Maklershed
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I was gonna say it seems like the coaches of TUF haven't fought in ages but I remember now that GSP did fight Koscheck.
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MMA |OT3| When you lose you're a can, when you win you're unstoppable.
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Bisping/Mayhem was last season. I forgive you for forgetting it though. Still smh @ Mayhem.
Maklershed
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Ah yes righto. Mayhem looked atrocious for that.
Apparently we hate money and tourism.
polyh3dron
Banned
remember that one assemblyman that compared mma to prostitution and gambling and such? that high horse he was sitting on just got all 4 legs amputated.
polyh3dron
Banned
Apparently MMA Uncensored Live tomorrow will be breaking some big news FYI.
parrotbeak
Member
LOLbone_and_sinew said:
I think you might be getting a different kind of tourism...were there airplane gifs in the thread? I didn't read it, trying to preserve some innocence.
TheNatural
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Welcome to the final days of a lot of ultra conservative old politicians. They're like grim reapers with some last gasps of life before their pitiful political careers and lives are over. As more people from our generation get involved in politics this kind of stupid shit is going to end.
parrotbeak
Member
Yup, it's $10. I'll order it if I'm not at the Avengers.
http://mobileblackbelt.tv/
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2012/5/3...donate-entire-bjj-superfight-purse-to-charity
Yep. Trying to have the schedule up to date with mma, kickboxing etc. a week or so in advance.
Neither have I. Dont care, dont care to know.
20 Minutes with Chael P Sonnen
Check the video at 18:20 i know you guys are gonna love it.
Check the video at 18:20 i know you guys are gonna love it.
Foda beat up Kid? Also Lorenzo may not be worried but fox is THE company that cancels shit due to even moderately low ratings.
He is always a good laugh.
Wonder if FOX has an out clause in the contract related to performance. They can't be happy with the performance thus far.
Dagless M.D.
Member
http://twitter.com/#!/joerogan/status/200373581056716800
Looks like Chael is on Rogan's podcast on Monday, maybe he can shed some light on how aliens really build the pyramids.
Looks like Chael is on Rogan's podcast on Monday, maybe he can shed some light on how aliens really build the pyramids.
BigJonsson
Member
Hendo vs Jones September 1st in Vegas
Damn, I was hoping that would be the main event for Toronto =/
I guess this may mean that the HW title will be on the line for the Toronto PPV.......
Damn, I was hoping that would be the main event for Toronto =/
I guess this may mean that the HW title will be on the line for the Toronto PPV.......
polyh3dron
Banned
I'm surprised the interviewer was even able to ask Chael any questions, what with Chael's ballsack in his mouth.
Hmmmmmmmmm. I may be able to drive out for this motha.
BigJonsson
Member
ItAintEasyBeinCheesy
it's 4th of July in my asshole
RIP Hendo.
well dont post it!!
BigJonsson
Member
Dana tweeting it doesn't jinx it, MMA-GAF members saying they are going to go jinxes it
Dana tweeting it doesn't jinx it, MMA-GAF members saying they are going to go jinxes it
god dammit man
dream
Member
The story of UFC’s third show on FOX is not that the company finally had a top-notch show, but that they had a genuine XFL caliber ratings disaster.
The 5/5 show did a 1.5 rating and 2,418,000 viewers, peaking at 2.9 million viewers for the Jim Miller vs. Nate Diaz main event. Viewership was down 48% from the 1/28 show, which did a 2.6 rating and 4.7 million viewers. The show did 34% below what COPS was doing this season in the time slot.
Males 18-34 declined from a 3.2 to a 1.6. These are not the kind of numbers that can keep you in prime time. The prelim fights on Fuel did 88,000 viewers, which is barely more than The Miz vs. Santino Marella did the week before on Facebook (although the WWE number was worldwide and Fuel is only a U.S. number in limited homes). The fuel prelims on 1/28 did 144,000 viewers.
Even with the weak card, the UFC brand name alone should have meant something. It was the lowest rating for a network TV MMA show in history, beating the bottom mark set by Elite XC in 2008 for a CBS show headlined by Robbie Lawler vs. Scott Smith that did a 1.75.
There are plenty of excuses to go around, from the Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Miguel Cotto fight, to the opening of “The Avengers,” (which did $69.6 million on that night, which is well over 6 million people, a strong percentage in the age group that UFC is going after and ended up doing the biggest opening weekend of all-time), to NHL and NBA playoffs and baseball. And they are all valid to a degree. The one about Cinco de Mayo and people partying is not valid because Cinco de Mayo has historically been a great night for boxing, and in some parts of the country (the ones where it’s a holiday), historically for pro wrestling. And the show was not well marketed. FOX didn’t advertise it as hard as the previous shows. A lot of their advertising on baseball consisted of listing the date and saying “four fights,” not only not mentioning names of the fighters and the matches, but not mentioning UFC or even that it’s MMA, as you could easily have watched it and assumed it was four boxing matches. In addition, with the Mayweather fight, Kentucky Derby and all the other sports news, they got very little mainstream. I did know of fans who told me after that they weren’t even aware there was a show. UFC promoted the hell out of it through social media, and on its various Fuel properties, and it was just the latest example of how little in the big picture both mean today as far as garnering results.
The question becomes was this a one-time fluke, with all this competition, or was it due to simply presenting a lineup people weren’t interested in? Or is it something worse, a question that can’t be answered until 8/4, and that is whether MMA on network TV is a novelty with a short shelf life, just like Celebrity Boxing, which did huge ratings the first time out, but only lasted a few shows with ratings declining each time out.
The boxing is not an excuse, only because Manny Pacquiao fought Juan Manuel Marquez and did 1.41 million buys on PPV the same night as Cain Velasquez vs. Junior Dos Santos became, by far, the most-watched MMA fight ever in U.S. television, with the fight itself doing 9.5 million viewers between FOX and Fox Deportes.
Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer was saying after the Mayweather vs. Cotto fight that he believed the show would be about 2 million buys (keep in mind boxing promoters, like MMA promoters, say a lot of things, but the numbers are expected to be the biggest for any PPV since 2007 because of Mayweather, the date, and the ethnic mix of Cotto for Puerto Ricans and Canelo Alvarez for Mexicans). He said advanced orders for the show were the biggest for any Golden Boy fight in history except Mayweather vs. Oscar De La Hoya in 2007, and in some markets the advance orders were right there with it. Even if the real number is a little less, the 11/12 example would indicate that could be a positive. Dana White was promoting the idea of getting together with your buddies, watch free fights on FOX and then buy the PPV. While the PPV started at 9 p.m., the FOX show had an hour to itself. Plus there are DVRs, and the FOX fights ended well before the Alvarez vs. Shane Mosley fight, the other money fight on the boxing show, even started. I could easily see Fuel being down since there’s only so much fighting you can watch in one day, and believe me, I felt that first-hand.
If it was just an unfortunate series of circumstances, it’s no big deal. One rating isn’t going to break a seven-year contract that is still in its infancy. But the contact has had a lot of growing pains for both sides. No matter what is said publicly, FOX didn’t pay the money it did for the ratings it’s getting. And UFC can’t be happy that less people are watching the product than on Spike. The idea was being on FOX would create hundreds of thousands of new PPV purchasers for big events, rather than struggling to keep the fan base they already had.
If this is part of a pattern, it is a big deal. As it is, this was the single most significant television ratings for any pro wrestling or MMA event since Shamrock vs. Ortiz changed the way the television industry viewed UFC.
If the issue is that UFC has burned out its audience with too much product, and this is just an example of this, along with the TUF ratings, then it’s disastrous. The reason is, overexposure is a killer that it takes a long time to recover from, if you can. More so, overexposure, ie, burning out the audience, by the time you’ve figured out you’ve done it, the damage was done months or even years earlier. In network television, a show that goes from 3.1 to 2.6 to 1.5 in the ratings in three episodes has already had its future decided in the form of a guillotine choke. The only question is if it puts you out of your misery right away, or you are stuck there for a while before suffering the same ending fate. UFC is still being called on to build Fuel TV, but we’ve already seen the WWE version of Saturday night wrestling that doesn’t draw ratings and where that goes.
If that’s part of this issue, and it is at least part of it, this dates back to 2010 when the base television ratings of UFC on Spike started falling.
MMA has been around in Brazil since the 1930s, and gone through three booms, and it had a boom in Japan, and the end result is that in all cases, it never sustained. Now, there was never a UFC caliber organization and MMA is established at a certain level where it’s probably going to be around in some form for a long time. But Japanese MMA was viewed by far more people on television than ever viewed UFC or ever will, with some fights drawing upwards of 30 million viewers. And it still died a few years later. And while you can point to the Yakuza issues and they were the ones that killed it, the fact was, the audience was dwindling rapidly, and that is not what killed K-1, which is also dead in Japan.
It’s likely to wind up similar to boxing, where rank-and-file shows don’t mean anything, but big shows with the two or three major superstars can set records on PPV. But boxing has certain edges, including an appeal to those over 40 who didn’t grow up with MMA. It’s got a history, and the fact to people in the media a big boxing star is a sports superstar and a big boxing event is important. UFC is still considered a novelty to a lot of decision makers, although UFC fights are inherently more entertaining. But the entertainment value of a sport means nothing. It’s the importance people perceive it as having that means everything.
It’s been successful for long enough that it’s not a fad, but boxing isn’t a fad either and if you put a secondary show on FOX on Saturday night, it’s not going to last, That’s why boxing hasn’t been on network TV in prime time in eons.
To me, the 8/4 show at the Staples Center in Los Angeles becomes the single most important event in UFC history. Another rating like that and it will give UFC the reputation that it’s fine as a cable property, but it’s simply not mainstream and can’t survive in the expensive real estate section of network prime.
At this point, it appears the four fights will be Brian Stann vs. Hector Lombard in a five-round main event, likely with the winner promised a shot at the middleweight title; Lyoto Machida vs. Ryan Bader; Ben Rothwell vs. Travis Browne and perhaps Terry Etim vs. Joe Lauzon (that is on the card but not a definite for the FOX show).
In comparing, while Machida was a big deal for a short period of time, so was Josh Koscheck, who was on the 5/5 show. Stann is very popular, more so than Nate Diaz. Nobody knows Hector Lombard, the Bellator champion, but he’s still more marketable than Jim Miller. They are counting on Stann’s back story of being a war hero, and the fact he is such a great talker, one of the best in UFC, that he can get booked on mainstream talk shows, that Diaz and Miller couldn’t get on. But it’s not that much better of a lineup. And while Stann is popular among UFC fans, he’s not seen as a top tier superstar and has been around for years, and never on his own, whether it be in WEC or UFC, proven to be a draw. And UFC isn’t loaded with big-time marketable match-ups to add that will make a difference that are available in August.
UFC has gone from a heavily promoted Velasquez vs. Dos Santos fight, which would have been closer to a 4 rating had the main event not gone one minute; to Rashad Evans, Chael Sonnen and Michael Bisping doing an acceptable number and really the perfect card from a booking standpoint as you had two fights where the winners were given exposure to set them up to do big buy rates later in the year. However it was also a risk and both big fights could have been destroyed which would have financially cost the company nearly $20 million. Act III was great action matches that people didn’t watch. That is a terrible pattern. The 8/4 show will tell whether it’s just they put a series of matches people didn’t want to see on television, or it’s a pattern. The latter means the dilution of the value of the UFC name brand has already been done.
We did a poll, asking people who saw the previous shows and skipped this one as to why. There were a lot of different reasons, none overwhelming. Having no singular reason is bad, because that means there is no easy fix.
23% said they have lost interest in UFC because there are too many shows to keep up with. That’s people who were watching it just a few months ago and that is a very bad stat when that many make that call in a short period of time. 15% went to see “The Avengers.” 11% had friends of family activities that kept them from watching or they would have considered it. 9% skipped it because of what was on the card, a lower number than one would have expected. If anything, if I’m UFC, I want that number 90%, because that tells me I can get them back with a better card. Another 9% said they pick and choose UFC shows now and this didn’t make the cut, even though it was free. 8% said they lost interest in UFC due to the retirement of Brock Lesnar. 8% said they skipped it to watch the Mayweather fight. 7% said they would now only watch big fights, 5% said they were watching sports other than boxing that night. 3% blamed the weather. Only 2% said that they watched preview shows for the card and they didn’t get interested. Virtually nobody (0.2%) said they skipped the show because none of their friends wanted to see it.
With all this negativity, it was actually a very good show, and it looked to be that on paper. It’s well known that people pay to see stars fight, not see great fights. But it’s always better to have a good show than a bad one.
The main story of the show is that Miller, who had never been finished in his career, had no answer for Diaz. Diaz was able to avoid Miller’s takedowns, the key to the fight, and overwhelmed him with his fast hands and reach. Diaz finished Miller in the second round with a guillotine choke as Miller got desperate on a takedown attempt to earn himself a lightweight title fight.
At this point, Diaz is scheduled to face the winner of a Benson Henderson vs. Frankie Edgar title match, which Dana White announced officially this week would be taking place on 8/11 in Denver. Edgar had wanted to get his nose, which had been broken frequently, fixed, which would have forced the fight to be moved to September. Either way, that would mean Diaz, who said he wants to take a break and doesn’t want to fight until his title shot, being on the sidelines probably until December at the earliest. Anthony Pettis was originally going to face Henderson until Edgar outworked him in getting the title shot (there is an interesting back story as Pettis was first going to get the shot, but Edgar made a public plea saying he gave people rematches of close fights so he deserved a rematch that people bought; Pettis was warned that he needed to stand up for himself and go on the offensive, but instead went on a vacation and didn’t publicly campaign for the shot and thus lost it). Pettis is now trying to goad Diaz into a No. 1 contenders match with him.
Johny Hendricks also earned a welterweight title shot with a close win over Koscheck via split decision. The fight saw Hendricks win the second round and Koscheck the third, so it all came down to a razor-thin first round, that could have gone either way. Koscheck in losing looked far sharper than he did in beating Mike Pierce via close decision in his last outing. However, as close as I thought it was, the reaction was 61% for Hendricks, 28% for Koscheck and 11% had it even.
With Georges St. Pierre scheduled for November, most likely against Carlos Condit, Hendricks talked about taking time off because he wants to spend more time with his family. In other words, he wants to take a break and wait out his title shot as opposed to fighting again and risking it. If GSP beats Condit, I doubt he’d want to fight again until May of next year, so that’s a long wait. Plus, Hendricks in sitting out risks the big money potential of GSP vs. Nick Diaz, doesn’t trump him. And if Diaz’s suspension ends soon and he comes back and wins a fight, it is very likely Diaz will get the shot because UFC is in business of giving people the fights they want to see. GSP vs. Diaz is near the top of that list, and GSP vs. Hendricks is not. So Hendricks may have to wait until the end of 2013 for that shot.
The show drew 10,788 (about 9,000 paid) paying $1.1 million at the Izod Center in East Rutherford, NJ. It was far from a sellout, but this was the New York market and the New York market isn’t selling out for anything less than a top level card.
Bonuses for the night, which were $65,000, went to Diaz for best submission, Lavar Johnson for best knockout in his win over Pat Barry and for Louis Gaudinot vs. John Lineker for best fight. That was a tough call as Diaz vs. Miller, Roland Delorme vs. Nick Denis, Johnson vs. Barry and Alan Belcher vs. Rousimar Palhares all had to be contenders.
One thing that also needs to be mentioned is Joe Rogan was awesome on commentary during the FOX fights. You have to, at least in theory, call FOX different from PPV with the idea you have newer fans watching. In practice, you probably didn’t. But Rogan hit both bases, explaining moves while not dumbing down, and in particular did the best work of his career while Rousimar Palhares and Alan Belcher were trying different things on the ground. The show also did a very good job of promoting the Junior Dos Santos vs. Frank Mir fight, with strong commercials and video packages, and those were viewed by several million.
The 5/5 show did a 1.5 rating and 2,418,000 viewers, peaking at 2.9 million viewers for the Jim Miller vs. Nate Diaz main event. Viewership was down 48% from the 1/28 show, which did a 2.6 rating and 4.7 million viewers. The show did 34% below what COPS was doing this season in the time slot.
Males 18-34 declined from a 3.2 to a 1.6. These are not the kind of numbers that can keep you in prime time. The prelim fights on Fuel did 88,000 viewers, which is barely more than The Miz vs. Santino Marella did the week before on Facebook (although the WWE number was worldwide and Fuel is only a U.S. number in limited homes). The fuel prelims on 1/28 did 144,000 viewers.
Even with the weak card, the UFC brand name alone should have meant something. It was the lowest rating for a network TV MMA show in history, beating the bottom mark set by Elite XC in 2008 for a CBS show headlined by Robbie Lawler vs. Scott Smith that did a 1.75.
There are plenty of excuses to go around, from the Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Miguel Cotto fight, to the opening of “The Avengers,” (which did $69.6 million on that night, which is well over 6 million people, a strong percentage in the age group that UFC is going after and ended up doing the biggest opening weekend of all-time), to NHL and NBA playoffs and baseball. And they are all valid to a degree. The one about Cinco de Mayo and people partying is not valid because Cinco de Mayo has historically been a great night for boxing, and in some parts of the country (the ones where it’s a holiday), historically for pro wrestling. And the show was not well marketed. FOX didn’t advertise it as hard as the previous shows. A lot of their advertising on baseball consisted of listing the date and saying “four fights,” not only not mentioning names of the fighters and the matches, but not mentioning UFC or even that it’s MMA, as you could easily have watched it and assumed it was four boxing matches. In addition, with the Mayweather fight, Kentucky Derby and all the other sports news, they got very little mainstream. I did know of fans who told me after that they weren’t even aware there was a show. UFC promoted the hell out of it through social media, and on its various Fuel properties, and it was just the latest example of how little in the big picture both mean today as far as garnering results.
The question becomes was this a one-time fluke, with all this competition, or was it due to simply presenting a lineup people weren’t interested in? Or is it something worse, a question that can’t be answered until 8/4, and that is whether MMA on network TV is a novelty with a short shelf life, just like Celebrity Boxing, which did huge ratings the first time out, but only lasted a few shows with ratings declining each time out.
The boxing is not an excuse, only because Manny Pacquiao fought Juan Manuel Marquez and did 1.41 million buys on PPV the same night as Cain Velasquez vs. Junior Dos Santos became, by far, the most-watched MMA fight ever in U.S. television, with the fight itself doing 9.5 million viewers between FOX and Fox Deportes.
Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer was saying after the Mayweather vs. Cotto fight that he believed the show would be about 2 million buys (keep in mind boxing promoters, like MMA promoters, say a lot of things, but the numbers are expected to be the biggest for any PPV since 2007 because of Mayweather, the date, and the ethnic mix of Cotto for Puerto Ricans and Canelo Alvarez for Mexicans). He said advanced orders for the show were the biggest for any Golden Boy fight in history except Mayweather vs. Oscar De La Hoya in 2007, and in some markets the advance orders were right there with it. Even if the real number is a little less, the 11/12 example would indicate that could be a positive. Dana White was promoting the idea of getting together with your buddies, watch free fights on FOX and then buy the PPV. While the PPV started at 9 p.m., the FOX show had an hour to itself. Plus there are DVRs, and the FOX fights ended well before the Alvarez vs. Shane Mosley fight, the other money fight on the boxing show, even started. I could easily see Fuel being down since there’s only so much fighting you can watch in one day, and believe me, I felt that first-hand.
If it was just an unfortunate series of circumstances, it’s no big deal. One rating isn’t going to break a seven-year contract that is still in its infancy. But the contact has had a lot of growing pains for both sides. No matter what is said publicly, FOX didn’t pay the money it did for the ratings it’s getting. And UFC can’t be happy that less people are watching the product than on Spike. The idea was being on FOX would create hundreds of thousands of new PPV purchasers for big events, rather than struggling to keep the fan base they already had.
If this is part of a pattern, it is a big deal. As it is, this was the single most significant television ratings for any pro wrestling or MMA event since Shamrock vs. Ortiz changed the way the television industry viewed UFC.
If the issue is that UFC has burned out its audience with too much product, and this is just an example of this, along with the TUF ratings, then it’s disastrous. The reason is, overexposure is a killer that it takes a long time to recover from, if you can. More so, overexposure, ie, burning out the audience, by the time you’ve figured out you’ve done it, the damage was done months or even years earlier. In network television, a show that goes from 3.1 to 2.6 to 1.5 in the ratings in three episodes has already had its future decided in the form of a guillotine choke. The only question is if it puts you out of your misery right away, or you are stuck there for a while before suffering the same ending fate. UFC is still being called on to build Fuel TV, but we’ve already seen the WWE version of Saturday night wrestling that doesn’t draw ratings and where that goes.
If that’s part of this issue, and it is at least part of it, this dates back to 2010 when the base television ratings of UFC on Spike started falling.
MMA has been around in Brazil since the 1930s, and gone through three booms, and it had a boom in Japan, and the end result is that in all cases, it never sustained. Now, there was never a UFC caliber organization and MMA is established at a certain level where it’s probably going to be around in some form for a long time. But Japanese MMA was viewed by far more people on television than ever viewed UFC or ever will, with some fights drawing upwards of 30 million viewers. And it still died a few years later. And while you can point to the Yakuza issues and they were the ones that killed it, the fact was, the audience was dwindling rapidly, and that is not what killed K-1, which is also dead in Japan.
It’s likely to wind up similar to boxing, where rank-and-file shows don’t mean anything, but big shows with the two or three major superstars can set records on PPV. But boxing has certain edges, including an appeal to those over 40 who didn’t grow up with MMA. It’s got a history, and the fact to people in the media a big boxing star is a sports superstar and a big boxing event is important. UFC is still considered a novelty to a lot of decision makers, although UFC fights are inherently more entertaining. But the entertainment value of a sport means nothing. It’s the importance people perceive it as having that means everything.
It’s been successful for long enough that it’s not a fad, but boxing isn’t a fad either and if you put a secondary show on FOX on Saturday night, it’s not going to last, That’s why boxing hasn’t been on network TV in prime time in eons.
To me, the 8/4 show at the Staples Center in Los Angeles becomes the single most important event in UFC history. Another rating like that and it will give UFC the reputation that it’s fine as a cable property, but it’s simply not mainstream and can’t survive in the expensive real estate section of network prime.
At this point, it appears the four fights will be Brian Stann vs. Hector Lombard in a five-round main event, likely with the winner promised a shot at the middleweight title; Lyoto Machida vs. Ryan Bader; Ben Rothwell vs. Travis Browne and perhaps Terry Etim vs. Joe Lauzon (that is on the card but not a definite for the FOX show).
In comparing, while Machida was a big deal for a short period of time, so was Josh Koscheck, who was on the 5/5 show. Stann is very popular, more so than Nate Diaz. Nobody knows Hector Lombard, the Bellator champion, but he’s still more marketable than Jim Miller. They are counting on Stann’s back story of being a war hero, and the fact he is such a great talker, one of the best in UFC, that he can get booked on mainstream talk shows, that Diaz and Miller couldn’t get on. But it’s not that much better of a lineup. And while Stann is popular among UFC fans, he’s not seen as a top tier superstar and has been around for years, and never on his own, whether it be in WEC or UFC, proven to be a draw. And UFC isn’t loaded with big-time marketable match-ups to add that will make a difference that are available in August.
UFC has gone from a heavily promoted Velasquez vs. Dos Santos fight, which would have been closer to a 4 rating had the main event not gone one minute; to Rashad Evans, Chael Sonnen and Michael Bisping doing an acceptable number and really the perfect card from a booking standpoint as you had two fights where the winners were given exposure to set them up to do big buy rates later in the year. However it was also a risk and both big fights could have been destroyed which would have financially cost the company nearly $20 million. Act III was great action matches that people didn’t watch. That is a terrible pattern. The 8/4 show will tell whether it’s just they put a series of matches people didn’t want to see on television, or it’s a pattern. The latter means the dilution of the value of the UFC name brand has already been done.
We did a poll, asking people who saw the previous shows and skipped this one as to why. There were a lot of different reasons, none overwhelming. Having no singular reason is bad, because that means there is no easy fix.
23% said they have lost interest in UFC because there are too many shows to keep up with. That’s people who were watching it just a few months ago and that is a very bad stat when that many make that call in a short period of time. 15% went to see “The Avengers.” 11% had friends of family activities that kept them from watching or they would have considered it. 9% skipped it because of what was on the card, a lower number than one would have expected. If anything, if I’m UFC, I want that number 90%, because that tells me I can get them back with a better card. Another 9% said they pick and choose UFC shows now and this didn’t make the cut, even though it was free. 8% said they lost interest in UFC due to the retirement of Brock Lesnar. 8% said they skipped it to watch the Mayweather fight. 7% said they would now only watch big fights, 5% said they were watching sports other than boxing that night. 3% blamed the weather. Only 2% said that they watched preview shows for the card and they didn’t get interested. Virtually nobody (0.2%) said they skipped the show because none of their friends wanted to see it.
With all this negativity, it was actually a very good show, and it looked to be that on paper. It’s well known that people pay to see stars fight, not see great fights. But it’s always better to have a good show than a bad one.
The main story of the show is that Miller, who had never been finished in his career, had no answer for Diaz. Diaz was able to avoid Miller’s takedowns, the key to the fight, and overwhelmed him with his fast hands and reach. Diaz finished Miller in the second round with a guillotine choke as Miller got desperate on a takedown attempt to earn himself a lightweight title fight.
At this point, Diaz is scheduled to face the winner of a Benson Henderson vs. Frankie Edgar title match, which Dana White announced officially this week would be taking place on 8/11 in Denver. Edgar had wanted to get his nose, which had been broken frequently, fixed, which would have forced the fight to be moved to September. Either way, that would mean Diaz, who said he wants to take a break and doesn’t want to fight until his title shot, being on the sidelines probably until December at the earliest. Anthony Pettis was originally going to face Henderson until Edgar outworked him in getting the title shot (there is an interesting back story as Pettis was first going to get the shot, but Edgar made a public plea saying he gave people rematches of close fights so he deserved a rematch that people bought; Pettis was warned that he needed to stand up for himself and go on the offensive, but instead went on a vacation and didn’t publicly campaign for the shot and thus lost it). Pettis is now trying to goad Diaz into a No. 1 contenders match with him.
Johny Hendricks also earned a welterweight title shot with a close win over Koscheck via split decision. The fight saw Hendricks win the second round and Koscheck the third, so it all came down to a razor-thin first round, that could have gone either way. Koscheck in losing looked far sharper than he did in beating Mike Pierce via close decision in his last outing. However, as close as I thought it was, the reaction was 61% for Hendricks, 28% for Koscheck and 11% had it even.
With Georges St. Pierre scheduled for November, most likely against Carlos Condit, Hendricks talked about taking time off because he wants to spend more time with his family. In other words, he wants to take a break and wait out his title shot as opposed to fighting again and risking it. If GSP beats Condit, I doubt he’d want to fight again until May of next year, so that’s a long wait. Plus, Hendricks in sitting out risks the big money potential of GSP vs. Nick Diaz, doesn’t trump him. And if Diaz’s suspension ends soon and he comes back and wins a fight, it is very likely Diaz will get the shot because UFC is in business of giving people the fights they want to see. GSP vs. Diaz is near the top of that list, and GSP vs. Hendricks is not. So Hendricks may have to wait until the end of 2013 for that shot.
The show drew 10,788 (about 9,000 paid) paying $1.1 million at the Izod Center in East Rutherford, NJ. It was far from a sellout, but this was the New York market and the New York market isn’t selling out for anything less than a top level card.
Bonuses for the night, which were $65,000, went to Diaz for best submission, Lavar Johnson for best knockout in his win over Pat Barry and for Louis Gaudinot vs. John Lineker for best fight. That was a tough call as Diaz vs. Miller, Roland Delorme vs. Nick Denis, Johnson vs. Barry and Alan Belcher vs. Rousimar Palhares all had to be contenders.
One thing that also needs to be mentioned is Joe Rogan was awesome on commentary during the FOX fights. You have to, at least in theory, call FOX different from PPV with the idea you have newer fans watching. In practice, you probably didn’t. But Rogan hit both bases, explaining moves while not dumbing down, and in particular did the best work of his career while Rousimar Palhares and Alan Belcher were trying different things on the ground. The show also did a very good job of promoting the Junior Dos Santos vs. Frank Mir fight, with strong commercials and video packages, and those were viewed by several million.
polyh3dron
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I think Dave is going a little overboard on a card headlined by Jim Miller. I wouldn't say a pattern has been established yet. Also, I find it hard to believe that FOX would bail on UFC's prime time spot so quickly. They only do 4 a year. Bring the stars out and this problem goes away.
I agree with the underlying issue of oversaturation, though. Pretty soon "bring the star outs" won't be an option when the problem becomes "what stars do we have?"
I agree with the underlying issue of oversaturation, though. Pretty soon "bring the star outs" won't be an option when the problem becomes "what stars do we have?"
industrian
will gently cradle you as time slowly ticks away.
XFL bad? Good god.
TheNatural
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Well like has been said before, it's not just overexposure, but taking guys who could be given exposure on big PPV undercards and build them up there - but instead just thrusting them straight into a main event role on a card.
That's kind of like making an Intercontinental title match a main event on a wrestling PPV nowadays or something. Stann-Lombard isn't going to do much better.
I don't fear for the health of the sport or UFC, that stuff has been overrated. It's just more about how they're bungling a big TV deal by making too many cards and pushing fighters into main events who shouldn't be there yet.
ItAintEasyBeinCheesy
it's 4th of July in my asshole
I got a bag of War Heads mother fuckers!
Yeah sad to say a scrub like Kimbo will get a bigger draw than 95% of the current UFC roster.
Yeah sad to say a scrub like Kimbo will get a bigger draw than 95% of the current UFC roster.
BigJonsson
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Too bad they can't get Randy Couture to fight someone and hype the shit out of the expendables
Couture vs Kimbo on Fox. Couture gets a win, Kimbo gets a fight purse.
BigKaboom2
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King Mo to sign with both Bellator and TNA soon: http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/Fo...l-to-Compete-for-Bellator-TNA-Wrestling-42571
Now he can KO Travis Wiuff again.
Now he can KO Travis Wiuff again.
This is awesome.
AwesomeSauce
MagsMoonshine
I can't wait for the M'Pumbu vs. Lawal superfight.
BoboBrazil
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Will TNA pay King Mo a million dollars and have him come in and job to Garrett Bischoff in his first match?
industrian
will gently cradle you as time slowly ticks away.
Dixie Carter doesn't give 100,000 fucks what you think.
I'm actually curious to see if they work a better angle than WWE did with Bork.
BoboBrazil
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They'll do Kurt Angle vs King Mo. I've heard the Jeff Jarrett dojo has been turning out some good prospects too http://youtu.be/m6S2ysN5izk
BoboBrazil
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Heard some info his first opponent will be Sting.
polyh3dron
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lol oh my god as if the MMA and pro wrestling worlds weren't colliding enough before
BoboBrazil
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$20 says the do the monster shoot fighter coming in to destroy wrestlers better than WWE did it. Probably will start with Sting, destroy him, and build up to a match with Kurt Angle.
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