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What makes this idiotic? Do you think Forrest Whitaker's character was expecting a faithful 1:1 translation, or a more Western-friendly localization?
Movies that work on as many levels as possible
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What makes this idiotic? Do you think Forrest Whitaker's character was expecting a faithful 1:1 translation, or a more Western-friendly localization?
So you're asking for movies where the character's actions and the mechanics of the universe make sense?
Hardest genre to do that would probably be horror but if any horror movie has done that well I'd have to give it to the two Conjuring films. Most of the characters' actions in those films make sense and everything has an explanation aside from why the fuck they would keep that chair in the house after everything that happened after Conjuring 2, but to be fair that's probably because they're base don true stories so that might be cheating. It's one of the few horror movies where the initial response to the paranormal is to run screaming from the building and call the cops and the ghost doesn't stop just because there are cops in the room.
Trick r Treat covers its tracks pretty well, too.
Hardest genre to do that would probably be horror but if any horror movie has done that well I'd have to give it to the two Conjuring films. Most of the characters' actions in those films make sense and everything has an explanation aside from why the fuck they would keep that chair in the house after everything that happened after Conjuring 2, but to be fair that's probably because they're base don true stories so that might be cheating. It's one of the few horror movies where the initial response to the paranormal is to run screaming from the building and call the cops and the ghost doesn't stop just because there are cops in the room.
Trick r Treat covers its tracks pretty well, too.
He approached her as though someone speaking chinese was recorded or something, instead of realizing that any situation of a linguistics professor trying to decode what was really on there would be more akin to asking them to figure out what dolphins are saying. IRL I don't think that scene would have happened like that, it was just exaggerated for dramatic effect but that took me out of the movie a bit.
I figured you knew just there are not many legal situations on the internet I can pull this knowledge out on so I had to post.
But if you are making a documentary to inform the audience of something, I'd say you have an obligation to be as truthful as possible. But I am aware there will always be some inherent biases in every film. But most films will hold up better if they attempt to at least portray current factual info about some of the subjects they are trying to depict.
CarpeDeezNutz
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Lmao I know how feel.
With the BB reference, how would you cut it anyway? Or just not make it as pure? Don't really know much about how it would work in regards to Meth.
Glass Rebel
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Ah yes, Arrival that doesn't only treat linguistic determinism as an absolute fact but completely runs to the far end of the universe with it. Truly, only an intelligent individual such as yourself can appreciate the highly scientific nature of this.
One can be entirely factual yet still be massively biased. For example, using bias by omission.
I don't know what to make of this post other than it sounds like you are still really dwelling over a joke that ended on page 3.
"Joke"
Glass Rebel
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You can take it as a reminder that you are neither smart nor very funny.
phazedplasma
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What a disaster of a thread.
Yeah, a movie can be completely factual but one might argue that the reasons for the movie being made are biased, but I'm mainly interested in any movie that attempts to be as factual as possible, director's motive aside. Unless the info being omitted drastically changes the context of the narrative they are trying to tell, obviously that's dishonest too. There are documentaries that do a good job of falling into those traps though.
CarpeDeezNutz
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I will say it irks me when I see a depection of djing and the person is not doing what you hear.
I already know I am not a very good or smart person, but duping several people on a message board with a harmless prank that I've already forgotten about but many are still bothered by apparently is not one of the reasons why.
He totally understood that. He wanted to 1) gauge if she had any remote idea what kind of linguistic styling it might be using relative to early rudimentary languages and 2) see how she approached it relative to everyone else he was visiting.
He wasn't hoping that all it took was bringing a 30 second clip for scientists to decode an entire extraterrestrial language. That's ridiculous. You read that interaction wrong. Come on, Mr. Smarty Pants.
I think you are confusing art with an encyclopedia.
I realize this, but obviously presenting a video would be better given how most of their job would/did require decoding the written, not just spoken, part of their language
Haha holy shit what a perfect response
The comic would be more accurate if the figure on the left was pretending to be a pseudo intellect and the two figures on the right started getting super angry and confused and took the bait. Hardly anyone called me out on it until I ended it myself, and therefore the prank was a success. Anyway...
I realize this, but obviously presenting a video would be better given how most of their job would/did require decoding the written, not just spoken, part of their language
again, incorrect.
Up until she got there, they only had audio. They didn't receive the written portion until she made her attempts, if I'm not mistaken. Not to mention showing that much classified intel to someone unvetted.
phazedplasma
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not sure how the "prank" works....
people thought you were an idiot at first
then you had your big "reveal"
people still think you are an idiot
their opinions of you havent changed
people thought you were an idiot at first
then you had your big "reveal"
people still think you are an idiot
their opinions of you havent changed
John Kowalski
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"I'm going to act like a bit of a twat on an internet message forum!"
"Surprise! I'm not actually a bit of a twat on an internet message forum, although I'm still acting like a bit of a twat on a message forum!"
"Ho-ho! What a prank!"
Are there not documentaries and fictional films that try to be informative? I'm not saying they should only be 100% factual, but should put more effort in depicting things realistically/accurately because it makes the experience more immersive and magical for me.
No, I went from thinking he was a smartass to thinking he was a dumbass.
So you don't think a military official marching into a linguistics professor's office with a recording of an extraterrestrial's voice (which may or may not even be expressing what we know a language to be, BTW) and demanding that she decode it on the spot was the most realistic way that would have gone down, and not dramatized in a heavy handed way to some degree?
eddievanclaylen
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That new Robocop movie was surprisingly awesome. Very good.
The desired effect was getting catharsis from seeing an overwhelmingly negative reaction to a kind of personality I have a negative reaction too but still seems to get a lot of respect for some reason. I'm definitely not smart enough to be truly gifted at satire, but that is still basic satire/mockery. Anyway, I'm over it and am trying to discuss the topic now, so I won't be responding to anyone who hasn't moved forward from page 3.
edit: the fact that so many still seem to be genuinely upset by my obvious trolling earlier continues to be kind of amusing to me, though, I admit.
edit: for anyone still confused about whether I embody my intentionally douchey persona on page 1-3 ITT, I'll let my post history speak for me.
ElectricBlanketFire
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Is this still part of the "satire?"
I think what you mean to say is "I was acting like an asshole, sorry."
I personally have no interest in your "realism" argument. I was speaking more on it being "idiotic" and your interpretation of why he did it. I kind of reject the arbitrary realism metric you're using for these fictional movies that wholesale include things that stretch "realism" for the sake of better stories.
There are a ton of movies that include mostly realism. They're often dramas. But when we're talking genre flicks, then I think you have to start accepting that your own personal metric of "what could happen" might be different from others. Genre movies being internally consistent with themselves is more important than arbitrary judgements of realism, especially relative to nonfiction works.
I mean obviously I don't want Star Wars to feel as real as Interstellar or 2001. My main beef is when movies try to aim for realism as a goal but hold back on that more than they need to. I should've been clearer about that in OP.
Edit: also including things like plotholes, lapses in logic, and contradictions within the confines of the rules of the world a movie's story takes place in
Not sure how to cut it my experience is mostly with Coke and Heroin, but at the least it would drive prices up if pure. Of course maybe that did happen and it's why BB junkies are stealing ATM machines,LOL.
Let's define "all levels" in a more general/broadly acceptable sense. How about films that work as a (1) comedy, (2) drama, and (3) romance that contain (3) plausible-in-movie-world action that moves the plot and reveals character, (4) provides a sense of adventure, (5) features complex, multi-layered world building that extends to the landscape, it's history, and it's inhabitants, (6) represents both sides of an argument with equal, and well reasoned fervor, (7) has memorable characters, (8) pithy dialogue, (9) indelible imagery, (10) doesn't contradict itself, (11) has no more that one coincidence that occurs very early on (no later than act 1), (12) is timeless, (13) captures the Zeitgeist of the year/era it was released,(14) is wholly unique, (15) a gold standard example of a genre, and (16) captures a clearly defined aspect of the human condition.
Good luck.
I'd suggest Die Hard, A New Hope, and Princess Bride come close to achieving all those levels.
Good luck.
I'd suggest Die Hard, A New Hope, and Princess Bride come close to achieving all those levels.
I don't know a much better way to word it TBH, and yeah, it can be subjective to a degree, but basically - if there are movies that have very little content that undermines the messages/stories they're trying to tell and the impact they're trying to have on audiences, I'm curious as to what some examples of those movies are. Nothing that seems unintentionally dumb, funny, an careless oversight, etc.
For example, a Vietnam movie where few soldiers would say "it's was nothing like that" and are more likely to endorse it. Like, my dad was in Vietnam and always said Platoon was the most realistic war movie he ever saw. He was also a firefighter though and said Rescue Me was not accurate in regards to portraying what going into a fire was like.
My buddy who served in Afghanistan said Restrepo was as truthful as a war doc could be though. Maybe a professor in linguistics could give such an endorsement for most of The Arrival, I don't know. Neil Degrasse Tyson said Interstellar was very accurate (aside from the moment after it shows what's in the Black Hole, which even science has no answers for, but still seemed implausible).
When in doubt, imagine a movie about a certain subject and what an expert in that subject might say or would say about it.
EDIT: and again, I'm not saying movies that ignore things that make them more accurate to history, science, the laws of their own constructed universe, etc, are garbage, but I do think it's reasonable to say when they are as truthful to those things as possible they hold up better and are more immersive.
Back-In-Black
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I'm, dying!
Prince of Space
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Or maybe he just wanted to test her abilities quickly, and under pressure, and so gave her an impossible task to see how she would react before he brought her onboard?
Vampirolol
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If you are so intelligent, why do you need realism in a movie? Can't you just appreciate how it's made?
Good god!!!
this is a jpg what the fuck
it's not, it's just called one (imgur does funny things), like http://i.imgur.com/AVpHdZa.png
here's the original http://imgur.com/AVpHdZa
Did either of you even read this latest 4th page in the thread before posting?
Is this post still part of the joke?
I am confused by your topic title. Usually when people say when fiction works at many different levels they mean you can look at it with many different interpretations and levels of understanding, literal, figuratively and symbolically. Those are movies when you can revisit again and again in different periods of your life and become aware and get something new out of them each time.
What you're asking for just sounds anal retentive
What you're asking for just sounds anal retentive
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