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What do you guys think of all the so called "alien artifacts" that have been found


Some crazy shit out there

10 Mysterious Artifacts That Are Allegedly Alien - Listverse

Some say alien life forms have visited Earth throughout history. However, such claims are difficult to prove. Most UFO sightings and abductions are easy

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That website probably just caused me some brain cancer.

 

[The Brooklyn Brawler]

That website probably just caused me some brain cancer.

That was caused by all the SPACE RADIATION

 

[Kamina]

That was caused by all the SPACE RADIATION

Nah, the bullshit on that website doesnt need any support to be cancerous,

 

[TylersProphecy4.0]

Lol, PM me on it or some shit. I know you have an opinion on it.

 

[Slings and Arrows]

We'd prefer every thread about space didn't get derailed with conspiracy theories. If you post conspiracy theories about the moon landing/Apollo missions being faked, or Flat Earth conspiracies, outside of this thread, you will be banned in order to keep discussions on-track. Discussing those conspiracy theories will be permitted in this thread.

Thanks.

Trying to silence the conspiracists, eh?

This space conspiracy thread sounds like a Neogaf conspiracy, and the only people who can help solve this mystery are the hardy boys.

 

[Weilthain]

Lol, PM me on it or some shit. I know you have an opinion on it.

In all seriousness I don’t know anything about hollow earth. I thought that was just a troll.

May as well post some YouTube vids or something let’s figure this shit out

 

[Plague Doctor]

The only fringe theory I subscribe to is that human civilization is more than likely much older than we are led to believe. I am not talking high tech civ or aliens, I believe there could have been bronze age civ even 15,000 -20,000 BC with an sizeable extinction event that reset things back to zero for the survivors.

I don't think a 'conspiracy' holds this back. I think institutionalized hubris from academia has a neat narrative and they subconsciously don't want their work to be rendered obsolete.


Oh, I definitely believe there is other life and civ in the universe. It's fucking dumb to believe we are alone and the theories used to postulate that border on the absurd. Though, I don't believe they have been here. UFOs are black ops tech, imo.

Edit: BUT I wouldn't be surprised if I was wrong on this second point. I am open minded to compelling evidence. I just won't see any odd thing as evidence of alien visitation like a rube.

 

[TylersProphecy4.0]

In all seriousness I don’t know anything about hollow earth. I thought that was just a troll.

May as well post some YouTube vids or something let’s figure this shit out

Yeah, no trolling. Everything from ancient cultures seeing two sons when living near the north pole to admiral bird literally flying into an Antarctic ice cave In the surface during a military funded expedition that I BELIEVE was also being covered live on the radio. Then theres the Smithsonian, shambhala lore, the celestial solenoid theory, etc.

Ok, I've got homework to do. Consider me on the case.

See ya in two months, everybody!!!

IM GOING IN.

Edit: not necessarily hollow earth, but look into bird. While flying over the Antarctic, he reported crazy shit, like more natural resources like, lying around I guess, than any other nation on the planet. If I remember correctly, he even went live on talk shows, saying how Antarctica was goingnto change life on this planet, it was so resource heavy. Then, I wanna say 2 to 6 months later, mum is the word on Antarctica, from then to present day. That, plus the fact that every major country send heads of state there every year and yeah, SOMETHING is going on down in antarctica.
Something IMPORTANT.

 

[Slings and Arrows]

Americans made it to the moon but couldn't get the astronauts back. The astronauts knew this and it was a suicide mission.

Armstrong, Aldrin and 3rd guy were filmed in a studio in the Nevada desert - which is the same place where they practice/d moon landings and mars rover trials - and the studio was in Hanger 18. This is the footage that was used and broadcast live and goes a long way to explaining the strange phenomena we see on camera.

There are theories of 'Aldrin' and 'Armstrong' talking about not being alone and seeing aliens/other craft. This is a combination of; magnetically-induced audio and visual hallucinations (The same phenomenon that causes people to 'see' ghosts) and the stress of the mission.

Nowadays we can or could, get back to the moon, but it is so risky on human life and it could potentially throw the vault open on the truth, that we don't tend to bother and instead send drones. It's also a lot cheaper.

Flat earth was designed as a conspiracy to throw people off of the moon landing conspiracy.

 

[Slings and Arrows]

The only fringe theory I subscribe to is that human civilization is more than likely much older than we are led to believe. I am not talking high tech civ or aliens, I believe there could have been bronze age civ even 15,000 -20,000 BC with an sizeable extinction event that reset things back to zero for the survivors.

I don't think a 'conspiracy' holds this back. I think institutionalized hubris from academia has a neat narrative and they subconsciously don't want their work to be rendered obsolete.


Oh, I definitely believe there is other life and civ in the universe. It's fucking dumb to believe we are alone and the theories used to postulate that border on the absurd. Though, I don't believe they have been here. UFOs are black ops tech, imo.

I agree with this, though I believe it's older than 15,000-20,000 years. I would say 150,000 - 200,000 years and we saw some 'incredible' advances. Not Iphones and the internet, but more bronze age, like you suggest. The great flood events that all religions talk about, were the original 'homo sapiens' that were wiped out, with the exception of a few people, who had to start again.

Life outside of Earth is proven. The theory of Panspermia, is the most widely recognised theory of how life arrived on Earth. If Life arrived here, then it originated elsewhere.

 

[The Brooklyn Brawler]

Trying to silence the conspiracists, eh?

This space conspiracy thread sounds like a Neogaf conspiracy, and the only people who can help solve this mystery are the hardy boys.

 

[Weilthain]

According to some flat earthers the hollow earth stuff that came from admiral Byrd was after his death in a book or something, I may not be 100% on that.

basically they made up the hollow earth shit to make him sound like a loon is the story so no one would take him seriously.

seems to have worked.

 

[Plague Doctor]

I agree with this, though I believe it's older than 15,000-20,000 years. I would say 150,000 - 200,000 years and we saw some 'incredible' advances. Not Iphones and the internet, but more bronze age, like you suggest. The great flood events that all religions talk about, were the original 'homo sapiens' that were wiped out, with the exception of a few people, who had to start again.

Life outside of Earth is proven. The theory of Panspermia, is the most widely recognised theory of how life arrived on Earth. If Life arrived here, then it originated elsewhere.

Yeah that's the issue. Any metal and wood items and structures would be rendered dust in the matter of thousands of year. Stone would remain but there is the issue of erosion. Proof would be scant but weathering and knowledge how the climate changed on stone gleens hints to the actual age.

I am lead to believe this as the official narrative has us going from transient hunter-gatherers with no written language to astronomical minded, skilled engineers (Sumeria) in the matter of a thousand or so years. That initial leap would take longer. I can believe if there was the build up to that in a formal civilization, extinction event happened, some people retained the info or it was rediscovered, and civ rebounded. That's more believable than cave art > massive social works projects.

 

[Slings and Arrows]

Yeah that's the issue. Any metal and wood items and structures would be rendered dust in the matter of thousands of year. Stone would remain but there is the issue of erosion. Proof would be scant but weathering and knowledge how the climate changed on stone gleens hints to the actual age.

I am lead to believe this as the official narrative has us going from transient hunter-gatherers with no written language to astronomical minded, engineers (Sumaria) in the matter of a thousand or so years. That initial leap would take longer. I can believe if there was the build up to that in a formal civilization, extinction event happened, some people retained the info or it was rediscovered, and civ rebounded. That's more believable than cave art > massive social works projects.

I've watched Ray Mears' entire collection of survival and he spends a lot of time with the most ancient tribes around the world, that still live like they did in the hunter-gatherer age. These tribes are highly evolved for what they do and how they live, yet none of them smelt, mine ore or create grand buildings etc. They are masters of their landscape, but seem to lack the 'drive' to want to go do more.

What boggles my mind is that there is a real gap between Hunter-gatherer and advanced civilisation. It seems to be very one or the other.

To go full nutcase conspiracy mentalist, I would say that there's a link between Atlantis, a great flood and a previous advanced civilisation from ages ago.

 

[The Brooklyn Brawler]

Know what's weird

Theres cou ntries where folk are still in 2019 living in mud huts and running about with straw underwear yet in medieval times Europeans were building magnificent buildings.

 

[Plague Doctor]

I've watched Ray Mears' entire collection of survival and he spends a lot of time with the most ancient tribes around the world, that still live like they did in the hunter-gatherer age. These tribes are highly evolved for what they do and how they live, yet none of them smelt, mine ore or create grand buildings etc. They are masters of their landscape, but seem to lack the 'drive' to want to go do more.

What boggles my mind is that there is a real gap between Hunter-gatherer and advanced civilisation. It seems to be very one or the other.

To go full nutcase conspiracy mentalist, I would say that there's a link between Atlantis, a great flood and a previous advanced civilisation from ages ago.

Atlantis is an allegory. But, I hardly think it's fiction. There was a time when Atlantis and Troy were relegated to pure fiction and to believe anything else was nonsensical. That is... until we found Troy. And bare in mind, Troy was a more fantastical story in the Illiad compared to account of Atlantis which was more tame by comparison.

So I don't know if there was a place formally called Atlantis but I think it's a placeholder for a civilization that was real. Also, Plato cited he learned about Atlantis from the Egyptians* so we aren't even getting something like Troy as some uber myth crafted by the source. We are getting what he felt was an agreed upon but not understood historical account, and then used as a metaphor where he peppered in what he thought was history.

Edit: *The Egyptians referred to the Atlanteans as warring seafayers people that had a level of technology that surpassed their own. And hinted at a shared lineage with this civilization.

But... you think Atlantis is nuts? See what the Indians and the Chinese say about their ancestry. And they have some compelling proof in the form of impossible engineering and complex scientific understanding that puts most of the rest of the world to shame.

 

[TylersProphecy4.0]

According to some flat earthers the hollow earth stuff that came from admiral Byrd was after his death in a book or something, I may not be 100% on that.

basically they made up the hollow earth shit to make him sound like a loon is the story so no one would take him seriously.

seems to have worked.

I still look to ancient cultures, saying they sailed past the north pole, inwards. Shit, boating expeditions until the 19th century claimed this weird arc where the met a ton of resistance, like going up hill, then going back down like theyd gone over the top of a ridge. They reported large flocks of land birds where there should have been none as well as dual suns. A lot of ancient cultures claim this is where "the giants" went.

And then theres the myth of shambhala.

Hollow earth is definitely it's own thing.

 

[The Brooklyn Brawler]

Cheers everyone you are giving me tons of great stuff to read about in work

 

[TylersProphecy4.0]

I've watched Ray Mears' entire collection of survival and he spends a lot of time with the most ancient tribes around the world, that still live like they did in the hunter-gatherer age. These tribes are highly evolved for what they do and how they live, yet none of them smelt, mine ore or create grand buildings etc. They are masters of their landscape, but seem to lack the 'drive' to want to go do more.

What boggles my mind is that there is a real gap between Hunter-gatherer and advanced civilisation. It seems to be very one or the other.

To go full nutcase conspiracy mentalist, I would say that there's a link between Atlantis, a great flood and a previous advanced civilisation from ages ago.

John keel had this theory he had based on an old scifi story called "wings over america" I believe, where the story basically talks about how the world ends but a section of society withdraw with their own set of tech and that may have been what happened on our earth, past humans living seperate from their under developed counter parts, perhaps interacting or influencing them every now and then.

Edgar Casey said atlanteans had aviation fueled by crystals. He also said all humans, before a point, were basically thought forms. Who the fuck knows.

 

[The Brooklyn Brawler]

Maybe the real reasons for all the government conspiracies is down to religion all along.

Almost the entire world is invested in the idea of a God of some kind.

To reveal that to be untrue would literally rip society apart

 

[The Brooklyn Brawler]

Almost fucking shat myself there cause of the stuff this thread has filled my head with

A guy in the train station im in who obviously has some sort of sore throat shouted on a kid called Elliott and I fucking thought it was ET behind me

Instantly thought "oh no they're here!!!"

 

[TylersProphecy4.0]

Maybe the real reasons for all the government conspiracies is down to religion all along.

Almost the entire world is invested in the idea of a God of some kind.

To reveal that to be untrue would literally rip society apart

I read this REALLY crazy blog where a dude believes that space, though we see it, is also a symbolic metaphor for an altar to the gods and that every space mission has been a ritual of sorts, while physically being an actual mission to space, also setting other cosmic wheels of fate in motion.

I cant deny that the space programs (and most major science endeavors) aren't steeped in esoterism.

 

[Plague Doctor]

Maybe the real reasons for all the government conspiracies is down to religion all along.

Almost the entire world is invested in the idea of a God of some kind.

To reveal that to be untrue would literally rip society apart

It's a good theory. Organized religion is a social construct that serves to keep society relatively together. It was much more effective in previous times.

I mean I can go all cynical and atheist on you but I will concede this:
How many people don't kill and other horrible things because it goes against their religious teaching? Even if we say 10% or 5%, that's kind of scary to consider. The thing that keeps someone from being a sociopathic, opportunity killer is belief in mythology (religion is mythology),

 

[The Brooklyn Brawler]

I read this REALLY crazy blog where a dude believes that space, though we see it, is also a symbolic metaphor for an altar to the gods and that every space mission has been a ritual of sorts, while physically being an actual mission to space, also setting other cosmic wheels of fate in motion.

I cant deny that the space programs (and most major science endeavors) aren't steeped in esoterism.

The truth if it's out there could never be revealed.

Billions of people base their life around their beliefs.

If you blow those beliefs apart it would be the end of civilisation

 

[The Brooklyn Brawler]

It's a good theory. Organized religion is a social construct that serves to keep society relatively together. It was much more effective in previous times.

I mean I can go all cynical and atheist on you but I will concede this:
How many people don't kill, steal, and other horrible things because it goes against their religious teaching? Even if we say 10% that's kind of scary to consider. The thing that keeps someone from being a sociopathic, opportunity killer is belief in mythology (religion is mythology),

On the other hand how many people DO kill because of that same mythology.

 

[Plague Doctor]

On the other hand how many people DO kill because of that same mythology.

Mindfuck, right?

A Devil's Bargain.

 

[The Brooklyn Brawler]

Can you imagine how fucking unbearable it would be if God turns out to be a black transgender vegan in a wheelchair

 

[TylersProphecy4.0]

Maybe the real reasons for all the government conspiracies is down to religion all along.

Almost the entire world is invested in the idea of a God of some kind.

To reveal that to be untrue would literally rip society apart

Fun fact: every major religion on earth had its beginning with a royal family or lineage.

That's the biggest evidence religions were created to control humans I can cite.

 

[ROMhack]

I'm more a fan of flat moon theory

 

[Weilthain]

I'm more a fan of flat moon theory

Oh we got a joker in here

 

[Tesseract]

why we got spheres

 

[Weilthain]

why we got spheres

Gravity.

that is the answer to all this nonsense.

 

[The Brooklyn Brawler]

"Sphere" is a really really annoying word to say

 

[Plague Doctor]

My favorite thing in the world is hearing flat earth supporters explain how satellites, cell phones, and gps work.

I get some popcorn. I kick back. I let them unveil their explanations.

 

[The Brooklyn Brawler]

My favorite thing in the world is hearing flat earth supporters explain how satellites, cell phones, and gps work.

I get some popcorn. I kick back. I let them unveil their explanations.

But do you think that's how they all work because they TELL you that's how they all work?

 

[Plague Doctor]

But do you think that's how they all work because they TELL you that's how they all work?

With the sheer amount of people who work in infrastructure, engineering, developmental, diagonstics, setting up even consumer satellite dishes, etc, etc, etc...

Bruv, that conspiracy must pay damn well for all of them to keep their fucking mouths shut. I want in. I will back the lie of a round earth for that cash.

 

[Weilthain]

With the sheer amount of people who work in infrastructure, engineering, developmental, diagonstics, setting up even consumer satellite dishes, etc, etc, etc...

Bruv, that conspiracy must pay damn well for all of them to keep their fucking mouths shut. I want in. I will back the lie of a round earth for that cash.

They are real things they are just suspended from balloons.

the people making them believe in the space maths. It all works out on paper.

But really it’s a load of shit

 

[The Brooklyn Brawler]

Balloons would burst eventually there must be something else

Perhaps a team of steroid enhanced humming birds working a 24hr shift pattern

 

[Airola]

I'm more a fan of flat moon theory

I believe there are no round things anywhere. A ball is an illusion. We see those objects as round because our eyes make them look like that because eyes are round.

 

[Plague Doctor]

They bolt them directly onto the very firmament. The firmament is sturdy and can handle a heavy load like the space station. Sometimes wires are used.

I am guessing it's like a big sports arena and there are catwalks up there. Makes sense.


Edit: That's it. I believe in Sports Arena Earth. Boom. Zambonis keep the icewall in place. Prove me wrong haters.

 

[Weilthain]

Balloons would burst eventually there must be something else



Perhaps a team of steroid enhanced humming birds working a 24hr shift pattern

I just know you are thinking of a party balloon

 

[The Brooklyn Brawler]

A foil helium one saying "congratulations you found the truth"

 

[Weilthain]

They bolt them directly onto the very firmament. The firmament is sturdy and can handle a heavy load like the space station. Sometimes wires are used.

I am guessing it's like a big sports arena and there are catwalks up there. Makes sense.

 

[Omega Supreme Holopsicon]

There are so many unknown aspects how the hole communication setup was.
Maybe the questions were prerecorded and send to the ISS. Maybe everything was live. How was the communication between NASA and the person who was asking? Maybe everything was prerecorded so that TV show viewers can enjoy a nice show without any delays.

The ISS is moving with 17500 mph. Lets say The ISS is directly above the US so NASA can send the signal straight up --> no delay. 10 Minutes later the ISS is now on the other side of the globe. So NASA is sending the signal to a relay station in space then to another station then maybe back to a station on earth and then back to space to catch up with the moving ISS. Every jump from one relay to another causes a delay.

So many unanswered questions but of course the easiest explanation NASA is faking all this because this is the only explanation that fits your beliefs.

Have you stated your position on why they would fake the footage yet? ...

I think it could be something as easy to explain as space is more dangerous for humans than we like to tell people or too expensive so, to keep the money for research and the dream of space travel alive in the hearts of the public, they would fake a few videos if need be.

I don't say the only explanation is that, but it is a possible explanation. But even at times , in videos, when they are showing 11 second delays to respond they are reacting instantly within the same video. Another gaf user commented that even at the nearest point there is a half second delay.

Why would they do that? Well rockets have 1-2% failure rate, even the space station itself ain't exactly safe. Manned launches have significantly less failure rate than multimillion dollar satellite launches.

• % Manned Failures in Manned, Entire Data Set = 1.64%
• % Manned Failures in Manned, Last 20 Years = 0.79%
• % Unmanned Failures in Unmanned, Entire Data Set = 8.08%
• % Unmanned Failures in Unmanned, Last 20 Years = 6.68%

What is the success/failure ratio of space bound rockets?

There are thousands of satellites orbitting our planet and everyone of them got there from a rocket launch. I know that when a launch fails it is practically always a catastrophic failure, otherwis...

space.stackexchange.com

Could be extra care, or could be they fake them to avoid the loss of funding and bad press that would happen from a deadly accident killing astronauts.

Keep in mind that even with best most optimistic lowest odds of failure it is still about 1 in 200 chance of rocket failure. Doing 100s of trips, and sooner or later astronauts are going to die for no reason. Improving robotics to do the experiments is a much more ethical course of action. Putting people's lives at risk should be avoided unless absolutely necessary.

Dude on the left is clearly trying to cross his arms, then decides it's a bad idea in zero gravity.

What he's doing could be debated, but looks more like he's moving an object from one hand to another and putting it on the side, but only grabbing thin air. I've heard the official explanation is that he has a nervous tick and does random hand movements, though.

Lag is minimal if the space station is directly above Houston (about half a second or so depending on how the signal is relayed through the TDRSS), but becomes considerably longer if the ISS reaches the far side of the planet because the signal has a much longer travel distance.

The ISS is in constant movement though, doing about 16 orbits per day.
And some of those reactions are instant, not half a second delay, or so it seems.

 

[Slings and Arrows]

Atlantis is an allegory. But, I hardly think it's fiction. There was a time when Atlantis and Troy were relegated to pure fiction and to believe anything else was nonsensical. That is... until we found Troy. And bare in mind, Troy was a more fantastical story in the Illiad compared to account of Atlantis which was more tame by comparison.

So I don't know if there was a place formally called Atlantis but I think it's a placeholder for a civilization that was real. Also, Plato cited he learned about Atlantis from the Egyptians* so we aren't even getting something like Troy as some uber myth crafted by the source. We are getting what he felt was an agreed upon but not understood historical account, and then used as a metaphor where he peppered in what he thought was history.

Edit: *The Egyptians referred to the Atlanteans as warring seafayers people that had a level of technology that surpassed their own. And hinted at a shared lineage with this civilization.

But... you think Atlantis is nuts? See what the Indians and the Chinese say about their ancestry. And they have some compelling proof in the form of impossible engineering and complex scientific understanding that puts most of the rest of the world to shame.

Did Plato ever cite sources that weren't real or verifiable? I don't remember hearing that he was a chronic liar or full of shit. Maybe there's some truth in what he says?

The only bits i know of the Indians come from lessons in school and Ancient Aliens. Though the baghavad ghita (Spelling?) has detailed descriptions of surgery and how the human works from millenia ago and before, iirc, any other civilisation.

 

[Plague Doctor]

Did Plato ever cite sources that weren't real or verifiable? I don't remember hearing that he was a chronic liar or full of shit. Maybe there's some truth in what he says?

The only bits i know of the Indians come from lessons in school and Ancient Aliens. Though the baghavad ghita (Spelling?) has detailed descriptions of surgery and how the human works from millenia ago and before, iirc, any other civilisation.

Totally my point. He was using what he believed as a historical account for a further discussion on, I believe, the failings of a utopian society. And that's the telling point. He assumed that his contemporary audience knew it as well as rooted in history. You don't assume that if it's wholecloth myth and bullshit.

I don't know if Atlantis was the actual name for this civ or if he adapted it to Hellenic Greek. I think that is lost to the ages. But something is very real there.

 

[Omega Supreme Holopsicon]

Regards flat earth


I'm interested to see what the flat earthers response to that video is going to be. As it claims the famous flat earth curvature formula is wrong, and the curvature drop rate is far slower than suggested by the 8 inches per mile squared formula.

 

[Weilthain]

Regards flat earth


I'm interested to see what the flat earthers response to that video is going to be. As it claims the famous flat earth curvature formula is wrong, and the curvature drop rate is far slower than suggested by the 8 inches per mile squared formula.

I think I’ve heard it’s effectively accurate up to 8000 miles before it starts to go off but I will need to check my space maths on that one.

 

[Weilthain]

Here’s a video claiming bull crap on the curve.

Any mathematicians want to have a crack at this? I play the accordion, space maths is for losers.

 

[zeomax]

Here’s a video claiming bull crap on the curve.

Any mathematicians want to have a crack at this? I play the accordion, space maths is for losers.

Yet the space math is right if you use it accordingly