Dubbedinenglish
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Someone needs to photoshop Khan holding up a L instead of a constitution.
Monmouth, A+ Rated Pollster on 538 - Hillary 50% Trump 37%
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did you drive through downtown Decatur?
The traffic near in the Atlanta area frightens me.
Baron von Loathsome
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Meanwhile, at Republican Party Headquarters:
djplaeskool
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Thunder Monkey
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Trump is imploding to such a degree, much earlier than I expected.
Texas is going swing state this election cycle, just nobody knows it yet. it will swing back slightly in 2020, before going blue in 2024.
And from there Republicans are screwed.
Though in a near historic wave election of 13%, Texas could go blue this cycle by a tiny amount, swing back in 2020 before trending blue in 2024. Similar to what happened in North Carolina.
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THE POWER OF BUTTERSCOTCH BOTTOMS
Narpas Sword0
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Evidently not
A Human Becoming
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People in this thread are getting ahead of themselves. Let's see how poll numbers are next month and October before we consider Georgia and Texas as possible pick ups.
whyamihere
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She's going to need to build that infastructure now if she wants to have solid GOTV opperations in AZ and GA. She's already started in AZ.
Basileus777
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Texas sure, but Georgia has been close all year.
A Human Becoming
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I'm sure the campaign knows what it's doing.
Georgia is definitely the most viable state to take from Republicans alongside Arizona. Whether or not it's worth putting resources toward it is something else.
Georgia would be a victory lap, not necessary toward winning.
Sure, but putting in the work in Georgia helps to build what the future Democrat coalition will look like. Not hard to imagine Dems being strong in heavily-black southern states again one day while Republicans eventually take states like PA.
I think Georgia is worth putting resources into this election, but more ambitious states than that, probably not. Would rather see them play it at least a little safe. I just think GA is close enough to swing state territory to be worth going for it and accelerating that process, like NC in '08.
Brian Griffin
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Nah, don't turn such an epic picture into a meme. It's perfect as it is.
Seems like Johnson's eating into trump's numbers. And I can only imagine it'll continue to happen as more people realize there's a choice.
EDIT: imagine if trump refuses to debate? Master stroke would be inviting johnson to debate. Would be more likely to harm trump than Clinton. The ideologies of their politics are so vastly different I doubt there'd be many he'd be able to take from Clinton.
EDIT: imagine if trump refuses to debate? Master stroke would be inviting johnson to debate. Would be more likely to harm trump than Clinton. The ideologies of their politics are so vastly different I doubt there'd be many he'd be able to take from Clinton.
preach it!
Basileus777
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Where is Trump going to go? It'd be too late to replace him on the ballot.
PA is about as red as it's going to get on the presidential level unless the GOP manages to swing educated college voters, minorities, and the suburbs back in their direction. Maximizing the angry white vote isn't going to work the same way it used to in the South because the GOP has already reached saturation point with that constituency and still has to contend with the large urban centers of the state.
Could a Republican along the lines of Charlie Dent win a state like PA? Absolutely, but someone like him would have to run the gauntlet of a national primary, and I can't see that happening unless we see what happened in Kansas last week replay itself across the country.
Republicans haven't had the spectre of having a big fat loser at the end of the election for a long time. Romney and McCain were at least competitive for long stretches of their presidential campaign.
Lord Frieza
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I get what you're saying, but it's a different situation. The polls between Obama and Romeny were very close at the time, and there were several times when national polls had them neck and neck.
But
Keep this in mind: there has only been a single time when Trump has been ahead of Clinton, and that was only by about 3-4% in a single round of national polls after the RNC. But if you looked at electorate polling, Trump has never been ahead of Clinton, even though it's gotten close (in a similar way that Romney was never consistently ahead of Obama in the electorate). And the discrepancy between Clinton and Trump now is much larger than it ever was during the 2012 election, even as it ended. Even the national polls, which are generally easier to manipulate, show Clinton in a really demanding lead. Sorry, but that's not "meaningless." For a candidate to be this far behind this early in the election is pretty uncommon. Add that to the continued fracturing of the GOP away from Trump, and you have a candidate whose chances seem slimmer and slimmer. There's still 3 solid months away, so it's not impossible to see a turnaround, but Trump and the GOP blew the chance for a total turnaround. If Trump wins, it's going to be by the skin of his sagging balls scrapping on the ground over the finish line. Barring some crazy incident like...I dunno, Hilary executing Billy Graham on national TV.
The only person with the power to stop Trump from being the nominee in three months is Donald Trump.
You honestly think he's going to walk away?
Ninja Scooter
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No chance. At this point losing in November is better for the Donald Trump brand than quitting in August.
rokkerkory
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I hope he loses by 15 pts or more
PlayALLtheGames
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I hope for the biggest loss in history. It's the only thing that has the chance to convince the Republican Party it's going to have to evolve.
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So can both the House and Senate not be controlled by the GOP anymore plz?
I've even heard that many people are saying it.
Thequietone
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Naw you'll see these two excuses after he loses.
Trump's base/Trump: "We didn't win because the establishment sabotaged him."
Establishment: "We lost because we didn't pick a real conservative."
Who are these people? Can you cite them? Are they actual members of the intelligence community? No, random people from the dark corners of the internet do NOT count here. He'd actually do better just attacking her on issues then continuing with this conspiracy theory crap.
crackhead_bob
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What factions would need to go on the chopping block for that to happen? Or more succinctly, which of the odious factions could they keep and get away with keeping, all the while not alienating themselves from the rest of the population? For example, as much as I've never been a fan of smoking, I wouldn't be troubled with the GOP maintaining ties with the tobacco industry in the same way that I'm troubled whenever they rule in lockstep with the NRA. I may be in the minority by saying that some of their economic positions in the early 1990's were somewhat reasonable, at least from my perspective, but then I was more of a centrist back in the 1990's, and figured that the Pat Buchanan faction of the republican party was a passing fad that would eventually correct itself. But having said that, I feel the only salvation for them over the long term is to jettison the tea party faction from within
whyamihere
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WRONG THREAD
As a person that supported Bernie and thinks that Hilary is a very smiley, damn near sociopathic person who will champion some things that the country doesn't need more of (more hawkishness, cozening up to special interests while passing largely token regulations for show, support of Israel): I still agree completely.
This might be true, but they were off the deep end on economic and social policy prior to the tea party.
crackhead_bob
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My big concern is how American voters tend to be apathetic during elections. I hope everyone is keeping aware of how the Brexit vote played out in the U,K. and that a Donald Trump presidency is a very real possibility. And if for no other reason, I'm hoping that they have the inevitable Supreme Court vacancies in mind this November.
Thats not something id ever expect to hear about cruzifer
I get it, but it's August, and your posting this on a video games forum. Nothing said on this website will influence the election. So unless Hillary completely implodes, I'll relax until November.
Brexit was a lot closer than this. And was a simple majority not the EC used in our election. Not really the same thing.
Ninja Scooter
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Seriously. Some people act like if you say "HILLARY WILL WIN" three times in front of the bathroom mirror Trump will appear or something. Relax.
Bullshit, this attitude breeds complacency. The more people who put their feet up and consider it a done deal hamper HRC's chances, as we see in the midterms every four fucking years.
Ninja Scooter
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People need to stop equating predicting a HIllary win with complacency. Until people start saying "Man Hillary is going to win so I'm not going to vote!", the fear mongering is unnecessary.
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He is anti-citation lol
StopMakingSense
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Man, the sloppy photoshop job on his twitter banner is something else.
Jzero
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I was thinking the same thing.
This isn't the midterms. How exactly does this breed complacency? Fear mongering is annoying
Exactly. No one is telling people to stay home.
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/poll-clinton-opens-double-digit-lead-over-trump-n625676
Clinton up by 10 in latest NBC poll. In the immediate aftermath of the convention she was up 8 in this poll and after the RNC she was only up 1. This is more confirmation that her convention bounce is continuing to grow.
Real Clear Politics aggregate for the last month:
Clinton up by 10 in latest NBC poll. In the immediate aftermath of the convention she was up 8 in this poll and after the RNC she was only up 1. This is more confirmation that her convention bounce is continuing to grow.
Real Clear Politics aggregate for the last month:
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