Baemono
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I agree with you, but EviLore said we shouldn't be focusing on Orange Man
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Monitoring the situation in Iran
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protonion
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As of March 2026, Iran's submarine fleet is estimated to be between 19 and 30 vessels, though recent conflicts have heavily damaged their operational capacity. The fleet, designed primarily for coastal defense and asymmetric warfare, includes three Russian-built Kilo-class (Tareq-class) submarines, alongside numerous Ghadir-class midget subs.
HoodWinked
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7 months of this and reportedly China's reserves will be dry.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
7 months of increasing oil prices and most of the US will be freaking the fuck out too. Let's hope this doesn't last that long.
DenchDeckard
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I think I might have to buy an electric car if this continues. 
Senua
Member
I think I might have to buy an electric car if this continues.
daffyduck
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No 2 year waiting lists, anymore?I think I might have to buy an electric car if this continues.
Vestal
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I took the plunge 2 weeks ago. Worth it.I think I might have to buy an electric car if this continues.
Gamerfan81
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Alright, this is kind of funny.
HoodWinked
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nvm
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Atomicfear
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Best laugh I've got from a meme in a long time
JayK47
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Gas goes up a few bucks and everybody screams "time to buy electric". Come on. It was higher back in 2008 when every jackass sold their truck and SUV and traded in for an econo-car. I am pretty sure you are still better off with your gas car than buying new. We are currently hovering around 2011 to 2012 prices. And nowhere near 2022 prices. And considering inflation, we are still doing pretty good. Let me know when we blow past $5/gal.
Meicyn
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It's funny you say that, because I entertained the idea of switching to an EV with the price of gas going up again. But I never do a major purchase until after I've done some math.
I have a fully paid off 2014 Honda CR-V that gets around 28 MPG. I installed a ground-mounted solar system in my backyard around 2+ years ago that powers the home and battery backup, so I would be able to charge my vehicle for free most of the time (that purchase will break even in 2033, maybe sooner if electric rates keep going up). Using $10/gal for gas and 10K miles/yr, no expense on electricity for the EV for its entire lifecycle, assuming a $45K EV purchase with $5K trade-in and at least $1K/year more in maintenance costs for my ICE vehicle vs EV, it would take approximately 8 to 9 years before I hit break even. And I'm being very aggressive with my assumptions, I think. The real timeline would likely be a decade or more.
I am ready to switch to an EV, but monetarily speaking it makes little sense for me to do it at this juncture. Or most people, for that matter. If my Honda dies though, it becomes a no-brainer at that point to buy an EV. I hope to get at least five more years out of my Honda by which time EVs will be more mature, with a far larger selection.
Senua
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Tams
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NATO is refusing to join or aid in the blockade.
Ah yes, Keir has pulled out the 'very clear'. He's very serious now and might write sternly worded letters to the US and Iran.
Also, holding a conference about 'restoring navigation' when they well know the only ways to do that.
Us Europeans have become an utter joke.
buttnuggett
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The entire Western world has become a joke. We Americans are trying to uphold it, and we're failing. The good news is that the FIAT currency is gonna fail; that's also the bad news.
Toons
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This is likely strategic.
If they join up then they can be held culpable for the end result.
By letting Trump play this out they are allowing him to bear the full brunt of the outcome whatever that may be. My guess is they anticipate he will fold first.
I think they're wrong in that assumption.
0neAnd0nly
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The same logic as the people who stand by idly as an innocent person is stabbed, or set on fire, beat up without offering to help.
HoodWinked
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I know alot of people love New Dune
Unknown Soldier
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For some context about the Strait of Malacca
China: "We're going to invade Taiwan"
US: "With what oil?"
newtypepilot
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Unknown Soldier
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Yes, there was a plan. We're going to break China's economy so quickly and so bigly that they won't ever have time to worry about invading Taiwan
Unknown Soldier
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This is able to replace 30% of the oil that used to transit the Strait of Hormuz. That doesn't sound like a lot, until you realize the UAE also has an active pipeline and has been exporting 75% of their total export volume this whole time too. Meanwhile the US is quickly ramped up and is able to export 5 million bbl/day from our Gulf terminals, and much of that oil is heading for East Asia
Basically every nation except China should be able to get most of their oil replaced very soon. Good for the world, bad for China which was responsible for importing around 40% of all the oil that transited the Strait, most of it illicit cheap imports from Iran which were officially sanctioned and not allowed but China and Iran were doing it anyways until now since we are blockading the Strait of Hormuz and now have agreements with Indonesia and Malaysia to control the Strait of Malacca fufu~
DenchDeckard
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I do feel that Europe is making sure they stay out of it so that it's fully on Donny and to see how the US handles it.
I'm more than happy with the US taking full responsibility for sorting it all out and I'm sure Trump would want to be able to announce that he has saved the straight.
I'm more than happy with the US taking full responsibility for sorting it all out and I'm sure Trump would want to be able to announce that he has saved the straight.
Critical Hit
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Cutting China off from oil does indeed seem like a good plan, but there's also Russia. That's probably why Trump is reluctant to antagonize Russia.
Unknown Soldier
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Long read about the Strait of Malacca
Hero of Spielberg
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I think many nations have adopted this approach. If the US can't secure the Strait militarily, what chance would they have anyway? Also, given the Trump admins general attitude towards political and economic foreign relations, as well as his refusal to involve others in his plans, why not let him take all the risk now that it has taken an ill turn.
Darius87
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why do you want so much to drag uk, eu into this mess? neither uk nor nato countries have any obligation to do this.
is america innocent here?
i would say it's smart not to get involved into desperate man mistake.
your country turning into dictatorship state little by little that's not upholding western values, that's destroying it.
0neAnd0nly
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Go on, tell me who is good and bad in this war. You answer it for me.
Unknown Soldier
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They don't. They are completely impotent. No military of their own, entirely dependent on energy imports because no domestic energy production besides Norway, did I mention they are still importing LNG from Russia and funding the war on Ukraine?
StueyDuck
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Darius87
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there's no good actor's in this war, your example is way off.
DenchDeckard
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Yeah, this makes sense to me.
Signalis
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You have no idea what a dictatorship is.
0neAnd0nly
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Not taking a side / inaction. I expect nothing less.
Darius87
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hmmm.... should I support terrorist regime who support other terrorist regimes or should i support manchild with 40 word vocabulary who support terrorist regime, which been invading my country in past, though decision.
Senua
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It's gonna be almost impossible for this thread not to have criticism aimed at Trump
Unknown Soldier
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Then it's time for this thread to be permanently locked and not reopened
Baemono
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Pretty much
Senua
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Or we have nuanced discussions and disagreements without resorting to shit flinging
StueyDuck
Gold Member
So much nuance in only one direction though...
Baemono
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50 shades or Orange
Madserb2023
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I find this whole situation getting more odd. I get that Trump is an idiot and the US isn't too hot at the moment but that doesn't mean you side with Iran or China and increasingly Russia bizarrely. Hearing politicians talking in Europe about having to buy more LNG off Russia even though obviously the US sells LNG is very early 20th century antagonist politics. China pretty much every year does it's annual training testing a blockade around Taiwan. Get ready for a $10,000 phone when that happens. It's very much like the 1930s when many European countries backed the Nazis because they hated the Soviet Union/Russians including the Catholic church.. What Europe needs to do is become dependent on itself but if we are moving towards China as a response to Trump then we are repeating the past. We are putting ourselves in an impossible situation if China invades Taiwan.
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