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[Mammoth Jones]

i don't really see how this links? that sort of knowledge of a select few seems like its own thing aside from racial emotion and empathy

My point is mofo's aren't racist because they're dumb. Some of the most racist motherfuckers throughout human history have been absolutely brilliant people from an intelligence perspective.

The issue is a long history of denigrating "otherness". It's not "If only Blacks would humble themselves for five minutes to teach racists how what they're doing is ignorant things would be fine!".

We been talking for hundreds of years and mofo's refused to listen.

 

[Newlove]

I don't really get the pulling out of the phone to record it. It's like, can't wait for Facebook to see me make a show of this!

 

[Samara]

What a beautiful garment. It looks different, but what a snide comment.

Last year a woman working in a high ranking beauty supply store told me they don't have hair products for negroid hair. I just walked out and was taken back. I went back and complained a day later. Its not like my hair needs black products. I use Garnier ffs. I didn't cuss her out but I told her to that it may be different in all its about the same and that you cant judge people that way.

People know how to single you out with terrible snide comments like these. Just say what do you mean and let the stupidity trickle.

 

[BearFlexington]

Pretty sure I heard an apology >30 seconds in. The rest seems like bully indignation.

 

[SapientWolf]

My point is mofo's aren't racist because they're dumb. Some of the most racist motherfuckers throughout human history have been absolutely brilliant people from an intelligence perspective.

The issue is a long history of denigrating "otherness". It's not "If only Blacks would humble themselves for five minutes to teach racists how what they're doing is ignorant things would be fine!".

We been talking for hundreds of years and mofo's refused to listen.

Intelligence Study Links Low I.Q. To Prejudice, Racism, Conservatism

I, for one, am shocked.

 

[Nepenthe]

Pretty sure I heard an apology >30 seconds in. The rest seems like bully indignation.

Was the apology sincere in its understanding of how it was racist or was she apologizing to get the mother off her back?

 

[n00bsauce87]

Legit shocked that people have developed any sort of empathy for the store clerk because of the mother's verbal assault.

Tell a mother to "properly" defend her kids from racism brehs.

 

[Stormhammer]

My point is mofo's aren't racist because they're dumb. Some of the most racist motherfuckers throughout human history have been absolutely brilliant people from an intelligence perspective.

The issue is a long history of denigrating "otherness". It's not "If only Blacks would humble themselves for five minutes to teach racists how what they're doing is ignorant things would be fine!".

We been talking for hundreds of years and mofo's refused to listen.

i personally think it has a lot to do with lack of empathy. with a vast amount of people, when something doesn't affect them, it's easy to ignore and continue to do whatever it is that you do, regardless of the issue. i wish it weren't that way, but even with major injustices all over the world, most people won't notice. they notice what's in their immediate lives.

that's just my view in a broad sense i guess, but yeah it's a damn shame that some intellect is used to continue to separate instead of unite

 

[ebullientprism]

Was the apology sincere in its understanding of how it was racist or was she apologizing to get the mother off her back?

If you have a person being aggressive towards you your first reaction is to get them to stop being aggressive. So of course the apology is to get her off her back. If she wanted understanding she should have tried a calm conversation not recorded for facebook empathy.

 

[BearFlexington]

Was the apology sincere in its understanding of how it was racist or was she apologizing to get the mother off her back?

Difficult to decipher when someone is yelling.

Edit: I get that she's upset. As a father, I have and would flash on someone for saying or doing something to offend my child. That said, there's a line between getting your point across and making a scene for the sake of making a scene. Line = crossed IMHO

 

[Stormhammer]

Difficult to decipher when someone is yelling.

Edit: I get that she's upset. As a father, I have and would flash on someone for saying or doing something to offend my child. That said, there's a line between getting your point across and making a scene for the sake of making a scene. Line = crossed IMHO

sometimes you gotta make a scene to be seen

 

[shamanick]

Difficult to decipher when someone is yelling.

Edit: I get that she's upset. As a father, I have and would flash on someone for saying or doing something to offend my child. That said, there's a line between getting your point across and making a scene for the sake of making a scene. Line = crossed IMHO

Fuck that. She was standing up for her kids. She wasn't violent she was just assertive. It wasn't making a scene for the sake of it, she was pissed and rightly so.

 

[BigDes]

The line of propriety was crossed with the racist comment, not the mother's reaction.

 

[Nepenthe]

If you have a person being aggressive towards you your first reaction is to get them to stop being aggressive. So of course the apology is to get her off her back. If she wanted understanding she should have tried a calm conversation not recorded for facebook empathy.

If she didn't want a confrontation, she shouldn't have shit on the children of a customer she's supposed to serve.

Difficult to decipher when someone is yelling.

Edit: I get that she's upset. As a father, I have and would flash on someone for saying or doing something to offend my child. That said, there's a line between getting your point across and making a scene for the sake of making a scene. Line = crossed IMHO

She didn't make a scene for the sake of making a scene. She made a scene to let the woman know not to shit on the children of the customers she serves. And if you want to talk about lines being crossed, the line was crossed when she shit on her children. Don't want people crossing lines? Don't take the first step over it yourself.

 

[n00bsauce87]

Difficult to decipher when someone is yelling.

Edit: I get that she's upset. As a father, I have and would flash on someone for saying or doing something to offend my child. That said, there's a line between getting your point across and making a scene for the sake of making a scene. Line = crossed IMHO

She got to tell her supervisor that the store clerk was a racist bigot.

She didn't even through the phone at her when she was done. That's actually pretty calm of her to be honest.

It was more her crossing the victory tape and taking a victory lap by unloading on her.

Because to be frank, the supervisor just needs to fire her

 

[Liquid-San]

Read through a couple of pages in this thread, but I'd just like to get the point across that the mother wasn't wrong in this case imo. I understand the comments stating that her verbal assault was a bit too much because of the presence of her children, but let's be honest, it's not like it's their first day outside.

As for my other point, I read "civil discourse" in one of these comments and that's a pipe dream for many of the arguments that are held daily. The reason for this is that no two arguments touch the person in the same manner; what can be irrelevant to you, can mean something important to another person and vice-versa. In this case, clearly racism was a big deal to her and the cashier was racist in saying what she said, whether it be intentional or not. All of you stating that you'd be so calm when you're upset, what if the basis of the argument truly upset you? I doubt many of us would calmly diffuse the situation as some are pretending on here.

 

[BearFlexington]

sometimes you gotta make a scene to be seen

Fuck that. She was standing up for her kids. She wasn't violent she was just assertive. It wasn't making a scene for the sake of it, she was pissed and rightly so.

If she didn't want a confrontation, she shouldn't have shit on the children of a customer she's supposed to serve.

She didn't make a scene for the sake of making a scene. She made a scene to let the woman know not to shit on the children of the customers she serves. And if you want to talk about lines being crossed, the line was crossed when she shit on her children. Don't want people crossing lines? Don't take the first step over it yourself.

She got to tell her supervisor that the store clerk was a racist bigot.

She didn't even through the phone at her when she was done. That's actually pretty calm of her to be honest.

It was more her crossing the victory tape and taking a victory lap by unloading on her.

Because to be frank, the supervisor just needs to fire her

This is fighting a losing battle in my opinion. If the goal was to point out the woman's ignorance, yelling (an ignorant form of communication typically reserved for drunks) is less than effective in my opinion.

Worth mentioning that I would and have gone bananas. Always regretted it afterwards though.

 

[schwabdizzle]

I loved the way she said Motherfucker. She made it look like an art.

 

[n00bsauce87]

This is fighting a losing battle in my opinion. If the goal was to point out the woman's ignorance, yelling (an ignorant form of communication typically reserved for drunks) is less than effective in my opinion.

Worth mentioning that I would and have gone bananas. Always regretted it afterwards though.

Well that's the point. That wasn't the goal. The goal was to inform the supervisor of the employee. We know this by first, getting the offender to call her supervisor. Mother then tells supervisor that they have hired a racist in part of their staff. Hangs up.

Ignorance implies she had no idea what she said. The mother asked her why would their be any Halloween party in September for her to ask about a halloween party? Anyone with common sense wouldn't ask out of sheer curiosity which is why the mother was baffled at the question. You see, you aren't listening to the (one sided) conversation and you only hear the mother cussing.

I understood everything that was being said and why the mother was upset. Either you have absolutely no idea on how American holidays work as an American or you are racist.

 

[digdug2k]

I'm still surprised people find "oh are you out trick or treating" racist (to the point people in here are saying "that bigot should be fired"). I'd probably just call it a bad joke.

 

[Captin Quacker]

I'm still surprised people find "oh are you out trick or treating" racist (to the point people in here are saying "that bigot should be fired"). I'd probably just call it a bad joke.

Trick or treating in the middle of September?

 

[Nepenthe]

I'm still surprised people find "oh are you out trick or treating" racist (to the point people in here are saying "that bigot should be fired"). I'd probably just call it a bad joke.

Because she denigrated their clothing to the level of a costume, and she did it in a way that obviously hurt these children's feelings enough to tell their mom about it. I've been treated better than they were walking into stores with an actual full-body dog mascot suit on. =/

 

[Via Purifico]

I'm still surprised people find "oh are you out trick or treating" racist (to the point people in here are saying "that bigot should be fired"). I'd probably just call it a bad joke.

There's nothing surprising about it, she was trying to make a snide remark and got dealt with. It's September and there are plenty of others who wears similar clothing.

 

[Jacobi]

She probably thought those were from some Anime or something. Don't really see anything racist in there, or are these clothes that normal in America?

 

[digdug2k]

Because she denigrated their clothing to the level of a costume, and she did it in a way that obviously hurt these children's feelings enough to tell their mom about it. I've been treated better than they were walking into stores with an actual full-body dog mascot suit on. =/

Really? You don't think anyone said anything? I've been told I'm a loser on here just for wearing cargo shorts.

I don't think its not a snide remark. I did at first because I've got young kids and just a this week someone's said "Woah, ready for trick or treating early" to me twice in stores. But the kids are teenagers. They were probably being snide. They were probably making fun of their clothes. I just wouldn't call whoever said it racist or a bigot for saying it.

 

[Captin Quacker]

She probably thought those were from some Anime or something. Don't really see anything racist in there, or are these clothes that normal in America?

That's not an excuse to run her mouth tho

 

[n00bsauce87]

Really? You don't think anyone said anything? I've been told I'm a loser on here just for wearing cargo shorts.

I don't think its not a snide remark. I did at first because I've got young kids and just a this week someone's said "Woah, ready for trick or treating early" to me twice in stores. But the kids are teenagers. They were probably being snide. They were probably making fun of their clothes. I just wouldn't call whoever said it racist or a bigot for saying it.

Also in the same video. A white lady said that she was trying to get in touch with her supervisor as well.

So yes someone probably did. Enough to think that she should be dealt with by her supervisor.

But I guess that lady too should have just though it was a joke

 

[Nepenthe]

She probably thought those were from some Anime or something. Don't really see anything racist in there, or are these clothes that normal in America?

One, a woman of her age probably doesn't watch anime.

Two, if she did, she wouldn't ask about Halloween in September from that context because it makes even less sense.

Three, if we're still under the impression that she watches anime, she probably wouldn't ask about it from that context because it doesn't look like typical anime fashion design because they aren't making respectful cartoons about Africans.

Four, it's been explained extensively in this thread why what she said was offensive from a racial point of view.

Five, do you not see the irony of the question in relation to a thread where the kids were offended for being joked about as being in custome?

 

[digdug2k]

Also in the same video. A white lady said that she was trying to get in touch with her supervisor as well.

So yes someone probably did. Enough to think that she should be dealt with by her supervisor.

But I guess that lady too should have just though it was a joke

I meant no one said anything about him in his dog costume. If I wear weird shit to a store, people say shit to me. Its fine. I'm in weird shit (and I'm white, so I can always call in my privilege to destroy them if they annoy me).

 

[Nepenthe]

Really? You don't think anyone said anything? I've been told I'm a loser on here just for wearing cargo shorts.

I get treated quite well with an animal mask over my face because a) it's adorable and b) with my body covered I don't automatically trigger anyone's sensibilities about black people, which is simultaneously relieving yet sad. People at most ask me what I'm doing out of genuine curiosity, unlike this lady (which is the kicker; people keep pretending she asked the Halloween question because she was actually curious, when there's already a proper way to ask about the purpose of all manner of dress), but I've not been made fun of to my face for it. On the contrary, I'm more than likely to get free shit for it.

Regardless, are you talking about that thread on here about the cargo shorts article? If so, you realize that the context of that thread was about the opinion one had of cargo shorts, which would naturally invite scrutiny to people who admitted wearing them, as well as the fact that there is no racial implication and/or cultural significance of the garment nor to yourself considering you admitted this anonymously, thus it's not the same at all?

I don't think its not a snide remark. I did at first because I've got young kids and just a this week someone's said "Woah, ready for trick or treating early" to me twice in stores. But the kids are teenagers. They were probably being snide. They were probably making fun of their clothes. I just wouldn't call whoever said it racist or a bigot for saying it.

You don't think calling traditional African wear a Halloween costume is in any way racist?

 

[S2G_Chris]

I was on the mothers side for the first third of the video
After i heard the woman behind the counter blatantly say sorry and try to explain herself multiple times while being cut off every single time without fail, it got to be a bit much to me.

I dont get the vibe her comment was made to be hurtful, more that it was just made out of ignorance. That certainly dosent make it okay, but at least give her the floor to explain her viewpoint if you're going to demand an apology (and get it)

Just my opinion though

 

[Super_Cobra]

How is a simple question like "are you going trick or treating?" Racist? How I don't get it?

Plus the mother going in there talking and cussing like that instead of having a civilized conversation doesn't help.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

How is a simple question like "are you going trick or treating?" Racist? How I don't get it?

Plus the mother going in there talking and cussing like that instead of having a civilized conversation doesn't help.

Read the thread. It's been explained multiple times for your convenience.

 

[Ivan 3414]

I loved the way she said Motherfucker. She made it look like an art.

She made the word "chick" sound like a cuss word

 

[Super_Cobra]

Read the thread. It's been explained multiple times for your convenience.

I'm not going to sit here and read through 10 pages. I read the the first 2 and there was valid points on both sides. I still don't agree with the mother storming in there causing havoc. There could of been other younger children at the store.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

I'm not going to sit here and read through 10 pages. I read the the first 2 and there was valid points on both sides. I still don't agree with the mother storming in there causing havoc. There could of been other younger children at the store.

So you're not going to read the thread which answers the question you've asked? Yet you're going to post the same talking points others have that have been responded to and picked apart already. Gotcha.

Havoc? Was she violent? No. Did she cause widespread destruction? The only thing she layed waste to was that cashier's snide ignorant passive-aggressiveness and I bet she will think twice next time she wanna get cute.

Don't riot.
Don't yell.
Don't not stand for the pledge.

The fuck you want us to do when we feel some kinda way about shit? Write a strongly worded letter from jail? The man who did that still got killed for his trouble.

Can't win for losing.

 

[Super_Cobra]

So you're not going to read the thread which answers the question you've asked? Yet you're going to post the same talking points others have that have been responded to and picked apart already. Gotcha.

I was stating my opinion. You weren't obligated to respond to my comment. Again, I don't see anything racist about it.
The mother should of handled this better.

 

[BearFlexington]

Well that's the point. That wasn't the goal. The goal was to inform the supervisor of the employee. We know this by first, getting the offender to call her supervisor. Mother then tells supervisor that they have hired a racist in part of their staff. Hangs up.

Ignorance implies she had no idea what she said. The mother asked her why would their be any Halloween party in September for her to ask about a halloween party? Anyone with common sense wouldn't ask out of sheer curiosity which is why the mother was baffled at the question. You see, you aren't listening to the (one sided) conversation and you only hear the mother cussing.

I understood everything that was being said and why the mother was upset. Either you have absolutely no idea on how American holidays work as an American or you are racist.

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Geez, I guess I'm racist. Who knew?

If me thinking there's a better way to handle being offended than yelling at someone (in front of your kids at that), makes me racist, you sir or ma'am are a fucking moron. Good day and all that.

 

[n00bsauce87]

I was stating my opinion. You weren't obligated to respond to my comment. Again, I don't see anything racist about it.
The mother should of handled this better.

So if it wasn't racist, what is there to handle?

wellthatescalatedquickly.jpg

Geez, I guess I'm racist. Who knew?

If me thinking there's a better way to handle being offended than yelling at someone (in front of your kids at that), makes me racist, you sir or ma'am are a fucking moron. Good day and all that.

Well that's the point. That wasn't the goal. The goal was to inform the supervisor of the employee. We know this by first, getting the offender to call her supervisor. Mother then tells supervisor that they have hired a racist in part of their staff. Hangs up.

I think she this part perfectly. And it wasn't towards you, just anyone in general. I don't know you so I can't call you a racist. Sorry for not making that part more clearer

 

[Two Words]

I'm of two minds here.

As a black guy, I think the Halloween comment is ridiculous and African culture shouldnt be treated as a punchline.

As a guy who worked in retail for nearly 10 years, I've had many cases where people lied about/exaggerated things and made similar scenes. I feel like I'm experiencing both possibilities at the same time while watching that.

 

[BearFlexington]

So if it wasn't racist, what is there to handle?





I think she this part perfectly. And it wasn't towards you, just anyone in general. I don't know you so I can't call you a racist. Sorry for not making that part more clearer

I apologize for my reaction. Oh, the irony!

 

[Super_Cobra]

So if it wasn't racist, what is there to handle?





I think she this part perfectly.

There's nothing to handle. She's over reacting. And does a horrible job at bringing this "racist" matter to the supervisor. What if there were other small children at the store and they had to listen to all her profanity? Can I call her a racist if my children were offended by her profanity? It seems like the word "racist" is thrown out there a lot.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

I was stating my opinion. You weren't obligated to respond to my comment. Again, I don't see anything racist about it.
The mother should of handled this better.

You asked a question. Not just stated an opinion. Then when it's pointed out that there are explanations to the questions you asked you pull "TLDR" out.

Not sure why you expect a parent to keep their cool but don't see how insulting children in African dress is what really should be focused on as the net negative of the situation.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

There's nothing to handle. She's over reacting. And does a horrible job at bringing this "racist" matter to the supervisor. What if there were other small children at the store and they had to listen to all her profanity? Can I call her a racist if my children were offended by her profanity? It seems like the word "racist" is thrown out there a lot.

Thank you for being the arbiter of what is or isn't racist. How about you trust us to tell you. Like now.

Or does your definition of racism start and stop with strange fruit and the word "nigger"?

 

[echoshifting]

Can I call her a racist if my children were offended by her profanity?

At this point you need to just stop, you're being ridiculous and you know it.

 

[Two Words]

There's nothing to handle. She's over reacting. And does a horrible job at bringing this "racist" matter to the supervisor. What if there were other small children at the store and they had to listen to all her profanity? Can I call her a racist if my children were offended by her profanity? It seems like the word "racist" is thrown out there a lot.

I think it would be better received it you explained what exactly she did poorly. The main thing I would point to is that she didn't really let the lady explain anything. The mom was basically in "Mama Bear" mode. I've seen it too many times when I worked retail. It's an understandable reaction, but it is still an irrational reaction to some extent. The main thing to criticize her on how she handled it is that she should have allowed the lady to explain what happened according to her. I don't think the mom needs to be respectful or polite, but asking questions and not actually allowing her to give a response is self-defeating.

 

[diaspora]

I'm not going to sit here and read through 10 pages. I read the the first 2 and there was valid points on both sides. I still don't agree with the mother storming in there causing havoc. There could of been other younger children at the store.

"spoon-feed me"

 

[Super_Cobra]

I think it would be better received it you explained what exactly she did poorly. The main thing I would point to is that she didn't really let the lady explain anything. The mom was basically in "Mama Bear" mode. I've seen it too many times when I worked retail. It's an understandable reaction, but it is still an irrational reaction to some extent. The main thing to criticize her on how she handled it is that she should have allowed the lady to explain what happened according to her. I don't think the mom needs to be respectful or polite, but asking questions and not actually allowing her to give a response is self-defeating.

Being respectful and polite will get you to a lot of places. If she would of tried to figure out what happened, talked to the manager in a calmed and respectful manner, then she could of accomplished more. Thats all I'm going to say. There's no excuse for this behavior in a civilized world. I'm done here.

 

[n00bsauce87]

I apologize for my reaction. Oh, the irony!

That indeed made me laugh

 

[Nepenthe]

It seems like the word "racist" is thrown out there a lot.

Because there's indisputably a lot of racism in the world. Instead of complaining about the word that describes the phenomenon, you should complain about the phenomenon. It wouldn't be a waste of energy then.

There's no excuse for this behavior in a civilized world.

If only you thought racism was uncivilized instead of black women defending their children.