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Modern Vintage Gamer: Four Days Later...Is the PS5 Pro REALLY worth $700?
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Speaking of Narrative Projection™.
DenchDeckard
(and
DarkMage619
who no surprise liked his post) arguing about "failure on the marketing of this machine" in multiple threads because he thinks "performance framerates at something like fidelity quality" can only be inferred as "60-120hz at high settings" by people. It's almost like Dench studied comments about the Series S and is repeating it in the hope it has a similar effect.
I distinctly remember some xbox user being disappointed about the Series S performance in some thread for a game that ran at 30fps, low settings along with the lower res and another thread about devs complaining about Series S being a pain. This user was complaining how the marketing from Jason Roland "just at a lower resolution" was essentially bullshit and Series S had to have drastic cutbacks beyond res.
Both Darkmage and Dench were attacking the guy in both threads :
Yet here he is trying to get a similar narrative going now for the best console by concentrating on a "marketing is misleading" narrative. Follow your own advice
DenchDeckard
and stop continuously complaining about something that wasn't said, in multiple threads. That narrative isn't going to happen. nobody expected highest settings at anything close to 120fps. Only something like fidelity quality on base PS5 now running at performance mode (60fps) on Pro and that's what's happening mostly. There are exceptions where it's better (like Capcom games) and vice versa. The threads for anybody who wasn't in them at the time. 1, 2.
Still think the Series S is a beast Dench or is that too embarrassing to admit now that the truth about the machine finally surfaced and those anonymous devs were right?
jm89
Member
What's wild is MS ended up removing the inside series s video where Ronald McDonald claimed "just lower resolution" for the series s.Speaking of Narrative Projection™.
It's almost like Dench studied comments about the Series S and is repeating it in the hope it has a similar effect.
I distinctly remember some xbox user being disappointed about the Series S performance in some thread for a game that ran at 30fps, low settings along with the lower res and another thread about devs complaining about Series S being a pain. This user was complaining how the marketing from Jason Roland "just at a lower resolution" was essentially bullshit and Series S had to have drastic cutbacks beyond res.
Both Darkmage and Dench were attacking the guy in both threads :
Yet here he is trying to get a similar narrative going now for the best console by concentrating on a "marketing is misleading" narrative. Follow your own advice
The threads for anybody who wasn't in them at the time. 1, 2.
Still think the Series S is a beast Dench or is that too embarrassing to admit now that the truth about the machine finally surfaced and those anonymous devs were right?
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Represent.
Represent(ative) of bad opinions
Cheap ass Americans 
Base PS5 was 700 here
Base PS5 was 700 here
HeisenbergFX4
Member
I said this many times here but this is the same Jason Ronald that was with a group of us in Discord watching the Road to PS5 and he laughed at how much effort was put into the PS5 SSD and he was convinced the Series X was winning every head to head matchup in games simply because of more TFs
Topher
Identifies as young
Speaking of Narrative Projection™.
It's almost like Dench studied comments about the Series S and is repeating it in the hope it has a similar effect.
I distinctly remember some xbox user being disappointed about the Series S performance in some thread for a game that ran at 30fps, low settings along with the lower res and another thread about devs complaining about Series S being a pain. This user was complaining how the marketing from Jason Roland "just at a lower resolution" was essentially bullshit and Series S had to have drastic cutbacks beyond res.
Both Darkmage and Dench were attacking the guy in both threads :
Yet here he is trying to get a similar narrative going now for the best console by concentrating on a "marketing is misleading" narrative. Follow your own advice
The threads for anybody who wasn't in them at the time. 1, 2.
Still think the Series S is a beast Dench or is that too embarrassing to admit now that the truth about the machine finally surfaced and those anonymous devs were right?
DavidGzz
Member
Yep, the same way I could have spent $2k on my PC, but I wanted to future proof it more and not have to sacrifice frames or visuals so I spent another $1k+. That's why I bought the Pro even though I owned the PS5eris S.
mayham2199
Member
This. I have a big back log with a long list of PS5 pro enhanced games.
Gambit2483
Member
Can you Trade in Your PS5?
Yes: Worth it.
No: ->
Do you have significant disposable income?
Yes: Worth it.
No: Wait for sale/PS6.
Yes: Worth it.
No: ->
Do you have significant disposable income?
Yes: Worth it.
No: Wait for sale/PS6.
sachos
Member
Man Digital Foundry makes everyone else analysis look amateur...
I really like MVG content but even him that is technical savy, what is wrong with his capture quality in this video? Some videos look super washed out like wrong HDR encoding and other super black crushed with blue tint like that The Crew video, or does that game actually look like that? Awful comparisons on that PSSR section.
Completly missed the Boost PS4 IQ enhancement because it seems he only tested PS4 Pro enhanced games (thats Sony's fault for not better explaining how the mode works).
Says real world performance gains are in the 15 to 30% range, and uses TLoU2 as worst case scenario example when it is actually one of the games that show 100% improvement (Higher than Base Fidelity IQ at double framerate).
No mention of HFR/Unlocked VRR modes like the ones on Stellar Blade, GoWR, Insomiac's games.
I dont know man, i think i fried my brain watching/reading people reactions to this thing.
I really like MVG content but even him that is technical savy, what is wrong with his capture quality in this video? Some videos look super washed out like wrong HDR encoding and other super black crushed with blue tint like that The Crew video, or does that game actually look like that? Awful comparisons on that PSSR section.
Completly missed the Boost PS4 IQ enhancement because it seems he only tested PS4 Pro enhanced games (thats Sony's fault for not better explaining how the mode works).
Says real world performance gains are in the 15 to 30% range, and uses TLoU2 as worst case scenario example when it is actually one of the games that show 100% improvement (Higher than Base Fidelity IQ at double framerate).
No mention of HFR/Unlocked VRR modes like the ones on Stellar Blade, GoWR, Insomiac's games.
I dont know man, i think i fried my brain watching/reading people reactions to this thing.
Sure you take a ps5 digital 1tb add 1tb nvme for 2tb total and it's around $530. $550-600 for the PS5 Pro yeah i could see that... 67% bigger gpu, PSSR hardware, 2gb DDR5, improved RT and wifi 7 for $20-70 more.
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Fatality.Speaking of Narrative Projection™.
It's almost like Dench studied comments about the Series S and is repeating it in the hope it has a similar effect.
I distinctly remember some xbox user being disappointed about the Series S performance in some thread for a game that ran at 30fps, low settings along with the lower res and another thread about devs complaining about Series S being a pain. This user was complaining how the marketing from Jason Roland "just at a lower resolution" was essentially bullshit and Series S had to have drastic cutbacks beyond res.
Both Darkmage and Dench were attacking the guy in both threads :
Yet here he is trying to get a similar narrative going now for the best console by concentrating on a "marketing is misleading" narrative. Follow your own advice
The threads for anybody who wasn't in them at the time. 1, 2.
Still think the Series S is a beast Dench or is that too embarrassing to admit now that the truth about the machine finally surfaced and those anonymous devs were right?
DaleinCalgary
Gold Member
God people will fight over anything here.
Nobody is making you purchase it.
Nobody is making you purchase it.
Ironman_Bad
Member
Look major releases all being crossgen pretty much just ended this fall and already games are stressing ps5 and series x...yeah we got a few patches probably slapped together in a few weeks, however next year we have games being developed totally for this generation alongside the ps5 pro so yeah today it's a luxury not a necessity but ask it again next fall and see what you say
Topher
Identifies as young
A bit premature. Jedi Survivor had issues even on PC. Pro ain't going to solve all the problems for every game.
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EDMIX
Writes a lot, says very little
ok...someone being slow and not getting hardware doesn't mean you should jump in with em
Sir, this isn't something that is based on hardware, this is software dependent. NO ONE can fucking guarantee what you are saying, it makes no fucking sense.
The hardware is not magically doing 60fps, the software is determining that perforce, thus, no fucking GPU you buy, no console you buy, nothing like this will state "LOCKED 60fps" or anything wild like this.
So a guaranteed 60fps? Thats crazy, so they know of every single last game that is going to exist in the future and know 100% all those games will be at 60fps? So....I can just make a game will millions of NPCs on screen and it will run 60fps?
I need you to think very logically regarding this so you understand why no one is saying this fucking weird shit. So I'm sure lots of people across the internet think this btw, that isn't really shocking, I'd expect it really...
That doesn't make it correct or smart or this deep idea sir, it means a lot of people don't really have a clue on how any of this works. All companies can do is market what the system can do, they cannot guarantee what all software can do as that is developer dependent.
To say this has failed in any regard, sir what fucking system or GPU have you ever heard released that has ever in its fine print actually promised what you are saying?
So look Dench, a lot of people are laughing at your post cause a lot us understand why the claim makes no sense, this is not really something 100% down to the hardware, this is something based on software in which no company can predict and magically state every game that will ever exist to make such a strange promise or something.
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Oppoi
Member
Dang it I just remembered I will get my choice of avatar for
DenchDeckard
on the 23'rd. What ever will I come up with that is the question.
DenchDeckard
on the 23'rd. What ever will I come up with that is the question.
Topher
Identifies as young
Dang it I just remembered I will get my choice of avatar for
What was the bet?
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Topher
Identifies as young
Oppoi
Member
Sony putting Concord on PS+ within 3 months.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Ah, that looks like sub pixel shimmering. Is Jedi one of the Pro enhanced game that's confirmed to use PSSR? Could be an artifact of the early days.
Topher
Identifies as young
He said that would happen?
EA's patch notes don't really say. Says it is being upscaled, but not how.
Hey there,
Today marks the release of the PlayStation 5 Pro, and as a result, we have announced that Star Wars Jedi: Survivor has received a series of exciting optimizations for the new version of the console. This enhanced version features a variety of graphical and technical improvements that make it a must-play experience for those who are picking up the console.
The Star Wars Jedi: Survivor PlayStation 5 Pro enhancements include:
-Visibly higher base resolutions in both Quality and Performance modes.
-Quality mode retains a 4K resolution and ray-traced elements but is now upscaled from 1800p to 2160p
-Performance mode now runs at a higher resolution of 1800p (upscaled from 1200p) and includes raytraced occlusion and reflections while continuing to deliver 60 fps.
We hope you enjoy diving into the full, enhanced experience of Star Wars: Jedi Survivor on the PlayStation 5 Pro. We’re eager to hear how you’re liking it - whether you’ve explored this story before or are coming into it brand new.
Thanks,
The EA Star Wars team
Star Wars Jedi: Survivor™ Optimized for PlayStation 5 Pro
Star Wars Jedi: Survivor™ Optimized for PlayStation 5 Pro
www.ea.com
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Oppoi
Member
That was the idea yes. Well *ahem* he was sure to correct me when I misquouted our bet once with the game going "free to play" but then funnily enough he tried to weasel out of it claiming the bet was off as Sony cancelled the game... (I'm being a good sport waiting for the 23'rd.)
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The Pro actually does exactly what you describe here. No more needing to worry about fidelity or performance mode with the Pro. FF7 Rebirth is all the proof you need but there are plenty more games as well.
It's a tad underpowered in the CPU dept, but really PSSR is the special sauce doing the magic here.
bundylove
Member
this is a good example of pssr fuck up.
I know we do t like this content here but you can see a huge difference between base ps5 and pro.
Jedi survivor has the same issue. Its like the whole screen is just shimmering all over the place.
bundylove
Member
Silent hill 2 and outlwas as well.
The worst paet is i cant even chose the base ps5 mode. I am stuck with the pssr version
Did the Silent Hill 2 ps5 pro update came out? I don't see it came out. Why are you posting a video of a game that dosen't have the ps5 pro update yet?
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bundylove
Member
It usses pssr for upscaling. No other upgrades for now. Store also shows pro enhanced
Problem is its already using pssr and the image shimmer is horrible.
Game was fine on base ps5 but i stopped playing to wait for the pro version.
There is no option to play it in base ps5 mode
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No it dosen't. There is no support PSSR or PS5 pro.
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bundylove
Member
Buddy i am looking at my screen here. I am not talking out of my ass like you
Sure you know more than the Silent Hill 2 dev and say it has PSSR that it dosen't say it's supported not even in one patch note.
Did i say you were wrong or that you are lying? That what you say is not true? About the shimmering ? I only told you the PS5 Pro support is not out yet only that. Why are you so salty about it?
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existensmaximum
Member
If only it was only €849 in Sweden I might have even considered it..
bundylove
Member
i wish i would know how to upload a gif of what i recorded.
Yes i know better than you cuz i am looking at it
BlitzerRadic
Member
Is it worth it?
Thats like asking is it worth it to get a M3 over a regular 3 series. Guess which one I own
Thats like asking is it worth it to get a M3 over a regular 3 series. Guess which one I own
bundylove
Member
Sure you know more than the Silent Hill 2 dev and say it has PSSR that it dosen't say it's supported not even in one patch note.
Did i say you were wrong or that you are lying? That what you say is not true? About the shimmering ? I only told you the PS5 Pro support is not out yet only that. Why are you so salty about it?
ZehDon
Member
I mean, no, of course it isn't. But my RTX3090 wasn't worth the AUD$[redacted] I paid when I bought it. But I didn't buy it because it was worth the money - I bought it because I had the money and I wanted it. That's the enthusiast hardware market - seems odd people looking to justify it after we already did this song and dance for the PS4 Pro.
Topher
Identifies as young
That's really the crux of it. Enthusiasts are going to want this just because they want the best. There really isn't any need to "justify" anything. But it will always be debated.
Topher
Identifies as young
I have something similar happening with Dragon's Dogma 2 on PC with DLSS. Shadows just going nuts. Thinking this is just the AI being confused from time to time.
Seems there are some games on PS5 Pro that have some growing pains.
Timestamped
Fess
Member
lmao kinda spot on, and soon enough we have 50-series from Nvidia, ARM entering the desktop space, next Xbox, Xbox handheld, Switch 2, Steam Deck 2, PS6 etc
And so those who don't have a PS5 and those who have a PS5 clashed in battle, they were joined by those who bought a PS5 PRO and those who refuse to buy a PS5 PRO because they already have a PS5, seeing a bloody battle PC fans decided to join the fight, because without them, no one will figure it out. And there was no end to this battle...
God, I love Neogaf
It also means no bad ports to series x anymore.
Fess
Member
Yeah, $650 for me. $1130 for the Pro with disc drive. As of today, worth it. No coil whine is like putting on noise cancelling headphones, so nice.Cheap ass Americans
Base PS5 was 700 here
SweetTooth
Gold Member
Its clear as day to me, some folks are threatened and want to justify their $5000 rig, others seeking revange for constant pounding by Sony for 30 years.
we keep winning mate
Alan Silvestro
Member
I'll wait for ps5 pro slim.
SweetTooth
Gold Member
RoadHazard
Gold Member
I would be fucking thrilled if I could buy a Pro for $700, instead of the $965 (equivalent) it costs here.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Plenty of people have the money to buy this thing. But if you watch the video and actually listen to what is being said. There are those that think a pro console should come with all the bells and whistles. The disk drive etc and that maybe the jump is not as big as what was seen with the ps4 pro going from 1080p to 4k.
It's not that hard.
Speaking of Narrative Projection™.
It's almost like Dench studied comments about the Series S and is repeating it in the hope it has a similar effect.
I distinctly remember some xbox user being disappointed about the Series S performance in some thread for a game that ran at 30fps, low settings along with the lower res and another thread about devs complaining about Series S being a pain. This user was complaining how the marketing from Jason Roland "just at a lower resolution" was essentially bullshit and Series S had to have drastic cutbacks beyond res.
Both Darkmage and Dench were attacking the guy in both threads :
Yet here he is trying to get a similar narrative going now for the best console by concentrating on a "marketing is misleading" narrative. Follow your own advice
The threads for anybody who wasn't in them at the time. 1, 2.
Still think the Series S is a beast Dench or is that too embarrassing to admit now that the truth about the machine finally surfaced and those anonymous devs were right?
Great effort. The defence has now moved to highlighting the shortcomings of a cheap entry level console that was designed for those who can't afford an expensive high powered console and it's ability to deliver a gaming experience but gimped due to its hardware choices for its price.
You are now trying to use this as a gotcha in defence of a PRI console that costs over double the price of a series s but at its current state shows similarities to that console in how it is delivering its experiences. As always you get all the likes from the guaranteed Sony crowd.
You guys can't take any genuine criticism of anything Sony.
Pathetic.
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