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More "Hot Coffee" repercussions
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I don't think it will have a significant impact long-term. They'll get it back on the shelves just in time for the holidays, and it'll sell like hotcakes. It boils down to, "Will the increase in sales because of this press make up for the time it's off the shelves?" I think it will.sonycowboy said:
What are the other Xbox GTA sales to date by month? It'll be interesting to see the comparison 6 months from now.
sonycowboy said:
Well I dunno about the rest of Europe, but it makes no difference in the UK whatsoever. San Andreas is already rated by the BBFC(British Board of Film Classification). An 18 rating is:
the film or game is only suitable for adults (persons aged 18 or over). It has an adult theme and contains strong scenes of sex or violence that could be quite graphic. It may also contain some very explicit language. It is an offence for a shop to supply an 18-rated video, DVD or game to anyone below the age of 18.
Personally, I have to say the ESRB is a load of bollocks. The violence in GTA including killing cops and normal people going about their business surely deserves the highest adults only rating. It seems to me, the ESRB is just a convenient shield for publishers who can sell unsuitable content to kids. I'd like to know, exactly what kind of violent content does it take to get an AO rating?
Soul4ger said:
I always agreed with your point here. I was on something else. Property of Microsoft's post felt like it was hate at GTA as a game and at Rockstar for making a game like this. I say there's nothing wrong with that. We shouldn't prevent ourselves to create a game like GTA (wich is more decent, intelligent and well-made then MANY games out there imo) or fear the ratings and censoring our creations. GTASA, even with the hot coffee scene, is still decent. Put an AO on it as this rating should be used FREAKIN MORE OFTEN anyway.
Another thing that i think is wrong: Discriminating games with a particular rating.
Wallmart is not my mother. Their jobs is to try to offer me the widest range of products possible at the best competitive price possible. Business entities having a reputation like human beings? They are selling stuff, not doing something bad or wrong.
(now don't take it to the other extreme please. Store still shouldn't sell illegal stuff or things that goes beyond decency like dangerous weapons, snuff movies, dangerous chemicals and such.)
The Guivre
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Perhaps this is a stupid question, but how difficult was the hot coffee mod to obtain. I can't really conceive of many 13 and 14 year old kids pulling off modding anything. And also, where the Hell are the parents during the whole process?
Things that could have prevented this:
"Hey son, what are you downloading?"
"Honey, I don't think this game is appropriate for you"
"This game is only for people over 17, see the rating?"
I do have to also wonder about leaving this sort of code just sort of hanging about in the game. It seems a little strange to just leave loose ends like that in a finished product, then again I'm not a programmer or anything so perhaps it was just easier that way. Though somewhat irresponsible.
Though I have to agree this won't really send ripples of change through the industry or anything like that. It'll just be another flash in the pan. A few politicians will spew their usual lines about protecting kids from the perverted, sexist and violent game industry. Parents will vote for them but continue to buy their kids games without even a second thought. Kind of sad really.
Things that could have prevented this:
"Hey son, what are you downloading?"
"Honey, I don't think this game is appropriate for you"
"This game is only for people over 17, see the rating?"
I do have to also wonder about leaving this sort of code just sort of hanging about in the game. It seems a little strange to just leave loose ends like that in a finished product, then again I'm not a programmer or anything so perhaps it was just easier that way. Though somewhat irresponsible.
Though I have to agree this won't really send ripples of change through the industry or anything like that. It'll just be another flash in the pan. A few politicians will spew their usual lines about protecting kids from the perverted, sexist and violent game industry. Parents will vote for them but continue to buy their kids games without even a second thought. Kind of sad really.
Wyzdom said:
I've had this argument a dozen times on more forums than I can remember, so I won't go through it again. All I'll say is that I disagree with the content of the GTA games and, IMO, their content is done for shock value...and probably to hide the fact that the games have very little real depth. If you think that's wrong then whatever...that's your choice and I don't want to argue about it. FWIW I'm completely against censorship and I don't think we should have to accept censored games. But that doesn't mean that I find the violence in GTA acceptable...it feels like a cheap fix of violence that's unjustified and pure "Look how violent this is! Isn't it cool!" shock-factor. Maybe I shouldn't bother replying and just call people whiny bitches like a mod has just done
Yes, the open is design is fun...it's one of the few things that I like about the game. Being able to choose which series of missions you do lets you customise the way you play...BUT it means that the story in the game is usually disjointed. I'd prefer to have one progression of missions instead of several. It would really help their storytelling (their weakest element, IMO). It's just a different type of game to what I prefer...I like games where the emphasis is on learning gaming skills
The GTA games are horribly buggy though. I don't know how anyone can argue that these kinds of flaws are acceptable...being too ambitious is no excuse for allowing game-ruining glitches and bugs. Not to mention the horrible draw distance, pop-up and far too basic textures and everything else that doesn't fall under those categories
sonycowboy
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AirBrian said:
The other GTA double pack was released during the holidays.
People always say "wait for the holiday". It never helps releases this far away from the holidays. See Fable, KOTOR, Splinter Cell: PT, & Ninja Gaiden.
GTA:SA will get NO pick up for the holidays at all on Xbox. With the 360 coming out, a ton of PS2 games, some big gamecube games, a wealth of DS games, a few well placed PSP games, it will not be able to rise back up.
There appear to be only 2 more even possible Million sellers for the Xbox. Madden and Half-Life 2.
I'd say Madden was for sure given that it has NO competition from NFL 2k and is in it's second year of Live, but with the 360 release around the corner, I'm not at all sure Xbox fans won't hold off for the 360 version.
For Half-Life 2, you've again got the issue of a long delayed port (of an excellent game), which while it will be great, it will have a very big uphill climb to get anywhere near a million sales.
123rl said:
GTA's violence is not acceptable as hundreds of other games out there now. People should be consistent with what they think is ok or not and cry at a shitload of other games.
GTA does not demand you to hit the old lady with your car or kill the hookers. It's all consequences of the player's actions. GTA is full of substance and this is shadowed by people that don't see it's genuine and just play the game dumbly (< this word exist?).
This game is giving you ALOT of consequences on your actions and i think it's great. More game should be like it. To me it really help the immersion.
In Gran Turismo 4 there's people taking pictures of my car and sometimes they are right in front of me and they almost get hit by my car. In a better Gran Turismo game i would have made possible for those people to be hit by the car. This would give more tension and hazardous possibilities when you race heck enhancing the adrenaline feeling. It would not render the game bad or undecent, but better. I wouldn't be entice to kill to people, it's not my fun -- but the game can demonstrate realistic consequences so it become event more evident that, in this example here, the game is a "sim" racer.
In GTA there is alot of things that happen as consequences of YOUR bad acts. I think it shows that the game is more advanced than many others. [/QUOTE]
123rl said:
Agreed. I wish i was the game designer here, i have ideas for freeroaming game scenario to end up being really hot. One day, one day.
123rl said:
I don't know if "horribly" applies. I'm 150 hours of play without any major bug right now. The game didn't froze, i didn't got stuck with my character even if i carefully explore everywhere. Also, just by it's design, this game is really hard to test properly.
Just imagine how many different instances it is possible to create in this game to test the AI and the scripted events. Just imagine how many different walkthrough order/process you can come up with to properly test it so there's no walkthrough break.
Take the huge environnement of this game and imagine yourself doing the collision tests.
I honestly thing they did a good job. There's too many stuff that is possible to do in this and in a different order. It renders it extremely difficult to test believe me.
Hellraizah
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GTA = good game design ? That's debatable.
When I tried GTA (3 and Vice City), I felt that progressing in the game was a chore. The only reason I was doing the missions was that I wanted to get to the end, and that was my only motivation. I didn't have any fun, and most of the times, missions felt like a chore to me and doing them more than one time was extremely boring. There a lot of missions where skills weren't really required to do them as there was always one way to exploit the buggy game code to do them in a cheesy way.
If this is what open-ended gameplay is about, count me out.
When I tried GTA (3 and Vice City), I felt that progressing in the game was a chore. The only reason I was doing the missions was that I wanted to get to the end, and that was my only motivation. I didn't have any fun, and most of the times, missions felt like a chore to me and doing them more than one time was extremely boring. There a lot of missions where skills weren't really required to do them as there was always one way to exploit the buggy game code to do them in a cheesy way.
If this is what open-ended gameplay is about, count me out.
Seems like word about all this controversy has spread like wildfire. Today at lunch I saw a guy at the Spec's Music register with 10 copies of San Andreas for both consoles. I was tempted to buy one of each myself as there were still some left but at $54.99 it's about $5 too much. It was also the only store still carrying as KB, EB and Gamestop finally took theirs off shelves, even the used copies.
I'm not worried about future repercussions with Liberty City Stories and the Next GTA, but I guess you never know. With these events and knowing everybody will be on their ass watching, Take 2 and Rockstar better keep their accounting practices and numbers clean as a whistle just in case.
I'm not worried about future repercussions with Liberty City Stories and the Next GTA, but I guess you never know. With these events and knowing everybody will be on their ass watching, Take 2 and Rockstar better keep their accounting practices and numbers clean as a whistle just in case.
monchi-kun
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Pellham said:
FRYS....they carry porn.
There were about 10 of the PCDVD versions left. I'm sure T2 can send them the extra stock
btutterrow
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Someone on the IGN boards (yeah, I know, they suck) stated that people are getting $110+ for their sealed copy on Ebay. The internet is an interesting place.
monchi-kun
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i'm waiting for one myself....this is a landmark moment in the videogame industry and I want to own an AO version of GTA:SA
distantmantra
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PS2 and Xbox versions are $35 at Fry's.
Hell, Fry's carries porn, so I don't see them taking this off the shelves.
Hell, Fry's carries porn, so I don't see them taking this off the shelves.
monchi-kun
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distantmantra said:
not just porn....TENTACLE PORN!!!!
Mr_Furious
Member
None of this bullshit would be an issue if the fucking ESRB would adopt the MPAA's rating system. That way there'd be no confusion and the content in question could be directly compared to that of a movie counterpart, for the game's defense. This whole thing is beyond retarded as far as I'm concerned.
monchi-kun
Member
whoever thinks that sex is worse than violence hasn't had sex.......i really think Chelsea Clinton was adopted.
damn, typing fater than my head can catch up
damn, typing fater than my head can catch up
sonycowboy
Member
909er said:
However, people expected it to hit 1M that holiday season (Holiday 2003) and it didn't even come close. Once it hit platinum status, sales picked back up, but it didn't hit a million until December of 2004. It was only @ 579k in December 03 after it's first two months sales of 400k (July & August)
monchi-kun
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I don't see Bill Clinton making a big fuss over this....that man has more than his priorities straight
sonycowboy
Member
monchi-kun said:
Yeah. They should go up to Hillary and tell her that she can spout off about GTA once she can control her sex addicted husband who likes to put Cigars in questionable places.
monchi-kun said:
It's always interesting to see the kind of people that gather around the blocked off hentai section at Fry's. You've got your giggling curious teenagers, your creepy middle-aged guy nervously looking around to see if anyone's watching him, and your balls-out hentai fan that feels no shame in openly browsing the selection as families walk past him.
monchi-kun
Member
i think Hilary needs some Hot Coffee
Mr_Furious
Member
When was the last time any ignorant parent sued a movie company over questionable content?Vlad said:
Issues like censorship and American society's puritanical aversion to sex over violence effect the world in far more influential ways than the shelf fate of some videogame. Debating them exclusively from that standpoint shows a serious lack of worldly perspective.
The matter in this case comes down to Rockstar damaging the freedom of the industry to self-regulate its content by deceiving the review panel into verifying the appropriateness of explicit material to a demographic that includes minors.
The matter in this case comes down to Rockstar damaging the freedom of the industry to self-regulate its content by deceiving the review panel into verifying the appropriateness of explicit material to a demographic that includes minors.
NintendosBooger
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Lazy8s said:
How dare you use reason?
Expected reply to your post:
"Well, it's not like today's kids haven't seen SOME porn already! This is nothing new!"
AirBrian said:
The holidays? You mean like, when parents buy games for their kids? Trust me, sales will be down. Parents didn't give a damn about GTA before but they've all seen the news by now, and to most parents of young kids it's "this video game is the equivelent of a porno".
It's not, but that's how the media is making it out to be. Parents won't listen to their kids when they go "well they took it out".
With that in mind, it won't sell badly, just less than it would have.
I think this could even effect sales of the PSP GTA this fall, at least sales by parents (and let's face it, the portable gaming market -- yes, even PSP), is still mainly a younger audience. I doubt the PSP will go to PS2 levels of maturity by this Christmas. Again though, not by much.
I got to thinking though.. Would anyone put it past the ESRB to rate the future versions of GTA (GTA4, GTA PSP -- although the PSP version is far less likely) AO anyway? Let's face it, it's not like the minigame was a huge thing that sent it over the edge. The media attention around it was. If you take out the hot coffee minigame then it's pretty much the same game content wise.
Perhaps with stuff like GTA4, which will obviously be more risque due to being more realistic, than GTA:SA, ESRB will decide the games really are worthy of AO ratings.
theREBELins
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I can't wait for Hot Coffee on the go this Fall on PSP!