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Modern Warfare 2 Will Render at 600p

vandalvideo said:
There is a significant difference between scaling up an image using blowing up and actually re rendering the image at a higher resolution.

Thats true, but its still a lesser of two evils.
 
TheHeretic said:
Most HD TV's run at 1080P, which means 720p is simply an excuse to claim any sort of HD functionality at all. 1080P is just over 2 million pixels, 720P is less than half that. This isn't just pointless number crunching, blowing up an image does horrendous things to its quality.

Dude, do you still fail to see the simple point in that a whole bunch of people(read:millions) don't care about the number of pixels, resolution, or any other technical jargon, so long as it looks good enough to them?

If you have a problem with how MW2 looks on consoles, (which is pointless, given that you're obviously a PC gamer, you shouldn't care at all how console games look or run), then you would have more of a problem with basically every other console game ever made, since almost all of them look and run much worse than COD4, never mind MW2.

I honestly can't understand why it is so hard to explain to some graphic whores that yes, good visuals are nice, but they are not the sole factor involved with playing games.
 
Rorschach said:
This is what people don't understand. PC is all graphics (yawn), but the 360 version will be an experience. You can play a game (with inferior controls and a small screen) or you can experience an adventure. Your choice. And the graphics on PC aren't even noticeable. FPS and pixel counting? Who's gonna be doing that? I guess bored PC "gamers." I'll be too busy being immersed in the battlefield.
yup, I'm also getting the 360 version for the 13 year olds calling me the n word
 
Asmodai said:
This is where we disagree.

Games are not objective, or else I would prefer playing PC games if they are superior in all respects, as would everyone else. Even if I was the only person on the entire planet who didn't prefer playing PC games, my existence alone proves that it is subjective and not an objective quantity.

As for ease of use, PC gaming in my experience, across over 15 years and at least five separate PCs, has been anything but easy to use. Of course, it has become much worse in recent years, which is why I play with PCs less and less.

PCs and consoles have their respective advantages and disadvantages, both of which will influence us based on our personal preferences. One person likes the precision of a mouse and keyboard, the other finds it unintuitive and prefers something else.

What is a disadvantage to one person might mean nothing to another.

But one thing is certain: no input method can be objectively deemed to be superior.

Steam has universally made PC gaming easier, I don't see how PC gaming was easier 10 years ago than it is today. Components were a lot more expensive and there was no unified system at all really until xfire, which was just a glorified friends tracker.

The level of precision with a mouse is objectively better than that of a controller. FPS games are just a showcase for this. You can argue for quite a few genres that controllers are superior, but not FPS games.

Asmodai said:
Dude, do you still fail to see the simple point in that a whole bunch of people(read:millions) don't care about the number of pixels, resolution, or any other technical jargon, so long as it looks good enough to them?

I thought this was a gaming enthusiast forum. You know, people who actually learn about video games and how they work?
 
TheHeretic said:
Steam has universally made PC gaming easier, I don't see how PC gaming was easier 10 years ago than it is today. Components were a lot more expensive and there was no unified system at all really until xfire, which was just a glorified friends tracker.

The level of precision with a mouse is objectively better than that of a controller. FPS games are just a showcase for this. You can argue for quite a few genres that controllers are superior, but not FPS games.
why is it that people forget that you can use a controller to play pc games?
 
Rorschach said:
This is what people don't understand. PC is all graphics (yawn), but the 360 version will be an experience. You can play a game (with inferior controls and a small screen) or you can experience an adventure. Your choice. And the graphics on PC aren't even noticeable. FPS and pixel counting? Who's gonna be doing that? I guess bored PC "gamers." I'll be too busy being immersed in the battlefield.
Experience an adventure?
 
Guled said:
yup, I'm also getting the 360 version for the 13 year olds calling me the n word
Hey, you'll probably hear that on the battlefield in real life. It's not gonna be like on PC where everyone's quiet because they can't afford 100 dollar PC mics, they don't know how to set them up, or their voice is too high pitched to be recognized by modern microphone technology.

Mutagenic said:
Experience an adventure?
I know it's a new concept for PC fans sitting, hunched over in front of your 13 inch monitor with dinky stereo speakers.
 
Guled said:
why is it that people forget that you could use a controller to play pc games?

You............can't.........now?

-_-

Rorschach said:
I know it's a new concept for PC fans sitting, hunched over in front of your 13 inch monitor with dinky stereo speakers.

*Stares at his big screen HDTV that his PC is hooked up to and the AIrflo controller in his hands*

LULWUT?
 
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TheHeretic said:
The level of precision with a mouse is objectively better than that of a controller. FPS games are just a showcase for this. You can argue for quite a few genres that controllers are superior, but not FPS games.

Ooh, I'll bite. I want to play in this honeypot too.

I've been a PC gamer since the early 90s, playing fps multiplayer the whole way

I bought CoD4 on the 360 specifically because it uses a controller, not a mouse.

Analog sticks > mice

(ok not really, mice are more precise and I love my razer, but I got tired of 180 headshots in 'realistic' fps games a long time ago. quake/unreal style games, mouse+kb, but for cod/cs style games, I have way, way more fun on the consoles)
 
Seriously, this thread should only contain "oh well still will be a great game glad it's gonna run smooth" and "OMG PC GAMZ AR BETTA FINAL PROOOOF"

Nobody should be complaining.

Also, I would rather play CoD with a controller, even if it was on PC. Sorry, guys. Keyboard movement sucks.
 
TheHeretic said:
I thought this was a gaming enthusiast forum. You know, people who actually learn about video games and how they work?
It's a gaming discussion board.

There is nothing wrong with you disliking the native resolution of MW2, but you're going to get shit because it's kind of a pathetic thing to complain about considering it's still pretty much the best looking game coming out this year on the consoles.
 
This thread is funny as fuck. I'll go on a tangent and make it simple for console owner and decent PC owners. If you own a decent PC and a PS3 an X360 is near worthless because 90+ % of good exclusives go to PC anyway and in turn look better run better cost less etc.....If you want to own only one console and are just a gamer buy a X360. Simple as that unless you feel exclusives are somehow worth enough money to buy another console.
 
Asmodai said:
Ok....

When did I ever say that I thought "speed" was all that mattered in PC games? Of course it isn't, there are many other factors. I said that I didn't like the control method personally, which is nothing like what you said.

Secondly, you just seem to be implying that I have no "skillz" in even the peasant filled public arena of PC games. I might have cared about that if somebody told me that I sucked at a game when I was 12 years old, but I'm far past that point now. (my retort would have been "No way! You suck!")

Honestly, are you actually wasting your time trying to tell me that I would probably suck at these super competitive PC games, if I played them, which I don't? That's pretty sad in itself, I almost feel sorry for you.

I never implied you thought it was all speed I just went after your TF2 weblinkz comment which is stupid. TF has always been arcadey and one can do the same with a sniper gun in UT or Halo for that matter along with other titles. The control method comment came after the TF2 bit not before.

There is no seem to be when it comes to implication I was flat out stating my position. I can understand if you're not comfortable with how you're playing but all I heard was whining excuses that moving to another server to avoid hackers or going to a place where admins do their jobs, getting pc friends, and using a control style you like cold be fixed not hard to add controller support in. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying you should be on pc but that any issue you listed could be fixed quite easily and really isn't indicative of how the experiences are for most users who like the platform.
 
Must suck for alot of you pixel counters :D
what's the saying? Ignorance is bliss? :)
I bet 90% of the people buying this wont even know what 60fps means, let alone that its 600p or "none HD"
I cant even tell the difference between 30fps and 60fps and I sure as hell cant between 720p and 1080p but I guess my eyes are bust or something :lol aslong as its on par with CoD:MW most of the player base will be happy.

Also cant we all just get along PC and console lovers alike?!
I sit in the exact same spot for PC games (TF2, Sacred2, Civ 4) as I do Xbox/Ps3 replacing wireless pad for wireless keyboard and mouse, the off putting part of PC is the upgrading and the risk it wont work on your pc for whatever reason.The consoles are alot more hassle free in that regard.

Personally about the servers ive allways found it a royal pain in the ass having to search for a half decent server (TF2 for example). I don't want to spend 10mins dicking about in the menus and connecting only to find its a rubbish room where as Live you can jump right in a get on with it.
Oh and ignore all the little bum fluffs running around on live with party chat, thats a godsend \o/
 
Rorschach said:
I know it's a new concept for PC fans sitting, hunched over in front of your 13 inch monitor with dinky stereo speakers.
I have no words, except...I like your avatar.
 
Will buy PS3 version, will build gaming PC based on brain_stew's thread this fall, will buy PC version.
 
Johnlenham said:
I cant even tell the difference between 30fps and 60fps
This is really, really hard believing.
 
LCGeek said:
There is no seem to be when it comes to implication I was flat out stating my position. I can understand if you're not comfortable with how you're playing but all I heard was whining excuses that moving to another server to avoid hackers or going to a place where admins do their jobs, getting pc friends, and using a control style you like cold be fixed not hard to add controller support in. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying you should be on pc but that any issue you listed could be fixed quite easily and really isn't indicative of how the experiences are for most users who like the platform.

No worries, misunderstandings are inevitable on forums. Text-only communication doesn't convey intention very well.

Also, it's worth noting that Team Fortress 2 in particular was the game where I felt most like I was "clicking enemies to death". Other PC games, like Battlefield 2, have recoil, gun sway, and several other things that generally make it feel more like you are aiming the sniper rifle at an enemy, and less aiming a mouse at them. If you get what I mean.

I've never been interested in the hardcore side of games, whether on PC or consoles. A friend of mine plays Halo 3 at some kind of competitive level, that's pretty much all I know about it.

My experience is strictly what you might call the "casual" side, playing for fun and not caring about statistics and the like.

Seiken said:
This is really, really hard believing.

I agree. The problem is that people rarely get to play the same game at both 30 FPS and 60 FPS.

If people played COD4 at 60 FPS and then played it at 30 FPS, most of them would definitely notice it.

But if they play a different game, like Halo 3, that runs at 30 FPS, they might not notice the framerate, they might assume that it's just the different control scheme of the game, or the different "feel" of the game, if you know what I mean.

Personally I can tell the difference between 30 and 60 FPS, but I can't tell between 50 and 60.
 
Johnlenham said:
Personally about the servers ive allways found it a royal pain in the ass having to search for a half decent server (TF2 for example). I don't want to spend 10mins dicking about in the menus and connecting only to find its a rubbish room where as Live you can jump right in a get on with it.
Oh and ignore all the little bum fluffs running around on live with party chat, thats a godsend \o/

Pretty sure you're doing it wrong. Very wrong. So very very wrong. There's a reason why you have filter for ping, number of players, mods, etc you know.

Tideas said:
Sony has dedicated servers for some of its game.

Wait, when did PC games have dedicated servers?

Dear god I hope this is sarcasm. Otherwise you're a complete fucking moron.
 
*shrug* I play console because the games I like are there. I really don't understand these threads, it's not hard to justify preferring PC or console (or taking option C and embracing both).
 
Johnlenham said:
Personally about the servers ive allways found it a royal pain in the ass having to search for a half decent server (TF2 for example). I don't want to spend 10mins dicking about in the menus and connecting only to find its a rubbish room where as Live you can jump right in a get on with it.

Choosing a rubbish room is worse than being randomly designated one with no conceivable way of doing anything about it? These arguments are pure gold.
 
USD said:
*shrug* I play console because the games I like are there. I really don't understand these threads, it's not hard to justify preferring PC or console (or taking option C and embracing both).
No! One must win!
 
Johnlenham said:
Personally about the servers ive allways found it a royal pain in the ass having to search for a half decent server (TF2 for example). I don't want to spend 10mins dicking about in the menus and connecting only to find its a rubbish room where as Live you can jump right in a get on with it.
Oh and ignore all the little bum fluffs running around on live with party chat, thats a godsend \o/
On TF2, I have played it on Live and every time I got into a game, it's like 12 or 16 players max (can't remember) and it's laggy. If I leave and try again, I usually get the same room again. Whatever matchmaking logic is coded in doesn't say "he left that room, maybe he doesn't wanna be put back in there." It just runs the same logic and gives me the same room.

On PC, 32 players and usually no lag, and I just choose another room.
 
Johnlenham said:
Personally about the servers ive allways found it a royal pain in the ass having to search for a half decent server (TF2 for example). I don't want to spend 10mins dicking about in the menus and connecting only to find its a rubbish room where as Live you can jump right in a get on with it.
Oh and ignore all the little bum fluffs running around on live with party chat, thats a godsend \o/

Why are you clicking around in menus to find a game in TF2 you can bring up the server browser in steam with a right click and find what you want like that it also has filter control and favorites. If you're spending 10 minutes to get in to popular pc fps game online it's not the title that's at fault.
 
Despite it all, it will be one of the best looking and playing multiplatform games out there. Is it going to compete with something like KZ2 or Uncharted 2. No. IW isnj't focusing on one machine, they have many compromises to make.

Of all the things to complain about though. I mean, I'm more concerned with the lack of support the first received despite it's immense success. Or the lack of weaponry. Or intrusive auto-aim. Or getting sniped by helmets again. Visuals is something you certainly shouldn't worry about. Those other issues are far more glaring and hopefully addressed.

The AC-130 making it's way into MP though, that was awesome.
 
600p again = it will once again run and play GREAT on my ps3. it will have trophies this time. i am going to ac130 some of you online. you'll semtex me, and we will lulz. there will be much rejoicing.

resolution is the least of my worries.
 
I hope lionelhutz is pleased with what he's done here today.

Congratulations sir, you've ruined the internet.
 
dojokun said:
On TF2, I have played it on Live and every time I got into a game, it's like 12 or 16 players max (can't remember) and it's laggy. On PC, 32 players and usually no lag.

TF2 on consoles was notorious for its lag. Probably one of the main reasons the console versions of TF2 are deserted today.

Plenty of console games, like Gears of War 2, have ridiculously bad match-making and will pair you up with players from opposite ends of the world for unplayably laggy games.

As long as the game has good netcode and a good match-making system, it should be fine on either PC or console.
 
Mrbob said:
The experience of being sworn at by 13 to 15 year old boys?

Well think about it. Having a magnitude of people to play + filtering the assholes out by making a friend's list (something Sony cheerleaders seem to always forget when bringing up Live) or play in a barren environment better known as PSN.

Hmm,tough call.
 
Asmodai said:
This is where we disagree.

Games are not objective, or else I would prefer playing PC games if they are superior in all respects, as would everyone else. Even if I was the only person on the entire planet who didn't prefer playing PC games, my existence alone proves that it is subjective and not an objective quantity.

As for ease of use, PC gaming in my experience, across over 15 years and at least five separate PCs, has been anything but easy to use. Of course, it has become much worse in recent years, which is why I play with PCs less and less.

PCs and consoles have their respective advantages and disadvantages, both of which will influence us based on our personal preferences. One person likes the precision of a mouse and keyboard, the other finds it unintuitive and prefers something else.

What is a disadvantage to one person might mean nothing to another.

But one thing is certain: no input method can be objectively deemed to be superior.



Ok....

When did I ever say that I thought "speed" was all that mattered in PC games? Of course it isn't, there are many other factors. I said that I didn't like the control method personally, which is nothing like what you said.

Secondly, you just seem to be implying that I have no "skillz" in even the peasant filled public arena of PC games. I might have cared about that if somebody told me that I sucked at a game when I was 12 years old, but I'm far past that point now. (my retort would have been "No way! You suck!")

Honestly, are you actually wasting your time trying to tell me that I would probably suck at these super competitive PC games, if I played them, which I don't? That's pretty sad in itself, I almost feel sorry for you.


now i know you know jack squat about what yopu're talking about.
 
Angelus said:
Well think about it. Having a magnitude of people to play + filtering the assholes out by making a friend's list (something Sony cheerleaders seem to always forget when bringing up Live) or play in a barren environment better known as PSN.

Hmm,tough call.

He wasn't talking about the PS3.
 
Yeah if you played in high speed gaming example 60FPS or high end PC then switch on 30fps soon after. I can see some will complain.
It's hard to see how different because it is rare show having 2 screens with same game running different fps in real life, but I have found a good example 60fps vs 24fps by google.
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?ybmlymn2nnl
 
Angelus said:
Well think about it. Having a magnitude of people to play + filtering the assholes out by making a friend's list (something Sony cheerleaders seem to always forget when bringing up Live) or play in a barren environment better known as PSN.

Hmm,tough call.
Or play it on PC, which he was getting at.
 
Angelus said:
Well think about it. Having a magnitude of people to play + filtering the assholes out by making a friend's list (something Sony cheerleaders seem to always forget when bringing up Live) or play in a barren environment better known as PSN.

Hmm,tough call.
Yeah, these are the only two options. PC isn't even worth mentioning even though it was quoted in the post you were quoting

I have no words, except...I like your avatar.
Thank you!
 
Angelus said:
Well think about it. Having a magnitude of people to play + filtering the assholes out by making a friend's list (something Sony cheerleaders seem to always forget when bringing up Live) or play in a barren environment better known as PSN.

Hmm,tough call.
wait, psn don't have friend lists? BTW when it comes to online also PC wins
 
This is the thread that's causing the 500 errors right now, right?

Over 850 posts around how many pixels MW2 will have. :lol

Guled said:
wait, psn don't have friend lists? BTW when it comes to online also PC wins

God, they're still at it. Thanks for letting us know which is best, Guled. Appreciate it. :lol

I feel like an idiot for even trying to discuss something rationally in this thread.
 
Commanche Raisin Toast said:
600p again = it will once again run and play GREAT on my ps3. it will have trophies this time. i am going to ac130 some of you online. you'll semtex me, and we will lulz. there will be much rejoicing.

resolution is the least of my worries.

Peasantry!

You will pick a corner and you will fight for it and damn well like it too!

pIXELS ARE LIFE!1
 
Asmodai said:
No worries, misunderstandings are inevitable on forums. Text-only communication doesn't convey intention very well.

Also, it's worth noting that Team Fortress 2 in particular was the game where I felt most like I was "clicking enemies to death". Other PC games, like Battlefield 2, have recoil, gun sway, and several other things that generally make it feel more like you are aiming the sniper rifle at an enemy, and less aiming a mouse at them. If you get what I mean.

I've never been interested in the hardcore side of games, whether on PC or consoles. A friend of mine plays Halo 3 at some kind of competitive level, that's pretty much all I know about it.

My experience is strictly what you might call the "casual" side, playing for fun and not caring about statistics and the like.

I'm horrible with text communication as some here will testify.

TF2 definitely will have that feel over a tactical shooter, but you can negate the lack of recoil if your team picks the right classes and does the right strategies depending on the levels especially in pubs. I know what you mean just TF2 isn't the only FPS game with a broke sniper rifle that has a centered rail shot, no sway, and no recoil.

I'm not too hardcore I just like organized play. Stats are meaningless in comp it's all about round wins at all cost. Those in to stats I find I just looking to stroke their e-ego.

Try to avoid comparitive arguments when pc types get involved it's a one way ticket to a discussion that won't stop. No you're not an idiot.
 
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