I think this is part of an overall trend too. Buys are way down year over year. Part of it is UFC milking and also terrible marketing. They have an awesome product but their marketing and presentation is horrendous. Economy doesn't help, should go without saying.Chamber said:
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MMA |OT2| - Thread of Athletes, Fighters, Personalities, and Sports Entertainment
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Ninja Scooter
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AstroLad said:
I have seen more and more advertising by local and chain restaurants that air the fights now. Wonder if more people heading out to a bar or Hooters to watch the fight instead of shelling out $50-60 is having an impact?
ItAintEasyBeinCheesy
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Chamber said:
That would be part of it as well, next year will be worse. Even if you're die hard you would be mad to buy all the PPV's.... or just rich.
Ninja Scooter said:
Yeah. How much to pubs etc have to pay for each PPV?
TheKaeptain
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Ninja Scooter said:
That is what I do now. It's cheaper and I get to eat while watching the fights.
Spinning Plates
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Is cardsharing not possible in the US?
TheKaeptain
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Spinning Plates said:
What is that?
BigJonsson
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ItAintEasyBeinCheesy said:
I know the place I work in Ontario is charged 500 dollars extra to get the HD feed
Brian Fellows
Pete Carroll Owns Me
ItAintEasyBeinCheesy said:
My brother manages a small bar and it was going to cost them around a grand. That was for a place with capacity under 50. It would have cost more for a bigger place.
Host Samurai
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dream said:
Not to sound like a Pride fanboy or anything but the UFC's most popular stars are former Pride fighters. Shogun, Rampage, Silva, W.Silva, Nog etc. I know there are home grown UFC stars but Pride really knew how to make stars out of their fighters. Most of the UFC roster seems like generic redneck trailer trash. (Im not bashing just making a generalized statement)
Host Samurai
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smurfx said:
His popularity is mostly from being in the WWE. I would say that Anderson and Rampage are just as if not more popular than GSP.
can you make legit stars without cans?
I feel that adding cans as fodder in between and in the beginning has to help to get a "reputation" in being a killer. It ads highlights and keep you around being exiting.
The ufc is doing a great job in matchmaking fair matches but it also kills prospects early.
They killed Brian Stan, they killed Rick Story.
Now again, fine and great by me but it probably hinders the build up of a name.
I feel that adding cans as fodder in between and in the beginning has to help to get a "reputation" in being a killer. It ads highlights and keep you around being exiting.
The ufc is doing a great job in matchmaking fair matches but it also kills prospects early.
They killed Brian Stan, they killed Rick Story.
Now again, fine and great by me but it probably hinders the build up of a name.
Maklershed
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I can go with 'they killed Stan' but Story was his own fault. He fights a relatively no name guy who only had a day or two to prepare? Story should've been able to destroy Brenneman. Especially considering that was his last fight before a title shot.iddqd said:
sazabirules
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Didn't Brenneman accept the fight an hour before weight ins?
and he basically is the same guy Story is. Strong wrestling dude with power.
If you want to build up, you give him a striker with bad takedown defence.
Also, I think its pretty hard for certain types to refuse fights the UFC offers..
so they must have known he would accept.
There is always a big whoop- di- du if fighters dont take fights.
See Machida, see Fitch, see Franklin.
If you want to build up, you give him a striker with bad takedown defence.
Also, I think its pretty hard for certain types to refuse fights the UFC offers..
so they must have known he would accept.
There is always a big whoop- di- du if fighters dont take fights.
See Machida, see Fitch, see Franklin.
polyh3dron
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There is nothing I dislike more than going to a bar to watch UFC on their nice big plasma TVs only to find out that when the PPV comes on it's all stretched and looks like shit. They should make HD the only option for bars, they all have HDTVs.BigJonsson said:
Anderson was a poor draw for years until they started putting him on cards with other stars. Honestly, none of the Brazilians and former Pride guys have much in the way of drawing power despite being popular among core fans.Host Samurai said:
I do agree they do a terrible job of nurturing new fighters though. Akiyama lost to Chris Leben and was then given increasingly more difficult opponents in subsequent bouts.
Not surprised about the falling number of buys on the PPV events.
I've been pissed with the declining quality of the UFC.com streams, shit can get downright embarrassing in front of company. The Facebook fights will have fine audio and video quality with 30fps or at least no noticeable dip, and then the fight I paid money for drops to a slideshow and becomes unwatchable at times. It's already bad at 30fps, the lighter weight classes especially since they move so quick. Sports aren't meant to be watched at that frame rate. So, rather than drop $45 and feel like an ass for it I go to the tavern and pay $20 for a burger and two drinks while watching a flawless HDTV stream. Good job, UFC.
That, and people get more selective about their PPV buys when there's an event every other weekend.
I've been pissed with the declining quality of the UFC.com streams, shit can get downright embarrassing in front of company. The Facebook fights will have fine audio and video quality with 30fps or at least no noticeable dip, and then the fight I paid money for drops to a slideshow and becomes unwatchable at times. It's already bad at 30fps, the lighter weight classes especially since they move so quick. Sports aren't meant to be watched at that frame rate. So, rather than drop $45 and feel like an ass for it I go to the tavern and pay $20 for a burger and two drinks while watching a flawless HDTV stream. Good job, UFC.
That, and people get more selective about their PPV buys when there's an event every other weekend.
Host Samurai
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yacobod said:
That Leban loss was a fluke. Bisping loss was legit.
polyh3dron
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The Bisping loss was due to a horrible gameplan (if you could even call it that).Host Samurai said:
BamYouHaveAids
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Prior to Edgar Anderson was the worst drawing champ. He isn't anything resembling a draw.
BamYouHaveAids said:
That's why dana is smart and is going to book Sonnen/Silva 2. Chael will do everything to sell that fight and make it big. Smart booking and a good heel on the mic.
and now on to important things:
Cesar Gracie said:
BJ Penn said:
5 round war, none of the 25 minute GSP decision crap. The fans win
TheKaeptain
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I think you mean three rounds of a Caesar Gracie guy getting beat until he is submitted.
I still don't know who thought that if Akiyama couldn't beat Leben or Bisping that he would have a chance against a guy whose only loss in the past five years was to Anderson Silva. Chris Leben is frequently ranked a top 10 and Bisping a top 5-8. Belfort a top 3.
Which brings me to calling fighters a can. In this thread, yacobod seemingly uses it to refer to any fighter who isn't a top ten in their class but in many other places it's a reference to a fighter who's matched up to lose. They're sent to fight a clearly superior opponent to add to someone else's highlight reel.
I would agree with calling Akiyama a can if that's the definition. No one in their right mind could have thought he had a chance against Belfort.
Which brings me to calling fighters a can. In this thread, yacobod seemingly uses it to refer to any fighter who isn't a top ten in their class but in many other places it's a reference to a fighter who's matched up to lose. They're sent to fight a clearly superior opponent to add to someone else's highlight reel.
I would agree with calling Akiyama a can if that's the definition. No one in their right mind could have thought he had a chance against Belfort.
you don't think sexyama was being fed to belfort to build him up after losing to anderson?
i'm not sure how i'd define a can, but since you asked i think somebody outside the top 10 in the following divisions: bantamweight, featherweight, and heavyweight are probably cans or jobbers since these divisions are so weak. Outside the top 15 at middleweight. And outside the top 20 at lightweight, welterweight, and light heavy.
I also assume that anybody competing in Japan, i.e. in Dream, after the fall of Pride to be a can. UFC or bust at this point, it's why I don't watch the CFL when i can watch the nfl every sunday.
With that said, akiyama is totally a can, he could have been 0-4 in the ufc, he was gifted the decision versus belcher.
i'm not sure how i'd define a can, but since you asked i think somebody outside the top 10 in the following divisions: bantamweight, featherweight, and heavyweight are probably cans or jobbers since these divisions are so weak. Outside the top 15 at middleweight. And outside the top 20 at lightweight, welterweight, and light heavy.
I also assume that anybody competing in Japan, i.e. in Dream, after the fall of Pride to be a can. UFC or bust at this point, it's why I don't watch the CFL when i can watch the nfl every sunday.
With that said, akiyama is totally a can, he could have been 0-4 in the ufc, he was gifted the decision versus belcher.
Brian Fellows
Pete Carroll Owns Me
Host Samurai said:
How was it a fluke? That is how Leben wins all his fights. He gets beat up then he knocks a dude out.
I like what the UFC has done with Ryan Bader in UFC 139. Pit him against Jason Brilz in the prelims so he can get his groove back. Or lose and get cut. Either way it makes sense. Both fighters have lost their last two.
Same thing with Rick Story. He's fighting Kampmann on the main card, so he has a chance to get back into the game and in consideration as a top fighter. I have to admit I was really rooting for him (gotta love the local guy) but I have never seen a hype train so quickly derailed as his. Beat Thiago Alves and all of a sudden every commentator was talking title shot. Sucks the fight vs Kampmann is doomed to a decision.
Same thing with Rick Story. He's fighting Kampmann on the main card, so he has a chance to get back into the game and in consideration as a top fighter. I have to admit I was really rooting for him (gotta love the local guy) but I have never seen a hype train so quickly derailed as his. Beat Thiago Alves and all of a sudden every commentator was talking title shot. Sucks the fight vs Kampmann is doomed to a decision.
TheKaeptain
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Remember UFC or bust...
Unless your Diaz because beating cans means you're the best around.
Unless your Diaz because beating cans means you're the best around.
Brian Fellows
Pete Carroll Owns Me
CaptYamato said:
Heh
I was looking at Mayhem's record last night. It's pretty pathetic. His best win in the last 4 years is Tim Kennedy.
sien916 said:
I'd put the Bellator guys up against Strikeforce at any weight but HW.
The Faceless Master
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Anderson Silva was in Pride for like ... a tall cup of coffee and a bagel ... and went 3-2Host Samurai said:
Brian Fellows
Pete Carroll Owns Me
Chamber said:
Ok. I missed the LHW tournament so I'll have to take your word for it.
sazabirules
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Chamber said:
There are people worse than Cole "The Polar Bear" Konrad?
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