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[Snowman Prophet of Doom]

Did you happen to notice how they subvert the good guy / bad guy thing? Doesn't take a genius to figure it out. But it's not quite black and white either.

Also, movies are often better the less they explicitly elaborate and I'd say 2001 is equally sparse, if not more so, with its storytelling than Blade Runner. There's 40 minutes of dialogue in a 2 hour movie. Honestly, if ever there was a 'visual' film, it's fucking 2001.

A) They may "invert" the good guy/bad guy thing (not really, since Roy is still a crazy murderer at the end, even if he DOES save Deckard), but it's hard to care about this fact when the "hero" is a stilted, wooden detective with no real personality nor depth and the "villain" is a robot seeking humanity but not actually displaying any depth at any point in the film. It's a film about the nature of existence with not a single interesting character to give that study any context or interest in the mind of the audience.

B) 2001 IS a visual film, but unlike Blade Runner, it uses those visual aspects both to build its world and to propel the story forward. What characters there are are more realistic and have greater depth than those in Blade Runner (not to mention being better-acted; Keir Dullea in that movie destroys Harrison Ford's entire career, and that's not to mention the fantastic voicework on HAL, who is an example of how to do an AI character well (inadvertently giving ITS study of the nature of existence more poignancy than the movie explicitly about that subject)), and what's happening is more visually interesting, since Kubrick's use of music often gives the movie a rather comic, dance-like feel, rather than merely droning on over long shots showing off how good the models and miniatures are.

Blade Runner has its visuals, and I'll never take those away from it. But they represent 99% of the film's quality, and I think that a work has to go beyond mere technical excellence to represent greatness, especially "top 10 of all time" greatness. 2001 stakes a definite claim to that list, given not only the transcendent quality of its art but also import to the sci-fi genre. The disparity in quality is absolutely massive.

 

[_Isaac]

I just saw Senna. I have to say it was pretty good.

Spoiler

I didn't know he had died, so it was pretty tense around the end when they started focusing so much on the car and that one race at the end.

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

A) They may "invert" the good guy/bad guy thing (not really, since Roy is still a crazy murderer at the end, even if he DOES save Deckard), but it's hard to care about this fact when the "hero" is a stilted, wooden detective with no real personality nor depth and the "villain" is a robot seeking humanity but not actually displaying any depth at any point in the film. It's a film about the nature of existence with not a single interesting character to give that study any context or interest in the mind of the audience.

B) 2001 IS a visual film, but unlike Blade Runner, it uses those visual aspects both to build its world and to propel the story forward. What characters there are are more realistic and have greater depth than those in Blade Runner (not to mention being better-acted; Keir Dullea in that movie destroys Harrison Ford's entire career, and that's not to mention the fantastic voicework on HAL, who is an example of how to do an AI character well (inadvertently giving ITS study of the nature of existence more poignancy than the movie explicitly about that subject)), and what's happening is more visually interesting, since Kubrick's use of music often gives the movie a rather comic, dance-like feel, rather than merely droning on over long shots showing off how good the models and miniatures are.

Blade Runner has its visuals, and I'll never take those away from it. But they represent 99% of the film's quality, and I think that a work has to go beyond mere technical excellence to represent greatness, especially "top 10 of all time" greatness. 2001 stakes a definite claim to that list, given not only the transcendent quality of its art but also import to the sci-fi genre. The disparity in quality is absolutely massive.

I would agree with your entire take of Blade Runner, Snowy - were it not for the bolded which seemed like a very cheap way to overlook Scott's excellent means of crafting an absolutely palpable sense of atmosphere and mood that acts as the beating heart and soul of the film.

 

[Snowman Prophet of Doom]

I would agree with your entire take of Blade Runner, Snowy - were it not for the bolded which seemed like a very cheap way to overlook Scott's excellent means of crafting an absolutely palpable sense of atmosphere and mood that acts as the beating heart and soul of the film.

Okay, yeah, I'll grant the atmosphere, but I still hold that there's a lot of dead space.

 

[Meliorism]

Anyone here have an account on Letterboxd?

via some random user on the site http://introvertial.posterous.com/letterboxd-a-social-network-for-film-lovers

 

[_Isaac]

GAF is good enough for me.

 

[Buckethead]

Okay, yeah, I'll grant the atmosphere, but I still hold that there's a lot of dead space.

I'm coming in the middle of your guys' conversation but I think it's silly to compare 2001 to Blade Runner.

Also I think the "dead space" and "atmosphere" are entirely the point.

The narrative is barebones so that the movie relies wholly on mood, setting, and atmosphere,
allowing the viewer to infer what's going on and thus draw their own conclusions.

Nothing is given, it's entirely subjective.

 

[Discotheque]

holy shit, dat unmolested coverart indeed. Day one.

Also what's up with Dead's avatar....actually wait what!? Dead has an avatar.

 

[TheKaeptain]

Hey Buckethead is back...and dead has an avatar.

 

[swoon]

Anyone here have an account on Letterboxd?

via some random user on the site http://introvertial.posterous.com/letterboxd-a-social-network-for-film-lovers

do you have an account? the screenshots don't talk about how to share/discuss movies just reviews, which isn't really the same. i doubt i'll enter my watches on another site not named ICM, but if it was easy to share/talk about movies i might join

 

[Sliver]

Hunger- Really good. Couldn't understand them a bit with the accent at the beginning but it unraveled to just be really well shot and very absorbing.

Tucker and Dale vs Evil- Fun but convenient comedy. I love Alan Tudyk, the interaction between him and his brother was great and I thought a lot of the gags were pretty funny. Silly and fun watch.

Just got Heat and 13 Assassins on Bluray from my Reddit secret santa, so I've got those to watch. Along with two Korean flicks: Voice of a Murderer and Save the Green Planet.

 

[Gattsu25]

oh mah gawd

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=8014

dat unmolested artwork

SO MINE!!!

 

[Meliorism]

do you have an account? the screenshots don't talk about how to share/discuss movies just reviews, which isn't really the same. i doubt i'll enter my watches on another site not named ICM, but if it was easy to share/talk about movies i might join

No, I don't. I think the site looks fine from that image, but I also question how many different social media sites we need. But that comes from someone that uses Criticker/Mubi/ICM regularly.

 

[Net_Wrecker]

Ugh, why aren't there more great pulpy adventure movies, and Conan style "swords and sorcery" stuff made. I've been on a genre kick starting with action movies on the weekend, and have somehow ended up here and come to a realization that there simply aren't enough great films in the aforementioned categories. I wish studios would stop making crime/dramas, and big budget CG filled crap, and superhero movies, and cotdamn artsy farty stuff, all of which I love, and make some fun movies again....gotdammit

More hard sci-fi too.

/rant

 

[Fallout-NL]

A) They may "invert" the good guy/bad guy thing (not really, since Roy is still a crazy murderer at the end, even if he DOES save Deckard), but it's hard to care about this fact when the "hero" is a stilted, wooden detective with no real personality nor depth and the "villain" is a robot seeking humanity but not actually displaying any depth at any point in the film. It's a film about the nature of existence with not a single interesting character to give that study any context or interest in the mind of the audience.

I never saw it that way. I think Deckard was enjoyable to 'follow', since he acts as the vessel through which the viewer navigates that wonderful city. I also like how he doesn't seem to have appreciation for the fact he is human. By contrast, Roy and Pris want it badly, yet they wouldn't know what to do with it if they did manage to attain it. I thought they were tragic characters in that sense. That feeling of exaggerated mortality resonated for me. And in some ways I think Blade Runner is in a better position to evoke an emotional response, doves notwithstanding.

Especially the 'I've seen things you people wouldn't believe' part is incredible.

B) 2001 IS a visual film, but unlike Blade Runner, it uses those visual aspects both to build its world and to propel the story forward. What characters there are are more realistic and have greater depth than those in Blade Runner (not to mention being better-acted; Keir Dullea in that movie destroys Harrison Ford's entire career, and that's not to mention the fantastic voicework on HAL, who is an example of how to do an AI character well (inadvertently giving ITS study of the nature of existence more poignancy than the movie explicitly about that subject))

You're not wrong here. HAL is a fascinating character.

Blade Runner has its visuals, and I'll never take those away from it. But they represent 99% of the film's quality, and I think that a work has to go beyond mere technical excellence to represent greatness, especially "top 10 of all time" greatness. 2001 stakes a definite claim to that list, given not only the transcendent quality of its art but also import to the sci-fi genre. The disparity in quality is absolutely massive.

You are thoroughly underestimating just how unique Blade Runner looks. And come on man, 'mere technical excellence' is trivializing a truly spectacular achievement. It also doesn't account for the feeling that city evokes and how much it has inspired other films down the road. 2001 does tell a better story and is a more cerebral experience. But Blade Runner does a better job of taking you to a truly different place.

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

Ugh, why aren't there more great pulpy adventure movies, and Conan style "swords and sorcery" stuff made. I've been on a genre kick starting with action movies on the weekend, and have somehow ended up here and come to a realization that there simply aren't enough great films in the aforementioned categories. I wish studios would stop making crime/dramas, and big budget CG filled crap, and superhero movies, and cotdamn artsy farty stuff, all of which I love, and make some fun movies again....gotdammit

More hard sci-fi too.

/rant

It may be CG, but Tintin is exactly what you're looking for. Definition of pulpy fun adventure movie.

 

[Meliorism]

Random dude invited me after I went through Twitter and searched "letterboxd" and he said he was inviting people.

Don't know what to think right now. I like the way the site looks, but it leaves a lot to be desired when it comes to adding films (Ikiru is probably the most notable movie not on the site..or at least I didn't see it). They don't recognize the film's original title either, instead opting always for the English equivalent, which is fine a lot of the time, but in cases like Ikiru and a personal favorite of mine, Y tu mamá también where the English translation is not the commonly accepted title, it seems strange to me. This is something that sites like ICM and MUBI have really got down.

The ratings are out of 5 stars but allow you to do 1/2 ratings if you're so inclined. Lists are there as well. You can say the date you watched the film as well as give a review of it.

You can follow people and that seems to generate films on your homepage based on what the people you follow have been watching, which is an excellent way to create instant exposure to something you might not have known about otherwise.

Don't really know what else to say about the site right now. Sorry if it seems like I'm trying to advertise for the site. Just thought people here might wanna know about it. I'll try to invite people here when I'm actually given invites. It's in beta right now, but I imagine that it'll be open to everyone soon.

 

[Divius]

Chinatown blu-ray = hnnnnnngg

I recently saw

Control - Above all beautifully shot by Corbijn. I don't care much for the subject of Ian Curtis/Joy Division, but it was written quite well and I enjoyed it. I don´t think it really portrayed the feeling of the 70´s as well as for example 24 Hour Party People did, because it felt quite modern especially through the use of black and white. 7/10

Office Space - Seen it a dozen times, still fun. So many great quotes and characters. 7.5/10

Tabloid - Incredibly engaging and well made documentary about one of the craziest stories I've ever heard. Joyce McKinney is freaking insane. 7/10 Any other Error Morris docs I should see?

Les yeux sans visage AKA Eyes without a Face - Relying more on atmosphere then genuine scares this controversial French horror was very creepy and disturbing. The operation was truly disgusting, the girl 'gliding' around the house with her white mask was disturbing and I thought the ending was great. 8/10

 

[Meliorism]

Joy Division is the best don't be a hater, bro.

 

[beelzebozo]

SENNA was really fun. i wonder how much of alain prost's villainy was real and how much of it was just the narrative perspective of the film? it's hard to tell; reminds me so much, in a weird way, of billy mitchell in KING OF KONG. it's hard to like anything about him here. ayrton, on the other hand, is portrayed as almost a saint--not only is he a driving prodigy, but almost all his efforts are ultimately aimed toward charity, seeking to help kids in brazil, never succumbing to personal excess. the film certainly makes you love him. he seems like he was an amazing man.

i had no idea alan tudyk was in TUCKER & DALE. that's enough for me to check it out.

and i agree with you all that ANOTHER EARTH was weaker than it could have been, but i enjoyed the concept, pace, and main actress enough to appreciate its low-budget charm. certainly some of the plot elements seem particular to a first effort: archetypal dress for the fallen protagonist, excessively prestigious college acceptance swept away to emphasize tragedy and create drama where there is none. . .all that said, there are little moments that work, big time, particularly where the cinematography is concerned. it's worth a look, even if it is not a 100% success.

 

[Solo]

holy shit, dat unmolested coverart indeed. Day one.

Also what's up with Dead's avatar....actually wait what!? Dead has an avatar.

Ive only been shouting at him for a year to get one :lol

 

[Blader]

Tabloid - Incredibly engaging and well made documentary about one of the craziest stories I've ever heard. Joyce McKinney is freaking insane. 7/10 Any other Error Morris docs I should see?

The Fog of War is my all-time favorite Morris doc, but also check out The Thin Blue Line and Mr. Death.

 

[mickcenary]

So, I watched 4 Months, 3 Weeks & 2 Days tonight... Draining. It was good, but the apparent "brilliance" of it was mostly lost on me. I mean, thinking about it right now as I write this sentence, it was pretty brutal; i.e.

Spoiler

having a scene wherein one of the protagonists strolls down the street with an aborted fetus in her handbag is quite full on

. And it's all very grounded in reality, mind you. It was just a somewhat "nothing" movie; poignant, but a tad forgettable at the same time.

 

[Buckethead]

Watched X aka Exit.

I was turned off by the softcore porn hard open and the director's preoccupation with (fake) boobs but it wasn't bad.
It's essentially a survivalist tale centering around two prostitutes in Australia.

The two main characters develop a sisterly bond which I found to be quite endearing and the visual dichotomy of showing empathy and love in a ruthless and dark world was powerful.

My main complaints are with the ending. Holly

Spoiler

dying to save Shay was sacrificial

and I liked the protective, big-sister vibe but would the

Spoiler

cop really kill her

? It felt kinda tacked on to elicit an emotional response or something. Also I liked the Magician in general but having the last words of the movie be in reference to him felt inappropriate. We get it. Shay's life has sucked. Why end the movie on such a down note when bright things seems to be around the corner. Poor writing accompanied by a poor narrative choice.

 

[swoon]

Random dude invited me after I went through Twitter and searched "letterboxd" and he said he was inviting people.

Don't know what to think right now. I like the way the site looks, but it leaves a lot to be desired when it comes to adding films (Ikiru is probably the most notable movie not on the site..or at least I didn't see it). They don't recognize the film's original title either, instead opting always for the English equivalent, which is fine a lot of the time, but in cases like Ikiru and a personal favorite of mine, Y tu mamá también where the English translation is not the commonly accepted title, it seems strange to me. This is something that sites like ICM and MUBI have really got down.

The ratings are out of 5 stars but allow you to do 1/2 ratings if you're so inclined. Lists are there as well. You can say the date you watched the film as well as give a review of it.

You can follow people and that seems to generate films on your homepage based on what the people you follow have been watching, which is an excellent way to create instant exposure to something you might not have known about otherwise.

Don't really know what else to say about the site right now. Sorry if it seems like I'm trying to advertise for the site. Just thought people here might wanna know about it. I'll try to invite people here when I'm actually given invites. It's in beta right now, but I imagine that it'll be open to everyone soon.

do films have discussions or just reviews? i think it looks good - though i haven't really looked at mubi - but my big issues with ICM and screened is that is hard to find people with your interests - and how to recommend/share films - see trends among your groups, etc.

ICM is great for those big list, but the user lists (maybe this is the problem with film fans on the 'net) are miserable.

Chinatown blu-ray = hnnnnnngg

Tabloid - Incredibly engaging and well made documentary about one of the craziest stories I've ever heard. Joyce McKinney is freaking insane. 7/10 Any other Error Morris docs I should see?

they are all really good.

Thin Blue Line and Fast Cheap and Out of Control are my favorite, his tv series 1st person is worth watching as well. To be honest, i think he is the most consistent filmmaker of all time. all his films are perfect or near perfect as can be.

 

[Snowman Prophet of Doom]

Especially the 'I've seen things you people wouldn't believe' part is incredible

THIS is the line that I said was really tired and banal, and it is. You could insert pretty much any vaguely "space-y" imagery into the first part of it, and it ends with the rather cliche metaphor comparing tears and rain, as well as the over-the-top "time to die" ending (which could work if the line preceding it weren't so forced). I've been told that this was an improvised line, and it shows. And hell, that's not to even mention Hauer's rather awkward, stilted delivery of the line, which obviates any claim that he is "amazing" and also sort of quashes the idea that Roy is a particular human character, since his big moment to show his humanity fails to convince the audience of such. And THAT'S exactly what I mean: in a movie about the nature of what makes a human human, a consciousness alive, we get not a single character of depth or humanity, a single person to follow that might give us a compelling argument. Deckard may be "enjoyable" to follow if you're a Harrison Ford fan - I'm not, and think that he's pretty forgettable in every non-Star Wars and non-Indy movie that I've seen him in - but that's a fairly personal reaction, not based on anything that he actually does in the movie, considering his lack of development.

And again, I already granted to Sculli that the movie DOES have a very nice sense of atmosphere (if you sometimes tune out the blaring, dated synth music), but I think that something more has to happen for a person to be truly transported to another place. 2001's world is less different from our own, but we also get a better sense of the "human" element, i.e. how people really live in it, and for that reason, I think that it's a much more compelling and transporting universe. And hell, NOTHING in Blade Runner catches you in the same way as the final act of 2001.

 

[swoon]

do movies need to have more than atmosphere? visuals?

harrison ford plays a robot talking to other robots about the meaning of life. how deep do you think tyrell programmed their poetry module.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

do movies need to have more than atmosphere? visuals?

Well, I would argue, yes. If none of it amounts to anything, if the atmosphere and visuals don't exist for anything but their own sake, then you're looking at something that can only entertain.

I'm not saying Blade Runner is that type of movie, although I think it's more entertainment than something of actual substance regardless of how atmospheric or iconic the imagery is. I first saw it a few years ago so I tried watching it again recently with some anticipation and found myself disappointed with the one-dimensional characters, the environment and world that look amazing in their own write but don't contribute anything to improving the characterization and the dull plot.

 

[Fallout-NL]

THIS is the line that I said was really tired and banal, and it is. You could insert pretty much any vaguely "space-y" imagery into the first part of it, and it ends with the rather cliche metaphor comparing tears and rain, as well as the over-the-top "time to die" ending (which could work if the line preceding it weren't so forced). I've been told that this was an improvised line, and it shows. And hell, that's not to even mention Hauer's rather awkward, stilted delivery of the line, which obviates any claim that he is "amazing" and also sort of quashes the idea that Roy is a particular human character, since his big moment to show his humanity fails to convince the audience of such. And THAT'S exactly what I mean: in a movie about the nature of what makes a human human, a consciousness alive, we get not a single character of depth or humanity, a single person to follow that might give us a compelling argument. Deckard may be "enjoyable" to follow if you're a Harrison Ford fan - I'm not, and think that he's pretty forgettable in every non-Star Wars and non-Indy movie that I've seen him in - but that's a fairly personal reaction, not based on anything that he actually does in the movie, considering his lack of development.

It is universally considered a pretty fucking great soliloquy. I agree that the dove and the tears in the rain thing weren't necessary. I'm all for underplaying stuff like that. But it's still really damn good, and I'm certainly not the only one to say so. You also have to remember that Hauer is Dutch, and his crappy accent isn't doing him any favors in the delivery of lines like this.

Still, those words conjure up visions even more awesome than those the film is already producing. They manage to imply an even wider and more spectacular universe than what you've been looking at up until that point. I think it's fantastic how a few lines of dialogue can do that, while simultaneously painting Roy as something that has experienced so much more than the average human. It's mesmerizing.

I'm kind of sad you don't feel the same. Still, I enjoy these discussions with you .

 

[Snowman Prophet of Doom]

do movies need to have more than atmosphere? visuals?

harrison ford plays a robot talking to other robots about the meaning of life. how deep do you think tyrell programmed their poetry module.

Do they NEED to? No. I've as much as admitted that, for all the flaws that I find with it, Blade Runner IS a watchable movie.

But if a movie wants to be "top 10 of all-time," as was asserted on the previous page, then yeah, I think that it should have more. Atmosphere and nice visuals can only take a person so far.

Fallout-NL: As I said, ANY spacey-sounding stuff in that ending monologue would have sufficed. It's a monologue that starts with cliches, follows into a tired sentiment, and ends in a rather over-the-top way, all the while being rather wooden in delivery (I don't particularly care that Hauer is Dutch; if anything, that's proof against the idea that his performance in the movie is anything luminary." As swoon said, they probably don't HAVE a lot of poetry in them, but the use of the dove casts the monologue into a light of attempt poignancy/poesy, rather than showing the fundamental limitations of the robots' humanity. Remove the dove, maybe linger a moment on Ford attempting to scrutinize what Roy had just said, and the moment is improved a little bit, though it still doesn't improve the fact that a movie about the nature of humanity has almost none. As it stands, it's a watchable, good-looking movie of historical import but little else to sustain one on subsequent viewings.

 

[Fallout-NL]

I agree that much of that scene could have been handled way better. But to say that it (and the film by extension) has no humanity, that I do not agree with. I think the sheer wonder that's contained in those two lines is remarkable. Couple that with Roy's derision of the human hunting him, whom he deems incapable of even considering the wonderful things he's seen. Him, as a four year old replicant.

I don't know man, that shit spoke to me.

 

[Enco]

Warrior.

What a brilliant film. Very pleasantly surprised. Thought it would be a boring cliched movie but it ended up being very tense and entertaining.

 

[strafer]

Shit, this movie really touched me.

JGL was amazing. His therapist was very cute.

Girlfriend was a real bitch.

 

[Dead]

Ive only been shouting at him for a year to get one :lol

I was liking the no avatar style personally

 

[Max Armstrong]

In a Better World - Good but not great. Mikael Persbrandt was excellent in this. Loved his role. Nice cinematography too. Still think Incendies should have won the Oscar last year, haven't seen Biutiful yet, though - 8/10

The Secret in Their Eyes - Holy shit. This is a fucking masterpiece right there, one of the best foreign film I've seen these past years. Don't really have much else to say, wow - 9.5/10

 

[Expendable.]

The Secret in Their Eyes - Holy shit. This is a fucking masterpiece right there, one of the best foreign film I've seen these past years. Don't really have much else to say, wow - 9.5/10

YES! I was blown away by this movie in theaters. It is insanely good.

 

[Satyamdas]

do movies need to have more than atmosphere? visuals?

harrison ford plays a robot talking to other robots about the meaning of life. how deep do you think tyrell programmed their poetry module.

Yes. Otherwise we'd all masturbate to and sing the praises of dreck like Speed Racer.

I KEED, I KEED!

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Kinda.

 

[nilbog21]

YES! I was blown away by this movie in theaters. It is insanely good.

It's pretty good, but some of the scenes (mostly romance) I felt like I was watching a bollywood quality movie..

Actually watched a few decent movies recently,

corny and dumb at parts but its a really sweet story :') I really like how I have no idea if i'm watching a chinese or english movie.

weird movie but good. mostly weird

I thought this movie was good until the last third

 

[Expendable.]

It's pretty good, but some of the scenes (mostly romance) I felt like I was watching a bollywood quality movie..

I disagree. I adored the sentimental nature of it, a great callback to classic films and thought it fit with the story.

 

[nilbog21]

I disagree. I adored the sentimental nature of it, a great callback to classic films and thought it fit with the story.

Yup, that's exactly what I was getting at :b

 

[_Isaac]

The Secret in Their Eyes - Holy shit. This is a fucking masterpiece right there, one of the best foreign film I've seen these past years. Don't really have much else to say, wow - 9.5/10

I don't know if I liked it that much, but I did indeed enjoy it. I really liked the female protagonist in it. I think she gave a great performance, and I didn't mind the movie being somewhat sentimental. The schlong was also a beauty.

 

[Blader]

Fascinating.

Nothing else to say.

 

[dorkimoe]

Serenity just finished firefly so I watched serenity. Now I see why everyone bitches the show got cancelled. So fucking fun

 

[Net_Wrecker]

It may be CG, but Tintin is exactly what you're looking for. Definition of pulpy fun adventure movie.

Yeah, I was on Tintin like a lion on prey. Seen it twice already and will buy on Blu. Really fun movie with some great camerawork. BUT I NEED MOAR.

 

[Divius]

Tried watching Wait Until Dark yesterday. It's got a ton of good reviews and Audrey Hepburn, but I couldn't finish it. So boring. Anyone here who's seen it and think it's good?

 

[UrbanRats]

Captain America - pretty stupid and boring, but at least it had a good sense of.. "scope", unlike say Pirates of the Caribbean 4.

Alien - wow, didn't remember it to be this good (director's cut, btw).. wow.
The characters and everything in general felt very natural and real, something immediately lost in:

Aliens - Although it pisses on most of Alien's elements, it was still fun to go through (special edition)

Alien 3 - What? I mean.. what? I mean, i was expecting a bad movie, because everyone complained about it.. and at the beginning i was like: "ok, this is nothing like previous alien films, but it's not so bad, it lets you explore the Alien world a little bit, from a new prespective".
It already had some stupid unnecessary elements, but then at halfway through, i was like "ok, where the fuck are the aliens? Do they even care about them?", but that was probably a good thing, because the special effects were some of the worst i've ever seen.
A boring movie, with horrible effects, with pointless themes and a serious lack of focus, not as bad as i was expecting, but still pretty shit. (saw the special edition, which lacks the final chest burst moment, shame).

I'll watch Alien resurrection next.

 

[Fallout-NL]

I'll watch Alien resurrection next.

Nice shot of Kim Flowers in there.

Ron Perlman's always fun.

But as an Alien film it's way too convoluted

 

[ultron87]

Watched Ip Man last night.

Some of the best choreographed and shot fight scenes I've seen in a long time. Story was pretty good as well.

My only real issue with it was that the main character was almost too good.

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There wasn't really any tension when it comes to him fighting anyone since he owned up everyone in fairly short order. I think at most he took a few punches from the Japanese general at the end.

 

[yukonrye]

Boondock Saints. Pretty good film. Willem Dafoe is aweome.

 

[Buckethead]

]
Alien 3 - What? I mean.. what? I mean, i was expecting a bad movie, because everyone complained about it.. and at the beginning i was like: "ok, this is nothing like previous alien films, but it's not so bad,

Alien 3 is so disrespectful of Aliens.

It's unforgivable and unredeemable.