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Mobile Suit Gundam Iron Blooded Orphans S2TEKKADAN is MURDERERS, HAIL GHALLARJORN

That was a huge build-up-to-final-battle episode. But clearly this isn't the end. So... what's going to happen next week? The preview is pretty evasive. People are going to die for sure, things are not going according to plan. Is McDonalds going to die? Probably not. Is Orga going to die. Maybe. What will happen to Tekkadan? What will happen to Mika? Dum dum dummmm.

This is pretty much my thought. It's way too early for this episode so I'm expecting some, drawn out combat, a few back stories before deaths and some kind of unnecessary plot twist. Difficult to see where it's going exactly, something might possibly happen to have Kudelia be relevant in Gjallarhorn/Sociopolitical reform near the end though?

I'm not particularly against Tekkadan but had found it hard to root for them as protagonists, as I've commented before. At the end of S1 they had achieved what they needed to do and helped Kudelia reach her goals, were self sufficient and had nowhere they needed to go narratively. So for the whole of S2 they just felt strung along by events.

I'm glad to see that they are at least aware of it and there's a general acknowledgement that this whole thing is a fight they really didn't need to be in. Orga punching McGillis and semi calling him on his BS was satisfying.

Can't believe they are changing Vidar's design though, Bamco really are in a no-fucks-given-let's-sell-as-many-different-gunpla-models-as-we-can mode. We'll see what they do with the new one but Vidar > Kimaris for me tbh.

RIP
my hopes for an MG or even RG Vidar...

So Atra won?

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casiopao

Member
Even she realizes this shit is nuts.


Kinda amusing to me that others in Tekkadan finally took a step back and said "You know what, maybe this isn't the best idea." Like what the fuck is the end game goal now? Just to survive? That King of Mars shit is a dead dream now. I'm actually stunned Macky's plan was "Look I have the gold gun everyone will suck my dick now." and his only response when they said no was "Well shit didn't expect that."

Haha.^^ Thats the best moment lol. That Macky face when he sees all the other family giving him finger on not supporting him in his quest for power lol.^^
 

Ken

Member
Was McGillis' secret plan really just:

"Everyone must bow to Bael."
"No."
"Well poop."

This is going to end with Agnika waking up and taking over Fareed and then flying off for 5 episodes to wake up dormant Mobile Armors and then Tekkadan + Rustal teaming up to stop him right. 🤔
 

TheFlow

Banned
Was McGillis' secret plan really just:

"Everyone must bow to Bael."
"No."
"Well poop."

This is going to end with Agnika waking up and taking over Fareed and then flying off for 5 episodes to wake up dormant Mobile Armors and then Tekkadan + Rustal teaming up to stop him right. 🤔

yep.
 

Tecl0n

Member
you get a death flag, you get a death flag.

McGillis is off the populist chart, he even believes his own bullshit.


This is going to end with Agnika waking up and taking over Fareed and then flying off for 5 episodes to wake up dormant Mobile Armors and then Tekkadan + Rustal teaming up to stop him right. 🤔

oh god no.
 

duckroll

Member
Was McGillis' secret plan really just:

"Everyone must bow to Bael."
"No."
"Well poop."

This is going to end with Agnika waking up and taking over Fareed and then flying off for 5 episodes to wake up dormant Mobile Armors and then Tekkadan + Rustal teaming up to stop him right. 🤔

No. His plan actually makes sense. He is using the doctrines of the organization against themselves. They must bow to Bael, or they must admit that the entire system is a sham. He didn't expect them to side with him when he basically shoved his foot in their faces, that's why he has Tekkadan. The only ones being played are the ones who follow and support McDonalds. He doesn't even care if he lives or he dies.
 

Wuiji

Member
On a more serious note, thinking more about what drives McGillis, I find it hard to believe that if he seriously told them he wanted to reform Gjallarhorn, Gaelio and Carta wouldn't have joined him.

- He himself would have inherited the Fareed seven stars position,
- Had further political power links through marriage to Almiria
- Gaelio would have inherited the Bauduin position
- Carta would have been head of the Issue position (and apparently the most powerful f the families).
- thats 3 out of the 7 families with one of them being the most powerful of the 7.

So why betray instead of gaining the assistance of people who have been friends with you since childhood?

That can easily be answered now that the show has revealed his retarded master plan. He didn't do what you suggested because Season 2 McGillis is an idiot who believes in a fairy tale, and is shocked when he realises that other adults in positions of power don't believe in the fairy tale as strongly as he does.


His comrades have also shown themselves to be idiots, and have fallen into the trap of believing the stuff that McGillis has been spouting.


It's a damn shame because for a while there was a glimmer of hope that maybe McGillis *might* have some sort of awesome master plan, and all the cloak and dagger was just the beginning. Unfortunately his 'master' plan was "herp derp get Bael -> ???? -> profit?".




Season 1 McGillis would have just said, "No I didn't, he's still alive." Season 2 McGillis is too stupid for that.
 

RangerBAD

Member
Well, I think the whole fairy tale thing highlights how Fareed became broken at an early age. He latched onto it for dear life to escape the pain of being raped and was also suffering at the hands of his adoptive father. So he escaped reality. I think he's smart, but his traumas influenced his thinking so much growing up. That's my rationalization of his "Wha? But I am Bael's pilot!" moment. In his mind, he's doing the right thing. It's just that reality doesn't work that way. I'll point out that Rustal and Gaelio aren't really right either. I'll continue to emphasis the shades of grey this show is made up of.
 

MechaX

Member

Holy hell McGillis is getting way too gassed on his own hype.

And I am somewhat amused that his main plan was "I got Bael now (because of AV surgery actually, but I won't tell anyone else that), obey me."

I am going to laugh so hard if Bael ends up being fucking terrible outside of shenanigans (like activating every mobile armor ever).

Edit: Also, can someone screencap Chocolate Man's expression when his right-hand man interrupted him with his underaged wife?
 

Rymuth

Member
Love Rustal thoroughly dismantling McGilis' dreams both via broadcast and to Iok privately.

I'm actually stunned Macky's plan was "Look I have the gold gun everyone will suck my dick now." and his only response when they said no was "Well shit didn't expect that."
Rustal said it best: He's a broken child in a man's body (further adding even more creepy layers onto his marriage with loli-baudin) and as a child, he sees things in simple terms.

Orga punching McGillis and semi calling him on his BS was satisfying
Well, that's great...

Who do we look to, to punch Orga in the face and call him out on his BS. Fucking tool...

Was McGillis' secret plan really just:

"Everyone must bow to Bael."
"No."
"Well poop."
I laughed way harder than I should've.
 
So seriously, where does it go from here? What do they do with 6 episodes?

- The fight is gonna be pretty lopsided fleet wise, but Tekkahorn have 4 Gundams on their side so will obviously push above their weight.
- If both sides had enough named pilots then maybe the battle could last the full 5/5.5 eps with everyone getting enough time for 1vs1s - but Arianrhod only has Gaelio, Julia & Iok (and Iok isn't skilled enough for his combat to be worth significant screen time).

- Normally there would be some kind of super weapon that one side has that needs to be taken down - but they don't even have beam weapon tech so I doubt it here.
- Maybe they plot twist and have McGillis go legit crazy after fusing with Bael. Some kind of major downside and why they stopped the AV program after the Calamity war. Maybe too much time in it separates the mind from the body and you become an autonomous killing machine as bad as the mobile armours? I think this would be kind of a boring end for him IMO and too much of an easy way for the show to end.
- Maybe they plot twist and have Rustal say that they are going to crack down on Mars and the outer territories something something something, so everyone has to turn on him, but again that seems like it would be a boring end for him and a "too easy" way out for the show to end. And tbh, while Rustal has doesn't some unpleasant shit, he has always seemed like a smart leader and this doesn't seem like it would provide any benefits at this stage.

Will any outside forces come into play?
- It couldn't make any narrative sense for a recovering Teiwaz to get involved with Gjallarhorn's internal politics. Especially when McMurdo and Rustal have already come to an agreement to end the incident.
- The Martian force that supports McGillis are too far away, and it's unknown how the remainder of Gjallarhorn's forces will move (neutrality is probably best for anyone who isn't directly involved tbh).
- The colony forces that Nobliss was supplying have already been suppressed, so I don't see them joining in


One thing that could happen though, is maybe they aren't planning on ending it here. duckroll joked about it before, but maybe there is a film coming after. Maybe the "final battle" ends with heavy damage to both sides and Gjallarhorn weakened overall. The economic blocs push for independence and we get a timeskip where Gjallarhorn isn't in control like it is now. Tekkadan's success comes with unintended downsides like the end of S1?

Tekkadan survivors are doing what they do now and maybe plot is about Kudelia trying to lead some kind of political reformation for peace, idk.

The whole pacing just feels weird to me. Have we ever had another Gundam with a pre-final battle like this and so many episodes left to go? Maybe they are just gonna kill off everyone and want enough time to give everyone some time to shine before they do it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 

shintoki

sparkle this bitch
So Rustal is the hero now, right guys?

Anyways, I think the reason why they are starting early is the situation is going to change. Battle happens over an episode or two and McGills will have to turn, taken over, awakening an armor. Something is going to fuck it up.

Or possibly, they lose and the rest is survival. That would be the ending I would want. Probably too dark though.

And McGills is an example of an Obama without McCain. He's his own hype man now.
 

duckroll

Member
So seriously, where does it go from here? What do they do with 6 episodes?

Next week will be a big battle ep where things go wrong. 5 more episodes after that. Let's see...

46 - Fallout from the battle
47 - Survivors make their moves
48 - The final battle begins
49 - The final battle ends
50 - Long funeral episode
 

shintoki

sparkle this bitch
Next week will be a big battle ep where things go wrong. 5 more episodes after that. Let's see...

46 - Fallout from the battle
47 - Survivors make their moves
48 - The final battle begins
49 - The final battle ends Insert Kira Yamoto to save Gundam
50 - Flawless victory with half the cast revived

Forgot the most important part.
 

Defuser

Member
Calm before the storm. Time to make death bets.


Dead
Chocolate man
Chocolate man's right hand man
Rustal
Iok
Akihiro
Shino
Mikazuki(Absorb by Barbatos)

I don't see Gali dying because he already died once.
 

Rymuth

Member
Calm before the storm. Time to make death bets.


Dead
Chocolate man
Chocolate man's right hand man
Rustal
Iok
Akihiro
Shino
Mikazuki(Absorb by Barbatos)

I don't see Gali dying because he already died once.

Dead
Orga (shot by McG or his crony)
Akihiro
Shino
Ride
Chief Engineer
Gaelio
Julieta
Dexter


Alive but barely

Mika (paralyzed from the neck down)

Alive
Rustal
Merribit
Atra

Alive and sipping coconut juice on a beach
Iok
 
Was McGillis' secret plan really just:

"Everyone must bow to Bael."
"No."
"Well poop."
To be fair Bael wasn't the whole plan, just the last part - the secret plan was basically:
- Further the skunkworks AV tech that had gone out of favour.
- Encourage Gaelio to support Ein having the AV surgery to get the data.
- Use Tekkadan to take out Carta, so it can't be traced to him.
- Agree to marry Almiria.
- Use Tekkadan to discreetly discredit Iznario, so it can't be traced to him.
- Kill Gaelio.
- Usurp the political/military powers of 3 of the 7☆ families, and alter the power balance at top of Gjallarhorn (while still having a spotless record).
- Finesse the 7☆ council into allowing the fleet he usurped from Carta to operate freely outside their jurisdiction
(and into Rustal's)
.
- Use Tekkadan to make any other moves he can't, to keep him looking clean.

At this point, the end game for him was still using subordinates to instigate internal rebellion against Gjallarhorn's less savoury actions + obtaining Bael. The two together, with his previous spotless reputation, would have had him ascend without problems. No one would have any legitimate grounds to oppose him, and the ones who have chosen neutrality now would have no reason to do so.

What fucked him over, of course, is that Gaelio didn't die, knows all the shit he did - and is allied with Rustal. So his spotless reputation (and the benefits it would have afforded him) are gone out the window. Gaelio revealing himself during the Hashmal incident forced McGillis' hand and he's had to try and brute force the latter part of the plan in a way that would probably have worked, but can't now without getting rid of Rustal first.

Love Rustal thoroughly dismantling McGilis' dreams both via broadcast and to Iok privately.

Rustal said it best: He's a broken child in a man's body (further adding even more creepy layers onto his marriage with loli-baudin) and as a child, he sees things in simple terms.

Well, that's great...

Who do we look to, to punch Orga in the face and call him out on his BS. Fucking tool...

They should really go into what is motivating Rustal, he's as sharp, well respected and feared. While he also seems to have a capacity for understanding, nobility and brutality. In the abscence of an Agnika Kaeru type figure in Gjallarhorn now he is probably the closest thing to it. And it's easy to see why McGillis had sought to be above him. I'd even say that he is probably closest to what McGillis wishes he was, and that might be an additional reason why he dislikes him.

This episode did make a few good points that the rest of Tekkadan have been to dependent on Orga though, and that pressure is what made him keep going until they ended up here. He's been out of his depth for a while now and they should have just settled with the success they had obtained after the end of S1.

I'm reminded of the episode where you find out Kudelia is looking after their money because they don't know what to do with it. If they don't know how to deal with that level of success, what would governing of Mars really do for them? If anything, it's an authority that should probably go to Kudelia instead.
 

Principate

Saint Titanfall
The secret plan was basically:
- Further the skunkworks AV tech that had gone out of favour
-Encourage Gaelio to support Ein having the AV surgery to get the data
- Use Tekkdan to take out Carta, so it can't be traced to him
- Agree to marry Almiria
- use Tekkadan to discreetly discredit Iznario so it can't be traced to him.
- Kill Gaelio
- Usurp their political/military powers of 3 of the 7☆ families and alter the power balance at top of Gjallarhorn while having a spotless record.
- Finesse the 7☆ council into allowing fleet he usurped from Carta to operate freely outside their jurisdiction (and into Rustal's)
- Use Tekkadan to make moves he can't to keep him looking clean.

At this point the end game for him was still utilising a set of subordinates to instigate an internal rebellion against Gjallarhorn's less savoury actions and obtaining Bael. The two together, combined with his previous spotless reputation, would have had him ascended without problems. No one would have any legitimate grounds to oppose him, and the ones who have chosen neutrality now would have no reason to do so.

What fucked him over, of course, is that Gaelio didn't die, knows all the shit he did - and is allied with Rustal. So his spotless reputation (and the benefits it would have afforded him) are gone out the window. Gaelio revealing himself during the Hashmal incident forced McGillis' hand and he's had to try and brute force the latter part of the plan in a way that would probably have worked, but can't now without getting rid of Rustal first.



They should really go into what is motivating Rustal, he's as sharp, well respected and feared. While he also seems to have a capacity for understanding, nobility and brutality. In the abscence of an Agnika Kaeru type figure in Gjallarhorn now he is probably the closest thing to it. And it's easy to see why McGillis had sought to be above him. I'd even say that he is probably closest to what McGillis wishes he was, and that might be an additional reason why he dislikes him.

This episode did make a few good points that the rest of Tekkadan have been to dependent on Orga though, and that pressure is what made him keep going until they ended up here. He's been out of his depth for a while now and they should have just settled with the success they had obtained after the end of S1.

I'm reminded of the episode where you find out Kudelia is looking after their money because they don't know what to do with it. If they don't know how to deal with that level of success, what would governing of Mars really do for them? If anything, it's an authority that should probably go to Kudelia instead.

Pretty much. How exactly Gaelio didn't die is one of the biggest plot holes of the series. Not only should the blow have been lethal it shows an astonishing level of incompetence for McGilis to not have absolutely insured the dude was dead. While you could say it was just arrogance, this dude had been scheming for a long time now and literally everything else had been executed correctly. He should have been aware more than anything how much of a loose end Gaelio would pose.
 
Pretty much. How exactly Gaelio didn't die is one of the biggest plot holes of the series. Not only should the blow have been lethal it shows an astonishing level of incompetence for McGilis to not have absolutely insured the dude was dead. While you could say it was just arrogance, this dude had been scheming for a long time now and literally everything else had been executed correctly. He should have been aware more than anything how much of a loose end Gaelio would pose.

The fight itself was pretty emotionally charged, with all the beating Kimaris took, it didn't stop Gaelio at all. The only reason he would have stopped moving from McG's point of view was his "death" — tbh I've always just considered it as a combination of that and overconfidence on McGillis' part because he's used to all of his plans going his way. Also he was never really supposed to be there in the first place, so needing to get out quickly without being discovered played a part as well.
 

Taruranto

Member
Japan, the only place where you can make a point on how rape fucks you up and portray the pedo love romance as genuine the very next episode.

At this point Tekkadan's members aren't even characters, they feel like puppets that do everything Orga/the writer tells them.
 

Rymuth

Member
To be fair Bael wasn't the whole plan, just the last part - the secret plan was basically:
- Further the skunkworks AV tech that had gone out of favour
- Encourage Gaelio to support Ein having the AV surgery to get the data
- Use Tekkdan to take out Carta, so it can't be traced to him
- Agree to marry Almiria
- Use Tekkadan to discreetly discredit Iznario so it can't be traced to him.
- Kill Gaelio
- Usurp the political/military powers of 3 of the 7☆ families, and alter the power balance at top of Gjallarhorn while having a spotless record.
- Finesse the 7☆ council into allowing fleet he usurped from Carta to operate freely outside their jurisdiction (and into Rustal's)
- Use Tekkadan to make moves he can't to keep him looking clean.
Hm. Great job at summarizing it.

This episode did make a few good points that the rest of Tekkadan have been to dependent on Orga though, and that pressure is what made him keep going until they ended up here. He's been out of his depth for a while now and they should have just settled with the success they had obtained after the end of S1.

I'm reminded of the episode where you find out Kudelia is looking after their money because they don't know what to do with it. If they don't know how to deal with that level of success, what would governing of Mars really do for them? If anything, it's an authority that should probably go to Kudelia instead.
They've been hammering us with the point over and over with Merribit about how 'adults need to guide children' - Tekkadan's biggest problem is what happens when a child achieves the power fantasy, rendering the adults helpless to say no to you. They've essentially become that kid from the Twilight Zone who sends you to the cornfield if you make him mad.

Heck, if you wanna put more shade on 'em, they could've still gotten out of the game after avenging Naze. They could've consolidated with the rest of the Turbines and basically become a shipping company/escorting cargo ships - but no, it's off to a meaningless fight because no one has the backbone and tell the kids to get away from the steering wheel even as they're driving everyone towards a cliff...
 
Not much happened this episode, lots of death flags and Orga is looking like his gonna break down any moment now. ChocoChar's end goal doesn't look clear to me, unless Bael has some OP super weapon I don't know how his gonna make it out of this one.
 

Taruranto

Member
Merribit is an awful character, she has been repeating the same thing over and over for all season. But I guess half of the cast has been doing that at this point.
 
I feel like the only Tekkadan member that doesn't have this massive Death Flag looming over them is Hush and that's because his arc has been so lowkey all season.
 

casiopao

Member
Wait...

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Is that?

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Well...they used it first.

Haha.^^ And from the preview, it seems that weapon is going to bite back their ass lol. Shino is sooo going to bite the dust there.^^

Dead
Orga (shot by McG or his crony)
Akihiro
Shino
Ride
Chief Engineer
Gaelio
Julieta
Dexter


Alive but barely

Mika (paralyzed from the neck down)

Alive
Rustal
Merribit
Atra

Alive and sipping coconut juice on a beach
Iok


Hmm more or less close to mine lol.

Dead:
Shino(Next episode i think.)
Akihiko(All that next life talk)
Chief Engineer(Need something to break Merribit lol.)
Dexter
Hush pals.
Isurugi
Macky
Chad

Alive:
Mika(Inside Barbatos alive)
Gaelio
Rustal
Julietta
Iok
Orga
Atra
 
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Still behind but once again Ride survives, saved by Akihiro this time. I was so nervous when he was in another tight situation. Ride n Go is going so well, please make it to the end.

Fighting this episode was decent though kind of wanted more from Hush, he was breathing so hard and didnt seem to do as much work as say Akihiro or even Mika. Please improve.

Wish Orga wasnt so ruthless, show some mercy.
 

Shun

Member
Kimaris Vidar is very hot. Everyone buy please, HG will release in early March. Currently taking preorders at your local or online hobby store.

1/100 Full Mechanics will be released shortly afterwards.

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