Modern Warfare 2 Will Render at 600p
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vocab said:
Fair enough.
I've been in cal-m for 3 seasons (though that was a few years ago), and have zero trouble playing at 1680*1050 with v-sync turned off. Of course, I have to use the usual: -noforcemaccel -noforcemparms -noforcemspd options to get rid of mouse acceleration, but beyond that, it plays like a dream.
I'm guessing it's mostly a hitbox issue then. I wonder how exactly it effects them.
LCGeek said:
Never owned an ATi card. Never had an issue with stability on nVidia at least, through TNT2, to GeForce 2, to GeForce 4 Ti4200, to GeForce 6800, to GeForce 7950GT, to GeForce 8800GT, and finally my current GTX 275.
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EviLore said:
Sure. Whatever.
I don't remember any of my experiences with COD4 on the Xbox as being "substandard".
But to each his own.
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TheExodu5 said:
I thought CAL was dead?
PS: I was CAL-I. Wooo.
TheHeretic
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NullPointer said:
Using a controller for an FPS, for one. Of course if you have no frame of reference its irrelevant, like drinking mud when theres an oasis over the other side of the hill.
Acosta said:
yes, and i love the PC threads because it's really helpful for someone like me who wants to jump in. but you go on to say they're not bragging. that's utter bullshit. of course they are. what you are proposing wouldn't be met with anywhere near the amount of flame. but what happens in reality is someone comes out and says, "why are you wasting money on that bullshit?" in regards to a console game and then spout of specs and benchmarks to drive their point home. i don't think they want to be helpful at all. i think they just want to be dicks. and again, it's their right to be dicks. let's just not all act like we don't see it right in front of our faces. a spade is a spade.
NullPointer said:
he means in regards to a typical PC gamer. which is correct, because to them console games are sub-standard. there's really no argument there.
After reading this thread it seems PC gamers on this forum don't think HD consoles shouldn't exist because everyone should be building cheap gaming PC.
Lets ignore the fact most console only buyers no NOTHING about PCs and lets ignore the sales figures were the console version out sales the "Superior" PC version by a landslide (in most cases but not all). Everyone just build PC's right?
Now i'm right here with the PC people, I pretty much by all multiplatform games on PC (unless they come out 6 months to a year later) and my consoles are for XBLA/PSN/Exclusives but I will gladly admit that consoles fill a very important gap for people and I certainly wouldn't call PC gaming a realm of supreme gaming bliss. Can't everyone just be happy we our getting a good game?
Lets ignore the fact most console only buyers no NOTHING about PCs and lets ignore the sales figures were the console version out sales the "Superior" PC version by a landslide (in most cases but not all). Everyone just build PC's right?
Now i'm right here with the PC people, I pretty much by all multiplatform games on PC (unless they come out 6 months to a year later) and my consoles are for XBLA/PSN/Exclusives but I will gladly admit that consoles fill a very important gap for people and I certainly wouldn't call PC gaming a realm of supreme gaming bliss. Can't everyone just be happy we our getting a good game?
jaypah said:
The guys going around saying "peasants" and "PC gaming master race" are likely just joking. That's basically become a meme, especially the master race stuff. I think EviLore's post hit the nail on the head as far as how these threads usually go:
EviLore said:
We should all be expecting more out of this generation of consoles for the prices we paid for them (and in some cases, re-paid), and the reason these threads often divulge into arguing is because the PC gaming side views the console gaming side as too complacent of these things (as well as stuff like egregious DLC). You'll have a console gamer on one side saying that he's perfectly okay with a technically inferior game, and when the PC gamer points out that it doesn't have to be technically inferior and that technical shoddiness should never be seen as some sort of given, they're labeled an elitist graphics whore. It goes something like this:
Console gamer: I don't care about graphics. CoD still looks and plays great at 600p.
PC gamer: That's cool and all, but there's still no reason to be content with being snuffed on an "HD gaming" promise when you're paying good money for these systems and your HDTV. All of these games should ideally be running at a minimum of 720p and 60 FPS.
Console gamer: Fuck you, selfish prick.
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RTYE said:
+1
nailed it
GTFO out of here with a "10 year cycle no new consoles until 2014" shit!!!!! Its amazing how much better COD4/CODWAW look on PC with everything maxed at a high res. Sad that either the 360/PS3 can match it as I would rather play MW2 on 360 because of the online, but the graphics whore in me has to lean with the PC version. Looks like we are finally getting to that mid cycle were current consoles can't keep up with PC's.
vocab said:
Sensitivity is about half-way.
I usually set my sensitivity so that one sweep across my 13" mousepad does a full 180.
I could be wrong on the 0.8. That may have been when I used a higher windows sensitivity. Lemme check. :lol
edit: looks like a full 180 across the mousepad is 1 sensitivity (roughly). Damn feels weird playing with a low sensitivty again. :lol I'd probably feel more comfortable at around 1.5-1.8 now.
vandalvideo
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jaypah said:
Technically speaking, sure. They're holding us back alot in terms of the graphical capabilities of games. This whole HD cockblock that consoles have instigated is really holding us back. That, and the wider audience demanding everything be one mut of an action genre.
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Zeliard said:
I'd like to meet this incredibly genial PC Gaffer. We need more like him.
Diablohead
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I personally dislike games which cut to a lower resolution as I can see it on my hdtv quite well, Halo 3 as fun as it was had much more of a pixelated look then most other games because it was 640p or something. But if the game is in my list of games to buy I can put that issue to one side, but I still dislike it, a lot.
Last COD I owned was the original only because an old friend played it in a clan on pc and I felt like trying it out, not my sort of game.
Last COD I owned was the original only because an old friend played it in a clan on pc and I felt like trying it out, not my sort of game.
Mutagenic said:
Resolution...maybe.
Back then I played at 800*600 though to maintain 100fps, so I can't really comment on the differences with my current high resolution and 800*600. If low resolution truly is better, I can only assume it's because long distance targets require less precision to hit their hitboxes when they're that small.
Mouse sensitivity though...most top players I knew of or talked to played with a really low sensitivity.
kamorra said:
More like
Console gamer: Please sir, I want some more.
PC gamer: get back in your place filthy console peasant!
Console gamer:
And yes, the console peasant and glorious pc master race is a joke/meme from Yahtzee's Zero Punctuation.
jaypah said:
Buying a good PC is nothing to brag about. It´s perfectly affordable for anyone. My concept of bragging is related to very expensive stuff that only few can have, but a gaming PC? I'm pretty sure almost everyone in this forum could afford a PC that plays MW2 at 60fps, 720p, and detail to maximum and V-Sync on. You could install it on your HDTV, buy the wireless 360 pad if you want and play from your couch, knowing you are enjoying the best visuals possible. What is there to lose?
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TheHeretic said:
I used to be a hardcore PC gamer, from the earliest id shareware days through shortly after WoW released.
Now I'm a console gamer (360 and PS3), use and love console controls, and can't even conceive of going back to my PC gaming roots, except for stuff like a truly amazing RTS or an old school epic simulation.
Believe it or not people can prefer the console experience, and don't consider the lack of the highest resolutions, mouse/keyboard controls, or classic server browsers to be an issue. At all.
People have different tastes and different comfort levels. Get over it.
jaypah said:
OK, that's definitely a fair point. Guess I missed that. But I'd say it only applies to current PC gamers who are into keeping up with the latest tech. Like I said, I used to be a hardcore PC gamer myself and I've got no problem with console games that take the proper advantage of the hardware they're running on.
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TheExodu5 said:Resolution...maybe.
Back then I played at 800*600 though to maintain 100fps, so I can't really comment on the differences with my current high resolution and 800*600. If low resolution truly is better, I can only assume it's because long distance targets require less precision to hit their hitboxes when they're that small.
Mouse sensitivity though...most top players I knew of or talked to played with a really low sensitivity.
I recommend higher sensativity. My sensativity is so high that the average person who sits down at my computer can't even click on a simple icon. Hooray for twitch shooting.
NullPointer said:
As much as the PC can do nowadays, this whole console experience is quickly devolving into a myth. Especially as consoles get more complicated, PCs get less complicated, and genres bleed between platforms.
EviLore said:
I've been playing PC games since Aces of the Pacific on MS-DOS 15 years ago, but I can no longer stand trying to play current-gen games on a PC.
Battlefield 2 was probably the turning point for me. I spent 250 hours playing that game online over two years. But I spent far, far more time trying to get the damned thing to run properly. Even all these years later, after countless patches and workarounds, I tried to play it with three friends, and not a single one of us could get it to work. Punkbuster errors, crashes to desktop, stupidly long "verifying client data" anti-piracy load times, and of course rampant aimbots if you actually got into a server. Just a nightmare.
And let's not even talk about trying to play Fallout 3 on my PC. It was impossible. The game was not in a playable state.
If console gaming this gen is a farce, then a farce is evidently superior to the alternatives. I could care less about having to play in 600p vs 1080p if I have to deal with the disadvantages of PC gaming to play the latter.
And of course, for a multiplayer game like Modern Warfare 2, the fact that I know 17 people who will be playing it on 360 and none who will be playing it on PC seals the deal. Playing with friends on a console is superior to playing with random mouthbreathers on a PC, regardless of resolution or anti-aliasing.
Zeliard said:
well yeah, just as most fanboys are joking. nobody takes this shit serious. it's all left in the GAF tab to me. but jokes or whatever you want to call them are trollish in nature, especially when you have people admitting to "loving it" when they stir up that console hornets nest. purposely shitting up a thread to aggravate someone else is damn near the definition of trolling.
Zeliard said:
where the hell is the guy from your example? we've both experienced GAF enough to know there's no way in hell that conversation is going to go like that. it's like an 80s sitcom where someone breaks a vase or something and then everyone get a chance to tell their version of the story and ends up frolicking with orphans in one example. alvin and the chipmunks had an awesome episode like that, with the piano. that was pretty rad.
Acosta said:
nothing to lose at all, i've given PCs enough praise in this thread. i even agree that every hardcore gamer should have a PC at some point. i'm confused as to what you're getting at in your post.
iceatcs
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60fps for win
enough said
enough said
TheHeretic
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NullPointer said:
Why does this remind me of the "I used to be an atheist" theist argument.
I'll never understand going from a Ferrari to a Hyundai, and am just as skeptical of someone telling me they enjoy the "Hyundai experience" more.
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vandalvideo said:
You may be very right. For me personally, we're not quite there yet. Standardized console hardware means I can have the expectation of a certain level of quality with the games released on them. Not every console game is properly optimized for the hardware, but enough are (thanks to devs like Infinity Ward, Criterion, etc.) to make it worthwhile.
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Acosta said:
Split-screen co-op modes?
Not trying to be snarky here. But I really do enjoy couch co-op gaming my FPS games. And until PC ports stop cutting splitscreen modes (Gears, Halo, Halo 2, World at War off the top of my head) they are sure as heck not going to pull me away from my 360 for FPS games. It like PC devs are not catching on to the whole "we can hook up PCs to big TVs pretty easily now" thing. Really do hope this changes soon though, as I'm looking to PC jump in sometime in the next year.
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NullPointer said:
Given the rumours spreading about NATAL60, that difference may just as well vanish too. Also taking into consideration the skus that console manufacturers love, and this whole concept of standardized hardware is practically gone. I mean, it is hard to tell if my PS3 can actually run a game without reading a disclaimer on the bottom of the box.
PS: My PS3 couldn't run Persona 4.
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Well I for one am shocked, a mediocre game with mediocre visuals has a sequel that continues the trend.
The resolution the game renders at is the least of it's problems.
The resolution the game renders at is the least of it's problems.
TheHeretic said:
Hahah, are you really telling me that you think you know what other people like more than they themselves do? You can't get any more irrational than that.
I've played PC shooters for over a decade, and now I can't stand playing a PC shooter. I was headshotting people in Team Fortress 2 and couldn't figure out what was wrong.
Then I realized: the sniper rifle had absolutely no recoil, no gun sway, no nothing. All you do is click on the head of an enemy and they die. It doesn't feel anything like shooting, it feels like I'm clicking a weblink. Then I realized that sniping in TF2 is a contest between who can click the weblink faster. After headshotting people 20 times in a round, it meant nothing. If everyone has super precise controls, those controls are no longer super precise, they're merely average. And of course the aimbot will own you regardless of how high your mouse sensitivity is. And yes, COD4 PC was absolutely riddled with aimbots.
Yes, the mouse is more precise. But after playing COD4 on the 360 with my friends, I vastly prefer it to the mouse and keyboard setup. Yes, a 360 controller doesn't feel anything like aiming a gun either. But it is far more comfortable and intuitive to me than a mouse is, despite the fact that I first began playing FPS games with mouse and keyboard.
I know that you'll probably just try to insist, again, that you know better than I do about what I prefer. But if you do, at least I'll know that you've proven you can't be reasoned with at all. I don't understand your mentality, people like you act as if PC gaming is a religion and your God has ordered you to convert as many console heathens as possible.
DOO13ER said:
jaypah said:
Man, we're everywhere.
Honestly, there are snarky comments that come from some PC gamers, but the vast majority I've seen around here try to be helpful and tend to be given some pretty ill treatment in response. You had brain_stew a short while back take what had to be quite a bit of his own personal time to create a thread helping people put together a good $400 rig, only to be attacked by some console gamers in that same thread for trying to "force PC gaming on people."
I forget who it was (sorry), but whoever made that HTPC thread recently also did it for the sole purpose of helping console (and otherwise) gamers be able to play PC games from their couch and all sorts of other cool stuff, and he got a similar sort of treatment from console gamers who were puzzingly in paranoia-defense mode. A lot of the times it'll be something much smaller and simpler than those two examples, but a similar sort of end result (often involving the word "elitist").
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TheHeretic said:
Do a search (try "comfy couch") and you can find plenty of explanations for people who've switched from PCs to consoles. I don't really want to go down that route too far.
For me, moving the center of my entertainment from the PC and desk to the living room, HDTV, and console made my whole place far more inviting and pleasant. Now I know there are plenty of ways to get PCs into the comfy couch living room as media servers, but I don't want to bother with most of them. The Xbox and PS3 work right out of the box with completely streamlined experiences.
It works, for me. But you don't see me screaming from the hilltops about how utterly correct my choice is.
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Asmodai said:
I own all the consoles, and whilst I probably am a Zealot its only because consoles have gone from being of their own segment to being watered down PC's. They aren't easy to use anymore and treat standards that have been around for years as an opportunity to siphon credit cards for all they are worth. Paying $50 a year for an online game with no dedicated servers and no server screen at all is a joke and only flys on the consoles because people don't know any better. Developer support isn't about extending the life of a game anymore, and paying for maps is utter bullshit.
And yes, I can't envision playing a competitive FPS with a controller. Even in a casual sense the games use auto-aim most of the time: the game is aiming for you to make up for the fact that the controls are shit.
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2 Minutes Turkish said:Technically, this only matters to people playing this game on a 1080p screen (which as of a month ago, I now am
CoD4 looked amazing on my 3 year old Bravia in 720p, but looks like ass upscaled to the shit on a 1080p screen. Blurry jaggy mess.
No offense but if CoD4 looked like a blurry mess on your HDTV then you need a better TV, your scaler sucks. No one even noticed CoD4's resolution before it was pointed out by Beyond 3D, it wasn't like Halo3 or other games that could tell right away something was up.
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ha.SecretBonusPoint said:
Asmodai said:
People don't just get headshots because they feel like it. I'm sick of that sorry excuse of an argument. The genre is how many years old full of hardcores especially TF who have time to hone their aim and add it to a precise device. I never seen a forum when precision was actually used a downer of a platform, especially this genre. Don't pub if you want to see skill in PC fps go to leagues, lans, pugs, and scrims because you will find out quickly aim doesn't replace strategy. Not all mice track equally as well you make it sound like someone can walk in to a store pick up a decent high dpi mouse and start owning when that isn't the case at all.
Sounds overall like you have shitty experiences and found your zone. There is nothing intuitive about DA or KB&M style aim.
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NullPointer said:
Theres no universal truth about any of this, and whatever works for you is obviously what you are going to do. Beyond the reasoning of the argument I have no reason or concern about what a persons decision is, as long as its informed.
But pointing out the flaw in your own argument hardly does it any favours. I'm all for streamlining, its why I own an iPhone and a Mac, but not at the expense of functionality. What those platforms have in common is that the closed nature of them works to their advantage. Losing control over my platform for convenience isn't a sacrifice i'm willing to make considering unless the rewards are great, and on the consoles, they aren't.
As I use all of them putting the disc in and playing as a convinience isn't worth all the other sacrifices, and I think thats pretty definitive.
when did people get so acceptable of lowered standards? I mean it's okay to like a game, but do you really have to make excuses for it?
"Oh, it's okay, that it's not like this, as long as it has this"
I mean...to each their own, but still, you should expect BETTER...
600p 60fps might be fine back in 2007...but in 2009? I unno. Maybe that's why I thought the trailer just looks the same as CoD4. It looked amazing 2 years ago. Now...not so much.
Here's hoping in the next 3 months it'll get a graphics upgrade
"Oh, it's okay, that it's not like this, as long as it has this"
I mean...to each their own, but still, you should expect BETTER...
600p 60fps might be fine back in 2007...but in 2009? I unno. Maybe that's why I thought the trailer just looks the same as CoD4. It looked amazing 2 years ago. Now...not so much.
Here's hoping in the next 3 months it'll get a graphics upgrade
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EviLore said:
Put down your arms gentlemen, the thread ended a few pages ago.