The Faceless Master
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so i played the demo and it really makes me sad that they fucked this up...
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Mortal Kombat Arcade Kollection - August 31st Release |OT| (almost) Sega Saturn'd
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Phat Michael
Banned
how does anyone finish this game? even playing on easy levels of UMK3 the AI is just so terrible...i dont see how to get these achievements at all. im not sure i want to play this anymore its just ruined my memory of what i thought were great games..
infinityBCRT
Member
My take on MKAK: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cejlgTpVjrA&feature=channel_video_title
So much sighing, and so much of me saying "I'm disappointed".
So much sighing, and so much of me saying "I'm disappointed".
Phat Michael
Banned
has anyone used Sub zero in MKII - his freeze sound happens twice every time you do it? also, i cant believe how unresponsive the controls are even in 1P offline mode.
im doing inputs that just arent recognised, like literally nothing is happening when i do them with my arcade stick.
the terrible AI is another thing i wish they fixed...being thrown halfway through an uppercut or a sweep even on very easy is just rubbish.
im doing inputs that just arent recognised, like literally nothing is happening when i do them with my arcade stick.
the terrible AI is another thing i wish they fixed...being thrown halfway through an uppercut or a sweep even on very easy is just rubbish.
sixteen-bit
Member
Funny how MK fans are in the same camp as ST fansshuri said:We are NEVER going to get good home ports of the original mk games
infinityBCRT
Member
Capcom should just re-release STHDR with GGPO and have original sprites as an option. Would that be enough to make ST fans happy?_dementia said:Funny how MK fans are in the same camp as ST fans
gutter_trash
Banned
yes, original rules with original spritesinfinityBCRT said:
Phat Michael
Banned
Apoc87 said:
its terrible in every way. online, offline - everything. the sounds are out, the inputs are out. sometimes they just dont register. also, i KNOW the original game had some dodgy Ai, but ive considered myself to be quite decent at MK games, ive now continued about 15x on "very easy" on MK2 and i just cant finish the game. no matter what you do, the computer pre-empts your move then does something thats impossible.
i.e. - u jump and kick, after you jump, they will jump and kick vertically.
you uppercut, they throw
u sweep, they throw
u block, they punch u a few times then when u let go of block they uppercut or throw
im used to playing 2 player in the arcade so never REALLY realised this too much - i could finish the games in the arcade on 1CC but as i said...after 15 continues im not even up to Motaro/Kintaro or whatever.
This is supposed to be very easy..i dont see ANY difference between this and very hard...its the same bullshit cheap AI - i know there are supposed to be ways around this, but if the inputs and controls are fucked then reallym theres nothing to do.
the furthest ive gotten is using baraka and spamming his blade slice (BBB LP) non stop but it only registers about 1 in 3 times i do it...
infinityBCRT
Member
Phat Michael said:
I won't complain about the AI too much, thats how its always been. 16-bit home versions had softened AI but the arcade was hard as hell. MK2 on PC was also hard as hell. I never was able to beat that game. Getting past Kintaro was a rarity and I never took more than a round off of Shao Kahn. That was also when the home versions had a limited credit system.
I just want them to get these games to a passable state, I'm not even worrying about enhancing them. Remember the heady days when we thought we were going to get a kick ass HD version? I think now we know why they weren't able to pull that off-- they can't even pull off the SD versions.
The inputs being fucked is what's annoying me most. My friend and I tried playing this last night, and it is a real shit-show. Pad, TE stick ... doesn't matter. The game doesn't control very well, and I don't recall MK controlling like this.
The input delay after pausing the game is mad annoying as well. I didn't even bother with impressions before buying this -- it's 10 bucks for three MK games -- but man, I really wish I did.
Save your money. It's a slap in the face.
The input delay after pausing the game is mad annoying as well. I didn't even bother with impressions before buying this -- it's 10 bucks for three MK games -- but man, I really wish I did.
Save your money. It's a slap in the face.
Phat Michael
Banned
infinityBCRT said:
i dont remember the AI being this bad. i had MK1, 2 etc on SNES and MK3 as well. the problem is we have come to "accept" this as MK AI and we shouldnt. the computer doenst even play by the same rules and its just so frustrating. no matter what i do, i now cant get past shang tsung right now. no matter who i use...its ok if the hard difficulty did this i GUESS but to be "very easy" and still have the same BS tactics? i can only usually beat 2-3 guys before i lose over and over and have to resort to cheap tactics to try and win.
they could have made this so much better - arcade perfect ports with less cheap AI. anyone who has played against Jade in UMK3 knows what i am talking about for sure.
i dont mind boss characters being a bit more difficult but when the 4th person u fight reads your EVERY move and can throw/uppercut you in the middle of a move then i think it realy needs to be addressed.
this game is so frustrating because i remember loving MK so much...i wish this was fun to play but honestly..its probably one of the worst games i own which saddens me as an MK fan.
BattleMonkey
Member
The arcade AI always cheated
Phat Michael
Banned
OMG! u get this too? i paused, held block, unpaused, doesnt register and i died.OSHAN said:
to me, i cant do ANY of the double tap or triple tap moves on a stick..and the qcf/b moves work 1/3 times for me. im no retard either, im decent at MVC3, SFIV, MK9 etc..
im with u, i didnt even get the demo, i just bought it on blind faith thinking= how can they POSSIBLY fucking up 3 arcade games made in the 90's on this hardware?
MK never controlled like this btw...this version does...i could pull off moves in the arcade and fatalities all the time...ive pulled off 2 fatalities...thats it so far. and i havent been able to finish ANY of the games, not once.
Phat Michael said:
Yep. This game screams "Eh, good enough."
I swear the window for inputting a fatality is even less when you pause the game as well. The FATALITY message will pop, pause game, look at fatality, start game, stand there like an idiot because my dude can't move, he moves, fatality window ends.
What a crock of shit.
Phat Michael
Banned
yeah and with that - im going to stop complaining. ive unplugged my arcade stick and ill never touch this piece of shit again. there is no point getting this frustrated or trying to do cheap maneuvers when i can play:
- Blazblue
- MK9
- SFIII
- SFIV
- MVC3
which are all fantastic games. well i guess they got their money out of me so thats what matters...there are so many other games to play and im not going to waste my short free time on this.
- Blazblue
- MK9
- SFIII
- SFIV
- MVC3
which are all fantastic games. well i guess they got their money out of me so thats what matters...there are so many other games to play and im not going to waste my short free time on this.
Phonomezer
Banned
Phat Michael said:
Yeah... but that's besides the point. I'm sure there are people like me out there who aren't really into fighting games but love Mortal Kombat. Unfortunate situation. Can't believe they canned the HD remake FOR THIS.
infinityBCRT
Member
Live?Cmagus said:
I'd love to see an MK1 scrub league, I think it would be entertaining because its probably one of the most accessible fighting games ever made.
Phat Michael
Banned
Phonomezer said:
the sad thing is i AM into fighting games and i love MK...and thats why this is such a let down. was so amped for this really and its such a let down. i guess the only time to play it would be 2 player offline coop...but with the inputs being fucked it really DOES make the game totally unplayable.
i liked MK9 but had a soft spot for the older MKs...its a shame i wont be able to play them now, unless i get the PCBs for my supergun..
So does anybody know which MK1 version the game is based on?
There's so many revisions of that game... For example, can you crash the game by doing the Scorpion teleport glitch on Shang Tsung? Can you do infinites in the corner with the fast punch jumpers? (Cage, Kano, Raiden)?
There's SOO much there. I'm guessing it'll probably be based off MK1 1.4, which is just boring as fuck.
There's so many revisions of that game... For example, can you crash the game by doing the Scorpion teleport glitch on Shang Tsung? Can you do infinites in the corner with the fast punch jumpers? (Cage, Kano, Raiden)?
There's SOO much there. I'm guessing it'll probably be based off MK1 1.4, which is just boring as fuck.
diffusionx
Gold Member
infinityBCRT said:
Am I insane here, or is this a joke post? HDR does have the original sprites as an option... and while it doesn't use GGPO I think, it does use a GGPO-like system... and it's very good. Of all the complaints about HDR, I don't think the multiplayer was one of them (though it was a bit spotty).
infinityBCRT
Member
No, its definitely live. That "Coming up on giantbomb" box is for live stuff. They aren't at PAX anymore. They did the Panel there on Friday, were there until Sunday. And then recorded the Bombcast either Monday night or Tuesday morning from their offices.Cmagus said:
infinityBCRT
Member
HDR's original sprites options are shitty from what I remember. Theres no original backgrounds (which is a sticking point) and I don't think there are any filter options for the original sprites either so if you want original sprites you get blurry original sprites on the new backgrounds. I don't think theres an option to filter them or to pixel double them. Been a while since I messed around with that but I do remember they didn't include the original backgrounds because that was back when XBLA had ridiculous size limits.diffusionx said:
diffusionx
Gold Member
infinityBCRT said:
Yea, this all sounds right. Fair enough.
The Lamonster
Member
Sucks that I wasted $10 on this. It looked so promising...
infinityBCRT
Member
Oh wow, even the tips are wrong (giantbomb points one out in their quick look)
You were right. I just noticed that when you roll over an item on their calendar it will say LIVE if it is live. I never knew they put up pre-recorded stuff in the calendar too until now.Cmagus said:
infinityBCRT
Member
No, they've done live quick looks before. The day that MK9 came out I think they also Quick looked Socom and Portal 2 and that was all live. Theres been other live Quick looks too. I follow these guys on twitter so I see them post about live QL's once in a while.Cmagus said:
We all know how crap this is by now, but here's Giant Bomb's review anyways
Its just disgusting how bad this turned out. Way to rush out a collection to capitalize on MK9's success.
Its just disgusting how bad this turned out. Way to rush out a collection to capitalize on MK9's success.
Phonomezer
Banned
What's an acceptable ping for a game like this? Lowest I have seen was around 180, and the game was still in slow motion.
infinityBCRT
Member
For the record, last night I got on UMK3 XBLA (2006 release) and played two games and they ran flawlessly. It brought tears to my eyes.
Emperor Bohe
Member
how much people are playing these games online? how hard is it to find a lobby?
Roland Deschain
Member
Phat Michael said:
What? The enemy AI is cheap as hell in MK II but they have one BIG flaw. All you have to is wait till they get near you and just jump away from them. Most of the times the AI will wait a second and jump towards you. By the time they jump you'll have landed and can pretty much do what you want. High kicks, roundhouse kicks, special moves etc.
The big flaw in MK one AI is that they can't defend jump kicks. At all.
Phat Michael said:
Oh god, I remember that happening to me on that Midway Arcade classics game on the PS2. The CPU would duck every projectile with their lightning quick reflexes. I remember being able to beat it by spamming Shiva's Down-Up teleport stomp somehow but playing my normal Sub Zero or Reptile I had no chance.
infinityBCRT
Member
With UMK3 (which wasn't in MAT) its a little easier to attack due to the jump in with punch combos that you can do.krae_man said:
Rekki-Maru
Banned
Emperor Bohe said:
longest i had to wait was about 2 minutes, and that was on mk1. there's alot of people playing this online.
GAF, I just bought this at midnight central time (against my better judgement and your impressions), ps3, and as soon as i booted up the game for the first time i got an update (1.01 i think , but dont quote me on that), has anyone else got this since they booted the game on last? Or did the kollection update as soon as you guys bought it also?
I played a couple games of mk1 and mk2 on very easy with scorpion. I actually got a little far in mk1, and in both games my spear came out every time. I also couldn't notice any latency or basic inputs misfiring. I didn't try the pause lag thing.
I am using a TE stick that came with mk9.
EDIT: didnt try online either. Sorry, too tired to go back and try either.
I played a couple games of mk1 and mk2 on very easy with scorpion. I actually got a little far in mk1, and in both games my spear came out every time. I also couldn't notice any latency or basic inputs misfiring. I didn't try the pause lag thing.
I am using a TE stick that came with mk9.
EDIT: didnt try online either. Sorry, too tired to go back and try either.