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MMA |OT3| When you lose you're a can, when you win you're unstoppable.

yacobod

Banned
Winner of Pettis/Cerrone probably gets a title shot by default since there's nobody else left with a solid win streak. Pretty funny considering where this division was last year with half the top 10 sporting 5 or 6 fight streaks.

Still think Uncle Dana and Joe Silva are nuts for not putting together Nate/Pettis while the Bendo/Edgar situation plays itself out.

I concur with your 2nd statement, but winner of Pettis and Cowboy shouldn't be for a title shot. Cowboy just got steamrolled by Diaz.

LW is just bogged down because of Uncle Dana and Joe Silva's hard on for immediate rematches. Were going to have to wait for the conclusion of Edgar vs Bendo 3 for fucks sake.
 

Chamber

love on your sleeve
I don't really see what choice they have. Guida just lost and pissed off Uncle Dana in the process. Jim Miller...is Jim Miller. Guillard is back where he belongs which is smashing cans on prelims. Maynard won't get another title shot this soon.

Eddie Alvarez is a wildcard but I doubt he would get an immediate shot. Wouldn't mind seeing him against Gray.

All this assuming we don't end up with Bendo/Edgar 3 of course.
 
i have totally been out of the mma loop for the last 2 months due to exams/travelling/nba playoffs - just read that dream is done!? when did this happen? any news on where the 'main' fighters are going - ufc, onefc etc? where can i read about what happened? although it didn't hold a candle to pride i am still kind of gutted, i actually missed the last nye show but i had been watching every event since dream 2.
It's sad but these things come and go. We now have Super Fight League and OneFC to give us great Bad MMA from Asia.

Always remember the sacrifices made.

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GungHo

Single-handedly caused Exxon-Mobil to sue FOX, start World War 3
Stupid next tuf rumor

Make them fight already, no need for tuf.
Sounds like riveting television. Having two people casuals never heard of should really help the ratings.

If everyone with a personality is telling Dana "no, I'm not going to be on your stupid TV show", maybe they should consider taking some time off of the TV show.
 
I think they should morph TUF into a kind of beginners league with a tourney structure. Get rid of the main coaches and bring in different coaches every month for each tourney round. Then you give a larger number of "established" fighters that casuals might not be familiar with more air time, you don't get tired of anyone, established fighters don't have to take so much time off or degrade themselves as reality tv stars, and you have dramatic build up to these unknown kids. Get rid of the house and just do short segments about their backgrounds.
 

Gr1mLock

Passing metallic gas
I concur with your 2nd statement, but winner of Pettis and Cowboy shouldn't be for a title shot. Cowboy just got steamrolled by Diaz.

LW is just bogged down because of Uncle Dana and Joe Silva's hard on for immediate rematches. Were going to have to wait for the conclusion of Edgar vs Bendo 3 for fucks sake.

The other shit about immediate rematches is how they drive a fighter's stock down. Nothing will relegate a fighter to mediocrity of eternal gatekeeper status faster than a riveting trilogy.
 
Two more days to 148. Whee!! Everyone better make sure to legit buy this one to show Dana we want good PPVs and not bullshit like 147.
 
UFC on FUEL 5 to Feature UFC Debut of Tom 'Kong' Watson

That's a nice signing, especially for the UK crowd. I assume BAMMA is dead.

Unless he was having an off night that guy has some of the lowest fight IQ I've ever seen. Even though he was getting demolished on the ground by Jesse Taylor of all people (who was on his back) Watson kept jumping into his guard and getting stuck. Eventually he ended up losing the decision. To Jesse f'ing Taylor.
 

Heel

Member
UFC inks light heavyweight Jimi Manuwa for UFC on FUEL TV 5

UK megaton. This kid is legit.



Unless he was having an off night that guy has some of the lowest fight IQ I've ever seen. Even though he was getting demolished on the ground by Jesse Taylor of all people (who was on his back) Watson kept jumping into his guard and getting stuck. Eventually he ended up losing the decision. To Jesse f'ing Taylor.

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on that one. He had some reasoning behind that loss that escapes me. Him ending Ninja Rua's career is still fresh in my mind. That was brutal.
 
the UFC not releasing 147 numbers is pretty telling. I can't wait til it leaks at sub 100k buys.

Yep. I think they know it'll be front page news for most MMA sites and they just can't stand all the negative press lately about their numbers being sluggish this past year or so.
 
Has Dana talked about it publicly, as far as what they were thinking? IIRC he and Joe didn't do the screaming after the prelims to get people to buy it, and then the post presser was in Portuguese.
 
Since my BFF Eraldo is in Vegas for Evo this weekend and I have to work Friday and probably Sunday I will either be watching at home alone or at Buffalo Wild Wings.
 

bone_and_sinew

breaking down barriers in gratuitous nudity
Not sure what my work schedule is for the weekend but if I'm off Sunday then I'll watch it at Hooters. If not then I'll watch it at a friend's house.
 

Chamber

love on your sleeve
Tass is right. Buyrate information comes from cable/satellite companies and other 3rd parties. I'm sure the usual sources will have them out soon.
 

dream

Member
“This guy is a crook. He is the scum of the sport. He doesn’t deserve to be in the UFC. He had problems with the American justice system. He had problems with banned substances. He is a moron. And on July 7th, I’m going to break his face. I’m going to rip all his teeth from his mouth.”

Anderson Silva

Two years ago, Anderson Silva and Chael Sonnen went more than 23 minutes in a fight that set a number of statistical records and ended up as one of the most memorable fights in UFC’s history.

Going into the rematch, the questions are, what can we learn, and what can the two fighters learn from the first match? The second question revolves around business. What can the biggest match of the year do with some of the best hype and build, yet aside from the core fan base, few will have seen most of the hype?

There is little doubt to the hardcore MMA fan, this is the biggest match of the year. But even with days remaining, it’s impossible to get a gauge on if it’ll do the elusive million buys, or even come close, because the type of people needed to draw those kind of numbers aren’t going to have seen the hype specials. Commercials for UFC 148 have played everywhere, so any sports fan who watches ESPN, or sports on cable, would be aware there’s a big fight this weekend, and may even have a vague idea it’s a rematch of a fight one guy dominated for almost its entire duration and the other guy won.

A big factor is how big will ESPN cover it on their sportscasts in the day or two leading to the fight. If it’s big, with lots of quotes, and treated as the major, or a major sports event of the weekend, that can make a big difference. ESPN has done that with major UFC events of the past, but that was usually when ESPN had interest in possibly getting the product at some level. Now, the product is in the rival FOX family until at least the end of 2018, which changes the dynamic. This is the biggest fight, by far, since that dynamic has changed and it will set a precedent, either good or bad, in how the biggest UFC fights get covered.

UFC 148 at first looked to be the biggest show since UFC 100. But the loaded lineup, aside from the main event staying intact, got largely gutted due to injuries, both to the show before, this show, and the show after. It’s also the first International Fight Week, the first of a planned annual tradition, an idea brought up at first by the Las Vegas Tourism Board. The idea was to give Las Vegas an annual major sports event that, depending on who you talk to, is either UFC’s answer to WrestleMania or to the San Diego Comic Con. The idea of a big show that in time becomes bigger in the culture than the genre itself. At least that’s the idea. This year’s event features a Fan Expo, pool parties, an art show, two concerts, a Hall of Fame induction, pub crawls and more. Next year is supposed to be significantly bigger.

The show also has a secondary curiosity event with the Tito Ortiz vs. Forrest Griffin III fight. The fight matches two of the best known UFC names from the era where the biggest audiences were watching free television. Both have strong track records as draws, but are past their primes and haven’t been difference makers for a while. Ortiz has only won one fight since the end of 2006, which is amazing when you think about it. But it’s being pushed as his retirement fight and that is a stronger than usual hook for a No. 2 bout. Love him or hate him, Ortiz has been one of the most recognizable names and faces in UFC for more than a dozen years. It was never more clear than when, for a brief second, time was turned back when he finished Ryan Bader last year. But with the benefit of hindsight, that wasn’t the return of the old Tito as much as one of those things that sometimes happens because of all the variables of an MMA fight.

If the Urijah Faber vs. Dominick Cruz fight had held together, it would be the most loaded show in a few years. But Cruz was injured and Faber’s replacement fight was moved two weeks later to save the Calgary show.

There were some tickets remaining at press time, but they were mostly very expensive seats. Make no mistake about it. Demand is high. At press time, there were only 284 tickets available on Stubhub, all at way above market value, and ridiculously small number for a sold out show.

There are closed-circuit locations all over Las Vegas airing the show, although no giant singular party that will have thousands like they had for UFC 100. The house was scaled for $7 million if every seat was sold at face value. To get an accurate advance for Las Vegas is almost impossible because you have tickets sold to the public and tickets sold to casinos. Tickets sold to the public were about $4 million a month back. The only thing regarding tickets to casinos were that with them, it was expected this would be the second biggest gate in UFC history, trailing the April 30, 2011 show at Rogers Centre in Toronto. Right now, the No. 2 figure is $5,441,290 for UFC 100. With casino buys, we’re told this will top that figure, not even including the closed circuit figures throughout the city.

But it’s really all about what most consider the biggest fight in 20 months, or history, depending on how you view it. In UFC history, there have been a few gigantic grudge matches--Tito Ortiz vs. Ken Shamrock II and III, Brock Lesnar vs. Frank Mir II. B.J. Penn vs. Georges St. Pierre II, Ortiz vs. Chuck Liddell II, St. Pierre vs. Josh Koscheck and Rampage Jackson vs. Rashad Evans. This fight will be added to this list. Exactly where becomes a matter of opinion.

It will likely not do anywhere close to UFC 100 numbers. Those other fights have ranged from about 775,000 to 1,050,000 buys, and that’s probably the range here. It should do bigger than Evans vs. Jon Jones, which to me fell just shy of making this list. That was only just over two months ago and the landscape and popularity of UFC hasn’t changed since late April. It doesn’t, to me, feel like Ortiz vs. Liddell or Lesnar vs. Mir. Evans vs. Jackson should not be as big, but it had two huge advantages, the grudge playing out over 13 weeks of the highest rated season of The Ultimate Fighter, and an awesome Prime Time series that drew record ratings, with more than 1 million viewers. Plus, there was an element of violent appeal to that one, even if it never actually transpired. Not that this fight doesn’t have it, but not as strong. But this is also a title fight, with the longest title reign and winning streak in UFC history at stake. By all rights, it should be bigger.

If Sonnen vs. Silva’s Prime Time show had ended up on FOX, which was the goal, that would have likely been the difference maker. You can read whatever you want about that deal not happening (FOX instead will be doing two hype shows this year, but only to build their own events in August and December). HBO and Showtime bent over backwards to make sure the big boxing hype specials were seen by as many people and in good time slots, but they also were partners in those PPV shows.

Whatever this show does on PPV, for those reasons, it will not have reached its potential. The two hype shows, both the 60 minute Countdown and 30 minute Prime Time show aired on Fuel, with some time buys on various sports channels, and with one post-midnight airing on FX on a holiday night. No matter how compelling the two fighters were in those pieces, and they were, the casual audience didn’t see any of it. My feeling is that virtually everyone who watches the hype show on Fuel already knew about the fight to begin with.

Still, this is a grudge match that has had two years to build and simmer. On February 6, 2010, in Las Vegas, Chael Patrick Sonnen became the mouth that roared minutes after he beat Nathan Marquardt to become the No. 1 contender. He shocked all of those in attendance at the press conference with his delivery and how strongly he challenged Silva, and he got more and more attention, and made himself more of a star, every week until building strong momentum for a fight that otherwise nobody would have cared out.

On August 7, 2010, at the Oracle Arena, and to borrow a Sonnen catch phrase, “Live only on pay-per-view,” the first match did about 600,000 buys. Silva has had title defenses, including his last one, that barely did half that. But at the end of the day, the awareness and curiosity levels everywhere indicated bigger numbers. The difference was likely that nobody actually expected that Sonnen would have a chance. Plus, people had been burned on three of the previous four Silva PPV’s, as Sonnen spent more time taunting and not fighting, while making fun of two of his opponents, and did little against a mediocre contender (Patrick Cote) who came into the fight on one leg.

Sonnen insulted Silva, the country of Brazil, the Nogueira Brothers manager Ed Soares and anyone else he could think of with crafted lines he either came up with, or modified from watching heel wrestlers of his childhood.

A few hours before the fight, the feeling was that nobody in UFC history had ever done a more effective job with their mouth in making a fight that nobody was going to care about into one that was going to shockingly be, up to that point in time, the most looked forward to middleweight title match in UFC history.

But it was also believed the clock was ticking. When the clock struck midnight, at least on the East Coast, the dream would end in devastating fashion and Sonnen would turn from the crowned, or clowned in some people’s view, prince, into the frog, with nobody to kiss him back. Sonnen would probably be one of those footnote challengers people talk about years later. Guys that weren’t all-time greats or anything, but one day they had their match with the champion. They didn’t necessarily do all that well, but something about the buildup made it memorable, whether it was their toughness, their uniqueness, or their willingness to go out their against a foe much better and die on their shield.

Maybe he’d fight for a few more years and people would always remember how for one day he actually talked people into buying a show and got them curious about a match that deep down everyone knew he could never win. And maybe it would be a springboard for a pro wrestling career. It’s not like significant players in WWE don’t keep in regular contact with him and don’t talk about his potential due to his verbal ability. But that’s talk for another day, plus, either he or they would have to figure out a way around the company’s rules against testosterone replacement therapy.

After all, Sonnen, going into the first fight, had a 25-10-1 record. He was good. He was tough. He was a very good wrestler, tenacious, but no better than a lot of other wrestlers in the sport. His striking was certainly not world class. And his submission defense was, based on results, lacking, and actually was the key thing that had kept him from winning several of his biggest fights. It was his wins over a stoned out of his mind Paulo Filho and out wrestling legitimate contenders Nate Marquardt and Yushin Okami that got him his match with Silva, not his verbal ability. But he was only supposed to be the next name on Silva’s already record breaking winning streak.

So whether he’s Ron Lyle, Scott LeDoux or George Chuvalo, for the rest of his life, back home in West Linn, OR, people around town would say, “Hey champ, remember that night?” and he’d smile and fake grin and joke about how he was once in the ring with the best fighter of his generation.

Few remember that Silva went into that fight as damaged goods, not as a fighter, and not damaged goods due to a rib injury, but as an attraction from the fights with Thales Leitis, Demian Maia and Cote. Nobody knew what got into his head. It was so bad after the Maia fight that Dana White was making statements like perhaps his next title fight would be in the prelims rather than on a PPV, because he didn’t know if he could sell a fight with him at that point. A few weeks before the fight, there was probably no more hated fighter in the UFC among the fans than Anderson Silva.

By fight time, that all changed. Sonnen’s promos took him from at one point being a cult favorite for the first guy who at least verbally would stand up to Silva, crossed a line, and he turned his Brazilian foe into the crowd favorite.

But something went very wrong, or very right, and quickly. Sonnen stunned Silva with a punch, and took him down. He started throwing punch after punch, battering Silva. The crowd that wanted to see Silva destroy Sonnen had changed its mind. All of a sudden they started liking Sonnen, because even though he was still going to lose, he was at least backing up his talk. He didn’t back down or mentally break. He took it to the champion and actually dominated the round.

But Silva lost the first round of fights to wrestlers before. The script was still familiar. The wrestler gets tired, can’t take him down, and they don’t see round three. That was likely what people were thinking, even though by late in the first round, the crowd solidly had switched allegiances to Sonnen. At first, it was just that the heavy underdog was putting up a good fight.

Five minutes later, after a duplicate round, Chael Sonnen saw round three. And he dominated that round as well. Then came round four and Silva started unloading. Sonnen couldn’t get the takedown right away, and Silva hurt him with punches. But Sonnen stayed in the game, and the flurry was short-lived. Most of the round was Silva on his back, getting pounded. When the fourth round was over, suddenly reality wasn’t what it seemed. It probably wasn’t until late in round four that most in the crowd actually realized Sonnen was going to win, and they wer seeing what would go down in history as one of the most legendary fights in UFC history.

At this point, Sonnen had won every round on every scorecard. One judge had given him one 10-8 round, another had given him two 10-8 rounds of the four. That’s how one-sided it really was. Only Georges St. Pierre vs. Jon Fitch and Rich Franklin vs. David Loiseau had ever won decisions that lopsided in UFC title history.

And the fifth round went the same. One of the biggest upsets in UFC history was only two minutes away. And then it didn’t happen. Whether Silva pulled victory out of the jaws of defeat, or Sonnen had a mental lapse depends on ones perspective, whether they choose to view success or failure stronger.

UFC has so many fights and finishes that few remember them a few days after they happen. That triangle and tap will be one of the all-time lasting memories of the early years of MMA after it got back on U.S. television. Anderson Silva is destined to go down as an all-time great, and the moment he’ll most be associated in his career is that triangle off his back, even more than the Vitor Belfort front kick, at least unless something even more memorable happens this week.

Silva had only spent ten minutes on his back in his entire career up to that point. In this fight, he was on his back for 20 of the 23 minutes. Sonnen landed 320 total punches, a UFC single fight record. That’s more than the total punches Silva had eaten in his entire UFC career.

But the only record that really mattered was this. No UFC fight in history had ever gone 23 minutes, and didn’t go the distance. In the 19-year-history of the company, it is the latest finish of a fight.

And then minutes later, Soares and Silva claimed Silva had gone into the fight with a cracked rib suffered barely a week earlier, and he was told by his doctor to cancel the fight. They claimed that was the only reason the fight went the way it did. Immediately, to a number of people, the first 23 minutes of the fight were discredited. Many tried to proclaim that as proof Sonnen could never beat Silva, even though he came 110 seconds from one of the most lopsided decisions in UFC title history. The number of punches landed didn’t matter because Silva’s face wasn’t cut, and at no point in the fight was Silva on the verge of tapping, or the referee close to stopping it. Suddenly, the fact it was amazing he didn’t win by decision meant that he could never beat Silva, as if a decision win isn’t a win.

While most of the world that saw the fight were thinking that they couldn’t wait for a rematch, Silva was saying that he won clean, which he did, and it’s over, which it obviously wasn’t. But the rib injury nullified, in a lot of people’s eyes, everything they had seen up to that point as an illusion, a dream, and even in the dream, Sonnen lost. And depending on what happens Saturday, that may be the correct way of looking at it. Then Sonnen tested positive, and it became a double illusion.

Sonnen had done something nobody else had ever done. Yeah, a few guys submitted Silva long before his UFC days, but nobody ever took him down and beat him up, round after round. But for those who don’t want to credit him for that, it’s easy to do so. You can say Silva had a broken rib and Sonnen was juiced to the gills, and Sonnen still couldn’t beat him. How Soares tells it, it was Anderson’s worst day and Chael’s best day, everything went right, and Anderson still won. The position domination, punching record, guard passes on the ground against someone with a black belt, outstriking the best striker in the history of the sport on his feet in most of the exchanges, well, the injury, the juicing, the triangle at the end, there were plenty of reasons to dismiss any if not all of it if one chooses.

Chael Patrick Sonnen’s best friend and worst enemy is Chael Sonnen. His best friend trains diligently, knows his strengths and usually works toward them. He’s an athletic overachiever. He doesn’t have blinding speed or super strength. He’s not great in any facet of athletics, and with the exception of wrestling, was never all that successful growing up in any other sport. But he was successful in a sport where mental toughness, conditioning and endless drilling in basics can pave the way to success against men who don’t sacrifice as much. His best friend has the ability to build up a fight like no other, and deliver a line with a level of conviction few can match.

But his worst enemy doesn’t know when to stop when he’s ahead, sometimes crossing the line to where he becomes so entertaining that people don’t take him seriously, or veering off subject for the sake of attention and diverting it from the goal of selling the fight. He has to say something to get attention every time he opens his mouth and there’s a microphone within sight. For every memorable line, there’s the ones where he puts his foot in his mouth and then, gets people hating him Then he makes them hate him even more such as when he claimed a tape of an interview where he put his foot in his mouth was made by a Hispanic guy, or when he, while under oath, told a story about a conversation he had with Keith Kizer, a man he up to that point had never once spoken with. He was able to somehow blame that one on his manager, Matt Lindland.

And he does understand getting people to hate him isn’t that bad a deal. People hated Superstar Graham when he was selling out Madison Square Garden, hated Roddy Piper at the first WrestleMania, and hated The Grappler when he looked into the camera and said, “Beat me, if you can” every Saturday night on Portland Wrestling. Hate among some was a good thing.

His best friend’s mouth is so good he can do TV commercials, be a successful real estate salesman and run for public office. His worst enemy thinks his mouth is so good it can get him out of any jam, no matter how deep. But it’s not, and today he can’t sell real estate or run for public office.

A few months after the fight, on a road to his rematch, he wound up with a felony conviction on a lending fraud real estate case. Within a short period of time, he lost his real estate license, his political hopes were over because of the conviction, and his fighting career was on the brink of extinction when he tested positive for testosterone the night of the Silva fight, and was suspended.

His worst enemy’s mouth made up enough stories in a hearing that he got his suspension halved. Even when it looked like he had outfoxed the system, he was still his worst enemy, because within minutes of his suspension being cut, he was branded as a liar. Eventually that led to another hearing. In that one, he went for sympathy. If he was suspended again, he was told by Dana White he would lose his job and his career would be over. Clinging to the “fool me twice, shame on me” proverb, the commission suspended him again. White claimed he never said any of that. Almost nobody believed he did.

His best friend takes him to the cusp of greatness. His worst enemy pulls the rug out when he’s finally about to achieve the big one that has always eluded him. It has happened every single time.

Whether it was the high school state championships, the NCAA tournament, the World University games, the Olympic trials, the WEC championship or the most thrilling UFC middleweight title fight in history, the story is the same. He’s in play the day of the big one. And he comes up short.

It’s hard to say who or what the real Chael Sonnen is. Life is a game to him. When nobody else is around and you’re having a conversation with him, no notebooks, microphones or cameras, he’s a completely different person, soft-spoken, charismatic, charming, intelligent, witty. He’s as good as any at analyzing the action. But his alter ego has made him enemies, whether it be fighters who don’t get what he’ s doing, people who actually take his words seriously, or those he insults for no reason, given he’s never going to be making money fighting most of his targets.

But you never know if he’s just putting on a different act. Is the one-on-one, “Now I’m not working” Sonnen the real person, or just a different mask?

I’ve been around Chael Sonnen a little in social situations, enough to see at least a different version of the person that is on the television screen. Once, minutes after he was suspended the first time, when he was avoiding talking to any media, he stopped and wouldn’t say a word about what happened, but wanted to talk about the Honky Tonk Man and his record setting Intercontinental title reign and his fascination with wrestling title histories. Of course, the public Chael Sonnen has no time for pro wrestling, even as he’s texting C.M. Punk or Gerald Brisco, or WWE officials are talking to him about his potential there due to his mouth when his fighting days are over. Ask Sonnen about pro wrestling at a press conference, and he’ll say he never watched it. He’ll say when he was growing up, his family didn’t have cable, and he’ll mention something about being a kid and being aware of famous boxers, but not wrestlers, from the 80s. Moments later, he’ll be trying to replicate promos from before he was born, by people like Superstar Billy Graham, that he memorized from watching on Youtube.

There’s only one moment that I’ve seen Chael Sonnen where I had no doubt he was not putting on a show and the mask was off. It was a few minutes after the Silva fight. Whether it was thinking about a promise he made to his deceased father about finally winning the big one, or just the realization of both how close and yet so far he was from his ultimate goal at that moment, he was legitimately devastated. He couldn’t put into words how it happened one more time, the same feeling, the same history repeating, only on a 10,000 times bigger scale, of the 17-year-old boy in the Oregon state high championship match.
 

dream

Member
In every big fight, there is going to be a loser who put in weeks and months of training till almost until you puke, giving up fun, recreation, their favorite foods, and hanging out with their friends and family. But this was different. Nobody in UFC had ever come so close to a lopsided decision win in a championship fight without the belt then being put around their waist.

But a few seconds later the mask was back on, and he was selling the rematch.

“In what world do I hit you 289 times (the original number that came out) in the face for 23 minutes and you wrap your legs around my head for a split second and I’m the loser?”

Somewhere along the way of selling the fight, he made Anderson Silva mad. Like real mad. When Sonnen said he expected to stick his head in Silva’s chest and take his prissy ass down and start swinging his fists for five rounds to win the decision that eluded him last time, Silva calmly smiled and said the first would end with a first round knockout. He spoke about Sonnen being carried out of the Octagon, with multiple bones being broken.

At the press conference four days before the fight, it was Silva who was Mr. Cool. He was making faces, joking, telling everyone play time is over. Sonnen was delivering his memorized lines, but looked nervous. When they came together for pictures, and had to be pulled apart, Silva put his mouth right up to Sonnen’s cheek, and either kissed him or whispered something to him, most likely the latter. Then again, at the weigh-ins two years ago, the vibe was the same. Silva got in his face and smiled confidently. Sonnen turned his head away, looking nervous. Sonnen then came in completely unintimidated, put Silva on his back and pounded him from the start, and came as close to winning the championship without actually doing so of any fighter in UFC history. Of course, even if he had, a month later he’d have been stripped of it and the match would have been ruled a no contest. Even if he had not fallen into that late trap, he may have been able to convince himself he finally won the big one. But the record book would have said differently.

No matter where the words used by both parties in selling the fight begin and end, the fight itself is not going to be an illusion.

It comes down to this. Silva is 37. Sonnen is 35. Both are two years older than they were on that first fateful night. While neither has lost since the last fight, Silva has looked better than ever in his last two fights. He most recently destroyed an intimidated Okami, who fought him once before, got a fluke DQ win, and then stepped into the cage already defeated. Okami’s fighting style is similar to that of Sonnen, not quite as good at the wrestling, but better at the submission awareness. He even trained for the fight with Sonnen.

Before that he used an all-time highlight reel front kick and finished a just as intimidated Vitor Belfort in his first move of the fight. On that night, Silva looked more magician than a mortal.

Sonnen came out of a long hiatus from his two suspensions and dominated and submitted Brian Stann, a mentally tough and disciplined fighter who has always had a tough time with high-level wrestlers. Then he fought Michael Bisping, and had a bad night. He got rocked, struggled in his wrestling, and got tired. The best description of the fight is that he escaped with a win in a fight that easily could have gone the other way.

Sonnen claims the guy who steps into the cage on 7/7 would run through the other Chael Sonnen that dominated Silva for five rounds. But part of the problem of always making statements to get people’s attention, whether they resemble reality or not, is that nobody knows which Chael Sonnen is talking. It’s not impossible that he didn’t lose anything athletically in two years, and trained harder and smarter, and comes in stronger and with fewer injuries. But it would be the exception to the usual rule. But the same goes for Silva.

The question comes down to who is closest to their athletic peak. Fighters can lose it overnight. It happens to everyone, all at different times. One day, you’re in a fight, your mind tells you to pull the trigger, and suddenly, you’re a split second slow on the draw and the other guy pulled the trigger faster and you’re on your back, when that used to be the other guy on his back. And you never know until that moment.

The story of the fight is simple. Can Sonnen take Silva down and keep him there? And can he do it for five rounds without getting tired? If he can, he has a good chance to win the title. Many people dismiss the first fight as if it never happened, because Anderson Silva is the greatest fighter of all-time, and Chael Sonnen is just a reasonably good fighter. But styles make fights and it did happen. If the two men who walked into the cage on August 7, 2010, fought in the shape they were in ten times that night, Chael Sonnen would beat Anderson Silva seven, eight or maybe nine of those ten times. Of course, in every case, the decision would still be overturned a month later.

But if he can do what he did the first time, without that momentary slip up, in his mind, even if not with his eyes, he’ll be able to see his father smiling. And then, every second place finish burning in a compartment of his brain, that haunts him, scares him and motivates him, from childhood wrestling to Paulo Filho’s armbar to Anderson Silva’s triangle will flash through his head in an instant. And then, in the next instant, they’ll be gone. Forever. He may put the mask back on in public, but when nobody’s around, he can have complete satisfaction that he really doesn’t need it.

But no matter what each would have you believe, they are both different fighters 23 months later. If Sonnen can’t tie up Silva, and get him down quickly, and keep him there, the first round he can’t do it in is likely to be a fast one for the spectators, and a long one for Sonnen. And this story, the one of Silva vs. Sonnen, will be over.

Until he wakes up the next day, puts back on his mask, opens his mouth, and begins his next chapter in entertaining some and infuriating others.





The company’s debut in China was officially announced for 11/10 at the Venetian Macao Resort Hotel’s 15,000-seat arena. It’ll be a Fuel show and not a PPV, which means no chance of Junior Dos Santos vs. Cain Velasquez there as was rumored when it was pulled from Toronto. That would seem to favor Dos Santos vs. Velasquez as the main event for 10/13 in Rio de Janeiro if it won’t be on the Toronto show.



The advance for the 8/4 show in Los Angeles at Staples Center is 6,000 paid and $600,000. Given what the lineup is, I wouldn’t be disappointed with those numbers. They want the network shows in the big markets, but the big markets are tough to draw in unless you have a big-time match.



UFC also filed a suit for the first time against individuals who streamed UFC PPV shows for the first time. UFC has filed a number of suits, and gotten millions in settlements, from establishments who would show UFC events by purchasing them as individuals instead of as a business, or stream them illegally, but they have never gone after the direct consumers. UFC had threatened for some time to do so, and people who streamed had scoffed at it saying it would never happen. The test case does not include names of individuals, but has a number of I.P. numbers of computers that they got from a lawsuit against a web site that hosted an illegal stream, and people who watched the May 28, 2011 and June 11, 2011 shows are being sued. UFC is looking at getting legal injunctions against people who streamed those shows, and in the suit is asking for UFC’s own legal costs to be covered by the defendants who injured them. Most likely, they are looking, like they do with establishments who have illegally broadcasted their events, for cash settlements that they would consider high enough to be deterrents. To my knowledge, UFC is the first company to directly take legal action against those who streamed their PPV events.



There is a legit rivalry that hasn’t gotten hotter between AKA and Greg Jackson’s camp in Albuquerque. There probably was underlying issues since both camps see themselves as the best in the sport, but Jackson gets all the pub, such as a recent article in Sports Illustrated. Then you had the Gray Maynard vs. Clay Guida fight where the feeling is Jackson created a game plan to attempt to steal a win from Maynard and it almost worked. A lot of the AKA guys were not happy with how that fight went. Luke Rockhold of AKA, who faces Tim Kennedy of Jackson’s camp on 7/18 in Portland, OR, was critical of the fight and said he hopes Kennedy comes to fight, and also noted that AKA has won its last two fights against Jackson’s camp.
 

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Tim Tebow has begun training with some of the baddest men on the planet ... men who revolutionized the art of hand-to-hand combat ... the legendary Gracie family.

In case you're unaware, the Gracie family basically built the UFC -- and badasses like Royce Gracie have destroyed countless opponents by using a special form of Brazilian jiu-jitsu created by his father, Helio Gracie.

Now, the New York Jets quarterback has joined up with the Gracie family at their headquarters in Beverly Hills -- where he was training with Royce's nephew Ryron Gracie and UFC heavyweight Brendan Schaub (in the grey shirt).

After the training session, the Gracie brother's tweeted about their newest pupil, "Everyone please give a warm welcome to the newest member of the Gracie Family."

Ryron also tweeted to Tim ... saying, "Your athleticism/intelligence makes teaching Jiu jitsu even easier!"
http://www.tmz.com/2012/07/05/tim-tebow-gracie-brothers-mma-training/
 

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Get that overrated scrub out of here.

No, not Brendan Schaub, I mean Tebow.

Brian Stann said:
"He’s the biggest star in England and with my background here in America, it’s just a fitting storyline going into a fight. Alan Belcher’s a fantastic fighter, he’s a great guy, but I just personally think the fight between me and Bisping would attract more attention," Stann stated.

Bisping decion imo.
 
You can only play out the American hero vs bad guy so far before it becomes offensive. British and Canadians are probably the only "safe" nationalities for us to pretend to root against on the basis of patriotism. He should really just play on the PTSD and other veteran standard of life issues if he wants fan support.
 
You can only play out the American hero vs bad guy so far before it becomes offensive. British and Canadians are probably the only "safe" nationalities for us to pretend to root against on the basis of patriotism. He should really just play on the PTSD and other veteran standard of life issues if he wants fan support.

It's time to turn Staan heel. Make him an Al Queda sympathizer like the WWE did with Sgt. Slaughter.
 
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