Modern Warfare 2 Will Render at 600p

Tideas said:
Sony has dedicated servers for some of its game.

Wait, when did PC games have dedicated servers?

Since the beginning of online play. :lol

Mutagenic said:
That resolution and that mouse sensitivity? No wonder you weren't cal-i. J/k.

:lol Maybe there was some negative acceleration? I know for a fact that 0.8 is ridiculous. Usually 0.8 is only playable when you have negative acceleration because the lower it goes, the faster it gets for some odd reason.

Also MGS4 a technical mess, really? Don't get me wrong, there's slow downs in explosions like all MGS games, but MGS4 runs smooth as hell, and looks great. There are far worse games I would say is a technical mess/unplayable.
 
Hmm can anyone link me the thread that confirmed that MGS4 will only be 600p? I would like to compare the two threads :)
 
Seiken said:
Hmm can anyone link me the thread that confirmed that MGS4 will only be 600p? I would like to compare the two threads :)
It's not 600p, it's 1024x768p. I don't have the thread link though.
 
Asmodai said:
I knew someone would quote that out of context! What are the chances it would be Evilore! :lol

It's more convenient than addressing your various absurdities on display here, like how you talk about the Total War series being from a time before PC gaming bugginess and yet Fallout 3 PC was somehow unplayable. Or how higher resolution and framerate isn't necessarily better than lower resolution and framerate with all else being equal. Or how you played basically the only twitch aiming precision class in Team Fortress 2 and from that you take that the game is worthless, since the sniper rifle doesn't have any recoil or analog stick handicap to balance it out.
 
Asmodai said:
This is the thread that's causing the 500 errors right now, right?

Over 850 posts around how many pixels MW2 will have. :lol



God, they're still at it. Thanks for letting us know which is best, Guled. Appreciate it. :lol

I feel like an idiot for even trying to discuss something rationally in this thread.

We are just trying to help all you dirty peasants.
 
stuburns said:
It's not 600p, it's 1024x768p. I don't have the thread link though.

1024x768 in 16:9, so it's a little wonky. The game has serious image quality deficiencies in gameplay, though still looks gorgeous in cutscenes. I couldn't help but feel for a brief while that it was the prettiest game I had played upon finishing it, but that faded quickly when I loaded it back up for an Extreme run and skipped the cutscenes. The gameplay graphics aren't impressive at all, totally jaggy and blurry and lacking the scope of MGS3's environments.
 
EviLore said:
The gameplay graphics aren't impressive at all, totally jaggy and blurry and lacking the scope of MGS3's environments.
Scope as in scale (sorry)? There were some parts where the scale was ridiculously good in MGS4.
 
Johnlenham said:
Personally about the servers ive allways found it a royal pain in the ass having to search for a half decent server (TF2 for example). I don't want to spend 10mins dicking about in the menus and connecting only to find its a rubbish room where as Live you can jump right in a get on with it.

This is a big plus on the PC side. You do not have to rely on whatever the matchmaking happens to be to play online.
 
EviLore said:
1024x768 in 16:9, so it's a little wonky. The game has serious image quality deficiencies in gameplay
The anamorphic resolution could be why it's a little muddy. CoD4 is lower res I guess, but it looked quite a bit sharper to me.

I still think the game is beautiful in places, it's just the nature of the game design that makes it shine though, the second stage is really gorgeous in places, but you're usually really far from any one texture or anything, it's quite pulled back.

I disagree with the early comment that it's a technical mess (not by you I know), it's not a showcase title like KZ2 or something, but I still think it's very nice visually.
 
vocab said:
Since the beginning of online play. :lol



:lol Maybe there was some negative acceleration? I know for a fact that 0.8 is ridiculous. Usually 0.8 is only playable when you have negative acceleration because the lower it goes, the faster it gets for some odd reason.

Also MGS4 a technical mess, really? Don't get me wrong, there's slow downs in explosions like all MGS games, but MGS4 runs smooth as hell, and looks great. There are far worse games I would say is a technical mess/unplayable.

Well none of those games had 5 freaking installs... and the MGS series used to be amazing by a technical point of view (MGS2 was even shitting on the nicer PC games when it was released), MGS4 was pretty much the contrary. It still looks pretty (excellent art direction and cutscenes) but that's it.
 
So let me get this straight.

You asshats can bitch about the Wii and its graphics because you have the "superior" console but now that the Superior Machine users insult your precious console people are being elitest and assholes?

Every single person whining over PC users should have a big fucking target painted on them so the next time they even think of bitching about the Wii they get banned.
 
LordPhoque said:
Well none of those games had 5 freaking installs... and the MGS series used to be amazing by a technical point of view (MGS2 was even shitting on the nicer PC games when it was released), MGS4 was pretty much the contrary. It still looks pretty (excellent art direction and cutscenes) but that's it.

MGS2 was shitting on everything from memory. Consoles used to hold out pretty well against PC's, a few years of superiority going for them. I think the leaps being made now are too extreme for anyone to hope to catch up. The 360 was pretty much DOA, the PS3 definitely so.
 
johnFkennedy said:
I can't tell the difference between 720p and 1080p so this doesn't make much of a difference to me.
You can't discern the difference between a resolution of 921,600 pixels and one with 2,073,600?

Eye doctor. Nao.
 
LordPhoque said:
Well none of those games had 5 freaking installs... and the MGS series used to be amazing by a technical point of view (MGS2 was even shitting on the nicer PC games when it was released), MGS4 was pretty much the contrary. It still looks pretty (excellent art direction and cutscenes) but that's it.

Ill agree. Once PC entered Direct x 10 (barely any games use), I knew this gen of consoles would be no near as good looking simply because of hardware limitations. MGS2 felt ahead of its time.

At least Uncharted 2 is pushing the next step of graphics for consoles.
 
MGS2 had the best rain in a video game for like 5 years. :lol

And MGS3:S looks like a damn current gen game on PCSX2.
 
TheHeretic said:
MGS2 was shitting on everything from memory. Consoles used to hold out pretty well against PC's, a few years of superiority going for them. I think the leaps being made now are too extreme for anyone to hope to catch up. The 360 was pretty much DOA, the PS3 definitely so.
Another thing is the bigger budgets required are actually helping to get PC SKUs of most the console games, I don't think it's been like that to this extent in the generations before this one. However, content is still king, and even though PC tech blows consoles away, and the keyboard/mouse interface is still better for the vast majority of games, I still think console software is generally better.
 
EviLore said:
MGS2 had the best rain in a video game for like 5 years. :lol

And MGS3:S looks like a damn current gen game on PCSX2.

Funny how history repeats itself. Back then it was the same argument. "Sure it looks alright buh buh buh resolution is so low".
 
OverHeat said:
Come on.....

You're right, my bad. I meant better looking than most current gen games. It's aesthetically off the charts, and emulation brings it all out with the cranked image quality.
 
Rorschach said:
I know it's a new concept for PC fans sitting, hunched over in front of your 13 inch monitor with dinky stereo speakers.


I game on a 37" monitor with Klipsch 5.1 surround my man....when I want to keep it quite, I use the same pair of headphone I use on my 360 and PS3, Tritton AX pros.

You should see COD 4 at 1920x1080 4xAA 16XAF!!

mmmmm drink it in!!

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yummy

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Pefect shadows

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and there she is....all 37" of her!! You like?

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Whoops!! How'd this slip in here!!

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I enjoy my consoles as much as anybody but cmon now.....after playing on a nice gaming PC...makes it hard to go back, thats for sure...just wish more of my friends had gaming PC's
 
EviLore said:
You're right, my bad. I meant better looking than most current gen games. It's aesthetically off the charts, and emulation brings it all out with the cranked image quality.

It look good no doubt, but the game is so low poly....MGS4 on the other hand :D
 
SnakeXs said:
Funny how history repeats itself. Back then it was the same argument. "Sure it looks alright buh buh buh resolution is so low".

No, the argument was more like "SPLINTER CELL SPLINTER CELL SPLINTER CELL SPLINTER CELL"
 
cameltoe said:
I game on a 37" monitor with Klipsch 5.1 surround my man....when I want to keep it quite, I use the same pair of headphone I use on my 360 and PS3, Tritton AX pros.

You should see COD 4 at 1920x1080 4xAA 16XAF!!

mmmmm drink it in!!

shot0089.jpg


yummy

shot0083.jpg


Pefect shadows

shot0021.jpg


and there she is....all 37" of her!! You like?

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Fuck yeah.
 
cameltoe said:
WTF is a Westington? It's westinghouse, and its a monitor. Maybe you should read up on the reviews of this as a PC monitor...

.I have 2 Sony LCD TV's BTW

Wow...and I have a pioneer KURO and a Sony SXRD so what?
 
If anyone wants games to look as good as CoD4 MW, CoD:WaW, CoD MW2 while maintaining 60fps most of the time, but true HD 720p or 1080p (instead of 600p) then you need a console with a GPU that's got higher pixel fillrate & higher external graphics memory bandwidth than either Xbox 360 or PS3.

Right now only PCs can provide that.
 
EviLore said:
It's more convenient than addressing your various absurdities on display here, like how you talk about the Total War series being from a time before PC gaming bugginess and yet Fallout 3 PC was somehow unplayable. Or how higher resolution and framerate isn't necessarily better than lower resolution and framerate with all else being equal. Or how you played basically the only twitch aiming precision class in Team Fortress 2 and from that you take that the game is worthless, since the sniper rifle doesn't have any recoil or analog stick handicap to balance it out.


Evilore I can't believe you just did this. You should be ashamed of yourself.




You forgot the WRPG's besides Mass Effect never had choices and consequence comment.
 
Yep, I have that 37" 1080p Westy too and it's great. Except for the scaler.

Awesome PC monitor.

Tideas said:
Wait, when did PC games have dedicated servers?

Whoa. Gamers here are really clueless. Much more so than I ever thought.

I've read this post several times and I still can't believe he's serious.
 
I find the term "core gamer" unappealing, for a specific reason: it seems to have no clear meaning, and people define the term as they see fit to bolster their arguments.

If the term IS to have any specific meaning, it would need to adhere to specific, well defined principles. I think we can generally agree on those: a concern for the technical advancement of gaming -- whether that be through network connectivity, graphical advancements, improvements in physics, or otherwise -- as well as a concern for complex, precise, and challenging gameplay.

The argument for PS3/360 in this thread has been, by and large, an argument for comfort and accessibility. You can sit on your couch and play them. They work right out of the box, no questions asked. As nullpointer said, it's more "inviting," or as Asmodai said, it's more "comfortable." Now, I want to emphasize, first, that those concerns are fine. If that's what you care about, that's cool. There is no right and wrong here. However, if we specifically want to talk about core gaming, then these concerns go directly against "core gaming" values. You are sacrificing better network connectivity, better graphics, more precise aiming, and other concerns so that your gaming can be more accessible, inviting and comfortable. Since many people seem to be highly concerned with self-identifying as "core" gamers, you're going to have to reconcile this conflict.

Of course, the best solution would be to simply abandon the term "core gamer" entirely, but everyone is too invested in using the term as a wedge to belittle "casual" gamers, so I suppose that isn't possible.
 
camineet said:
If anyone wants games to look as good as CoD4 MW, CoD:WaW, CoD MW2 while maintaining 60fps most of the time, but true HD 720p or 1080p (instead of 600p) then you need a console with a GPU that's got higher pixel fillrate & higher external graphics memory bandwidth than either Xbox 360 or PS3.

Right now only PCs can provide that.
I think Capcom can do it. I'd love to see what a new DMC looks like featuring all the upgrades they've made to their engine.
 
Opiate said:
I find the term "core gamer" unappealing, for a specific reason: it seems to have no clear meaning, and people define the term as they see fit to bolster their arguments.

If the term IS to have any specific meaning, it would need to adhere to specific, well defined principles. I think we can generally agree on those: a concern for the technical advancement of gaming -- whether that be through network connectivity, graphical advancements, improvements in physics, or otherwise -- as well as a concern for complex, precise, and challenging gameplay.

The argument for PS3/360 in this thread has been, by and large, an argument for comfort and accessibility. You can sit on your couch and play them. They work right out of the box, no questions asked. As nullpointer said, it's more "inviting," or as Asmodai said, it's more "comfortable." Now, I want to emphasize, first, that those concerns are fine. If that's what you care about, that's cool. There is no right and wrong here. However, if we specifically want to talk about core gaming, then these concerns go directly against "core gaming" values. You are sacrificing better network connectivity, better graphics, more precise aiming, and other concerns so that your gaming can be more accessible, inviting and comfortable. Since many people seem to be highly concerned with self-identifying as "core" gamers, you're going to have to reconcile this conflict.

Of course, the best solution would be to simply abandon the term "core gamer" entirely, but everyone is too invested in using the term as a wedge to belittle "casual" gamers, so I suppose that isn't possible.

I don't recall ever saying console gaming was more "comfortable." That whole "comfy couch" nonsense was around long before I joined. :lol

My personal reasons for preferring consoles are first and foremost the ease of use to play with friends and secondly knowing that my investment is going to be valid and supported by developers for at least 5 years, that the hardware will run any of the games just fine. Of course, there is the occasional game that runs badly on the console it is designed for, but it is easy to avoid those games by doing a bit of consumer research beforehand. There are a whole host of smaller reasons, but those are the main ones. I guess you could construe that as more "comfortable", but it seems an odd choice of words.

And yeah, I completely agree that jettisoning the "hardcore" and "casual" terms entirely is a good idea. Everyone just tries to spin the definition their own way.
 
God, i can't believe some of the shit that i'm reading, i'm actually begininng to think that a few 360/ps3 owners here have actually begun mating with vegetables.

PC gaming, has not been as bug free or as streamlined as it is now, steam automatically keeps your shit up to date. I don't even see how that is an argument, i guarantee that when i switch my ps3 on i'll get asked to download a patch for "generic shooter B". Also ps3 firmware updates happen as often as nvidia releases it's WHQL drivers.



EviLore said:
It's more convenient than addressing your various absurdities on display here, like how you talk about the Total War series being from a time before PC gaming bugginess and yet Fallout 3 PC was somehow unplayable. Or how higher resolution and framerate isn't necessarily better than lower resolution and framerate with all else being equal. Or how you played basically the only twitch aiming precision class in Team Fortress 2 and from that you take that the game is worthless, since the sniper rifle doesn't have any recoil or analog stick handicap to balance it out.

Console shooters have weapon sway dude...
 
johnFkennedy said:
I can't tell the difference between 720p and 1080p so this doesn't make much of a difference to me.

FPS>>>>Resolution.

I can, but I prefer 1 million times FPS over resolution.
 
laserbeam said:
So let me get this straight.

You asshats can bitch about the Wii and its graphics because you have the "superior" console but now that the Superior Machine users insult your precious console people are being elitest and assholes?

Every single person whining over PC users should have a big fucking target painted on them so the next time they even think of bitching about the Wii they get banned.

That's the jist, yeah.

MrPointy said:
60fps >>>>>> resolution

Both >* Either/Or :D
 
Resolution has diminishing returns. The difference between 480p and 720p is colossal, the difference between 720p and 1080p is nice, but it's not even close to as effecting.
 
stuburns said:
Resolution has diminishing returns. The difference between 480p and 720p is colossal, the difference between 720p and 1080p is nice, but it's not even close to as effecting.

I completely disagree. 720p looks much better than 480p for sure, but it looks downright blurry in comparison to 1080p.
 
stuburns said:
Resolution has diminishing returns. The difference between 480p and 720p is colossal, the difference between 720p and 1080p is nice, but it's not even close to as effecting.

I completely agree.

Careful though, start saying too many things that make sense and the pixel zealots will label you as one of us console plebs :lol
 
EviLore said:
MGS2 had the best rain in a video game for like 5 years. :lol

And MGS3:S looks like a damn current gen game on PCSX2.
It still has rain that embarrasses most games. I'm not so sure a game has done it better. Though I will admit CoD4 has some epic rain, other than that though.......what else?
 
laserbeam said:
So let me get this straight.

You asshats can bitch about the Wii and its graphics because you have the "superior" console but now that the Superior Machine users insult your precious console people are being elitest and assholes?

Every single person whining over PC users should have a big fucking target painted on them so the next time they even think of bitching about the Wii they get banned.


The jump from Wii graphics to HD consoles is much bigger than from consoles to PC (ouside of Crysis :D ).
 
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