Fallout-NL
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One's on the nature of man, the other on the origin. Both important.
And neither does one carry more weight or value than the other.
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One's on the nature of man, the other on the origin. Both important.
And neither does one carry more weight or value than the other.
Microcosmos: Pesudo nature documentary is probably something I would call it, some people say it's an art film. Film following bugs and their daily life. There is only few lines of narration and the film doesn't explain you what the bugs are doing, just camera following weird creatures. It had plenty of great music and visually the BD-release is great looking and I really would love if someone would make same kind of project with current high-def cameras, it would be even more glorious.
BobsRevenge
I do not avoid women, GAF, but I do deny them my essence.
Writing is very personal, and writers typically like to write their experiences or attitudes into a character. It's a way of expressing yourself.
I didn't know she wrote it, and she did a great job in the part imo, so I actually find myself more drawn to her performance in retrospect.
It's a great movie, imo. The ending was sort of like a last-second o_o
OrangeGrayBlue
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To say it like that makes it sound like Blade Runner explored it's theme as well as 2001 did. It didn't.
OrangeGrayBlue
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Are you referring to Another Earth? If so, I have nothing but respect for Brit Marling. Any actress who paves her way into the industry by writing roles that she is proud of instead of accepting whatever bones are tossed her way gets a lot of kudos from me.
Edit- sorry for double post, gaf is a little clumsy on my phone.
It did.
Fallout-NL
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Thank you.
Lest we get ahead of ourselves: let's not get into which is the better science fiction film here, because it's a goddamn miracle that films like 2001 and Blade Runner even exist. Any feelings as to which one is better should be attributed, ENTIRELY, to personal preference. Anyone who's participating in this thread should be intelligent enough to realize that. Snowman's already halfway there by admitting it's his own awful taste's fault he actually doesn't like the Vangelis soundtrack. I suggest the rest of you follow suit.
That is all.
Opinions, how do they work?
Also, snowman. I think he called you "narrow-minded" because your statement proclaims that 2001 is the pinnacle sci-fi narrative. Calling his opinion "absurd" is indeed narrow-minded.
And how is it narratively unsatisfying if you care to elaborate? I like your comments, thus I'm asking. Not being snarky.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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But Blade Runner barely even plumbs the depths of its theme. It's about an uninteresting detective chasing robots with no real personality. Yes, Roy wants to live, but that and murdering are ALL HE DOES the whole movie. There's never the sense that he's a person of depth and/or consequence, something to make his quest for self-preservation meaningful, and when he finally dies, he utters a fairly banal line that is followed by a fuckin' BIRD flying away, not only an egregious cliche but completely forced, given the aforementioned banality of the previous line. The love interest who is unaware of being a machine is kind of interesting in concept, but A) she's not a particularly deep nor interesting character, and B) they really only probe the fairly predictable "Well, how does ANY of us know the nature of our existence?" angle.
As I say, beautiful-looking movie, but the actual underlying story is pretty damn thin.
Edit: And I'd say that artistic quality carries greater value than historic import. A particular poem may or may not have made a splash in its time, but its ability to touch, to provoke, will remain.
Kraftwerk: It may be just a matter of opinion, but not all opinions are of equal weight; by necessity, one MUST be more right than another, if they are contradictory. Dialectic exists to scrutinize an to determine exactly which opinion that is, else what's the point of discussing anything? If it's all just a matter of subjectivity, I wouldn't even come in this thread, since you can't really debate a feeling or a personal reaction. You CAN debate quality.
Double Edit: And I'm sorry, but Blade Runner's not even in the same artistic galaxy as 2001, which fires on all cylinders: narrative, visual, auditory, and that ineffable "something" that separates great art from great craft. One can prefer Blade Runner for any NUMBER of reasons, for as I said, you can't really argue personal preference, but in terms of depth and complexity, 2001 blows it out of the water on just about every count.
Well, whether you agree with its original criticism is neither here nor there. However it received such mixed reviews because of studio pressure and a horrible, messy theatrical cut. It was also released at the same time as ET, so it failed at the box office too.
Hindsight is 20/20, as they say, and the Director's Cut fixed many of the studio's initial tinkering. That saying also holds truer than 'well I guess they were right all along', which is what you're saying here. The rest is pretty much opinion on what makes a compelling narrative.
Fallout-NL
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Now this, I can heartily agree with. (though thanks for the support Kraftwerk)
Sadly though, it is you who are wrong here, because here we have a rare case of two films being equally valuable. Maybe not exactly, but they certainly don't differ to the degree you are implying. I agree on the fucking dove though. I didn't really need that either.
Anyway, I'd love to argue all day, but I really need to get some work done.
Finally got a chance to watch Tron Legacy now that it is on Netflix. I thought it was a really great sequel and a great movie in general. I'm bummed that I didn't get a chance to see it in 3D in the theater. Now I feel like geeking out on Tron again so I picked up Tron Evolution and I may track down a copy of Tron 2.0 and play that again.
ChiTownBuffalo
Either I made up lies about the Boston Bomber or I fell for someone else's crap. Either way, I have absolutely no credibility and you should never pay any attention to anything I say, no matter what the context. Perm me if I claim to be an insider
Did CGI Jeff Bridges weird you out?
Kill List: Dark, gritty, and atmospheric story of a hitman taking up another job to make ends meat. I really enjoyed it. Its super dark and the use of sound and color create a very claustrophobic atmosphere. The ending is going to throw a lot of people off but it didn't bother me much and everything leading up to it is pretty fantastic. Definitely worth checking out.
teruterubozu
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Oh God. The one zillionth Blade Runner discussion. Really?
Adding my support to Snowman, re-watched Bladerunner a few months ago, it was a deliciously beautiful movie where nothing happened. Snowman: right on replicants, wrong on jews.
Also, again, Another Earth is 1/10, I literally laughed out loud when the beautiful actress donned a beanie and began her career as a janitor. It gets 1 point for the cool looking Earth 2 CG shots, though I'm convinced nights would be much much brighter, I mean Earth is mostly water, it's basically like having a mirror up there.
Also, again, Another Earth is 1/10, I literally laughed out loud when the beautiful actress donned a beanie and began her career as a janitor. It gets 1 point for the cool looking Earth 2 CG shots, though I'm convinced nights would be much much brighter, I mean Earth is mostly water, it's basically like having a mirror up there.
Not really. I get what they were trying to accomplish and I was able to suspend my disbelief. Though whenever he smiled it was pretty jarring. I wish I knew why recreating facial expressions is still so difficult.
TheKaeptain
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Wouldn't the planets collide with each other?
Well, depending on the angle Earth 2 came in at, they're likely orbiting a center of gravity in between each other. I think the moons might throw a wrench in the situation though. You know what actually I have Universe Sandbox on Steam at home, I'll load up this exact scenario tonight and see what happens. Then I'll have scientific proof that this movie is shit.
TheKaeptain
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Does the movie give the distance of each earth from one other?
No, I'll see if I can track down the screenplay though, I'm sure there's some charts in the back. Otherwise it can be estimated from the the size of the Earth in the sky.
Oh, I am waiting to get that too, the Directors Cut already was fantastic. Final Cut will come with OLED TV :-D
out of *****
watched:
anguish **** really good horror movie, though i don't think it's has imperative that you avoid reading anything about it beforehand. would make for a fun double feature with demons.
the same river twice *** like the up series if the up series was about hippies getting old and watching their nudist retreat 20 years earlier in the colorado river. it's a sad film mostly about relationships what we've lost.
the flame of new orleans *** marlene dietrich/rene clair should have made a better movie, but it ends up as a light retread of greater ophuls films. some amazing costume designs and interesting sexual politics makes it a fun watch.
golden earrings ** the last of the marlene dietrich films in this set and she plays a gypsy helping ray milland steal a posion gas formula. srsly.
the ballad of narayama *** i don't really want to explain this film because it should just be experienced , but its harsh and sad, but has some weird pacing issues and is visually inconsistent, both in tone and craft.
sauve qui peut (la vie) **** i guess this is often referred to as godard's return to accessibility, though the film about novelists turn prostitutes and prostitutes turned teachers and directors turned muses isn't very comprehensible, but i guess it has a straight narrative arc. it's a film about the relationships between all these figures and business to art - and what it takes to make art i suppose and it's beautiful and singular. it doesn't touch his pre-1968 work, but it's one the best from the period after.
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anguish **** really good horror movie, though i don't think it's has imperative that you avoid reading anything about it beforehand. would make for a fun double feature with demons.
the same river twice *** like the up series if the up series was about hippies getting old and watching their nudist retreat 20 years earlier in the colorado river. it's a sad film mostly about relationships what we've lost.
the flame of new orleans *** marlene dietrich/rene clair should have made a better movie, but it ends up as a light retread of greater ophuls films. some amazing costume designs and interesting sexual politics makes it a fun watch.
golden earrings ** the last of the marlene dietrich films in this set and she plays a gypsy helping ray milland steal a posion gas formula. srsly.
the ballad of narayama *** i don't really want to explain this film because it should just be experienced , but its harsh and sad, but has some weird pacing issues and is visually inconsistent, both in tone and craft.
sauve qui peut (la vie) **** i guess this is often referred to as godard's return to accessibility, though the film about novelists turn prostitutes and prostitutes turned teachers and directors turned muses isn't very comprehensible, but i guess it has a straight narrative arc. it's a film about the relationships between all these figures and business to art - and what it takes to make art i suppose and it's beautiful and singular. it doesn't touch his pre-1968 work, but it's one the best from the period after.
The Culture Vulture
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Original Cat People is very good but avoid the sequel "Curse Of" it has next to no relation to the film and was just a money grab. I can't speak to the remake.
Count Dookkake
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I made a thread earlier that some of you may be interested in.
It's the trailer for ZOMBIE ASS.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=458390
It's the trailer for ZOMBIE ASS.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=458390
Cool. I'll have to check it out.
The amount of alcohol necessary to make Sucker Punch seem good would kill three huge men.
PjotrStroganov
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Well, fuck. That was awesome. One of the best docs I've seen all year and I don't think there has been any kind of buzz around it.
Just read a review of it in out local tv guide. 5 out of 5. Went to IMDB, 8,1. Going to watch this!
Glorious_Paradox
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After hearing a lot of good things about it from some friends, I finally got around to watching the recent Star Trek (2009) movie. Needless to say, their credibility seriously dropped in my eyes after watching that mess. Completely predictable and formulaic, with unlikable characters and unrewarding action scenes, it contained pretty much every trope I've come to dislike in modern Hollywood blockbuster movies. 1/5
If it would pair well with Demons then I'm sold, but it turns out there are a fair number of flicks called Anguish in the IMDB. Can you narrow it down for us?
Meanwhile, I caught the new Muppets flick this weekend and, while I liked it, I didn't really care for how meta the whole thing is. Also, while the "bringing back the Muppets from pop culture obscurity" riff is amusing for adult audiences who remember them fondly, I'm not entirely sure how it's supposed to sell the concept to new audiences and resurrect the franchise. Still, it's pretty entertaining.
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Count Dookkake
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I have made that suggestion to pals. I would kill to see these both at a screening.
I'm curious as to why you think spoilers should not be so stringently avoided. Don't you think that one scene is kind the equivalent of PSYCHO's shower scene? Not in the sense that it is famous, but that it is a shock to viewers and changes the movie drastically?
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It is the first listing on imdb.
PS - How long have you had that thrilling and cruel avatar?
OrangeGrayBlue
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I know how they work, that's why I gave one
Or do you feel like it isn't an opinion unless it starts with "I think that..."?Also, Blade Runner proposes some good ideas, but doesn't elaborate on them nearly enough and gets too caught up in the whole good guy vs bad guy thing, complete with white doves. 2001 is much more focused.
Count Dookkake
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Despite what the honorable swoon says, please avoid detailed synopses.
Your enjoyment will explode.
Fallout-NL
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I know how they work, that's why I gave one
Also, Blade Runner proposes some good ideas, but doesn't elaborate on them nearly enough and gets too caught up in the whole good guy vs bad guy thing, complete with white doves. 2001 is much more focused.
Did you happen to notice how they subvert the good guy / bad guy thing? Doesn't take a genius to figure it out. But it's not quite black and white either.
Also, movies are often better the less they explicitly elaborate and I'd say 2001 is equally sparse, if not more so, with its storytelling than Blade Runner. There's 40 minutes of dialogue in a 2 hour movie. Honestly, if ever there was a 'visual' film, it's fucking 2001.
Regarding Anguish:
Thanks for clarifying! I'll add it to the to-watch list and will be sure to avoid any more plot details. I'm happy to go in cold based on recommendation.
Well, I was sporting a different, yet equally thrilling and cruel avatar for a while now, switched over to a holiday avatar that was seriously lacking in eye patches or Christina Lindberg, and then went with a color riff on the theme to kick off the new year. Thanks for admiring it's thrilling cruelty!
They Call Him One Fnord
Thanks for clarifying! I'll add it to the to-watch list and will be sure to avoid any more plot details. I'm happy to go in cold based on recommendation.
Well, I was sporting a different, yet equally thrilling and cruel avatar for a while now, switched over to a holiday avatar that was seriously lacking in eye patches or Christina Lindberg, and then went with a color riff on the theme to kick off the new year. Thanks for admiring it's thrilling cruelty!
They Call Him One Fnord
If it makes you feel better. Me and the group of friends i saw it with in 3D, all thought the 3d was very underwhelming. But i guess it's one of those things you have to take with a grain of salt as it's really subjective. Also I've had problems with 3D in the past and i normally just try to avoid it now. Though i do remember the one thing that looked good was the glass in the games area. I also remember the glass for the air vehicles in avatar looking impressive when i seen it in 3D. There's something about glass in the 3D for me, where it looks like it's really between me and what's behind it.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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Curse of the Cat People is an EXCELLENT film, just not anything like the first one. It's one of the best depictions of a story from a child's perspective that I've ever seen, and I think that the story of Ichebod Crane as told by the old woman is as scary as anything in the first film due to how it's framed.
Edit: I might even put it above Cat People, actually. The first is a great horror film; the sequel is a great film, full stop.
Max Armstrong
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Source Code - Meh, not that interesting at all - 6/10
The Tree of Life - It was... it was beautiful... mesmerizing. The middle part is as good as it gets for me, it was filmed like nothing I've ever seen before. Not sure what the hell happened at the end though. The music was also really fantastic. Wish I could of seen this in theater - 9/10
The Tree of Life - It was... it was beautiful... mesmerizing. The middle part is as good as it gets for me, it was filmed like nothing I've ever seen before. Not sure what the hell happened at the end though. The music was also really fantastic. Wish I could of seen this in theater - 9/10
TheKaeptain
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Should I go watch a 35mm screening of Duck Soup on Sunday?
i mean it is shocking/changes the flow of the movies and the viewers expectations, but i don't think knowing the change in psycho ruins the movies changes how you view it. both are movies that don't need the shock to make them entertaining.
yea i mean. i don't read descriptions or watch trailers for any movie, unless i'm at a theater and can't avoid them. so there's that. i know like some people though won't take a blind leap, so i bet seeing some of those scenes out of context would be a selling point.
oh god yes.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Bought.
Commmentary with Robert Towne and David Fincher
come on. they can do better than that. that's up there with the dumb de palma and baumbach interview on blow out
TheKaeptain
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I'll buy tickets tomorrow.
The Tower Theater in Fresno is going to start playing classic films twice a month. I guess they renovated a few years ago and ex-mayor Alan "bubba" Autry helped start Fresno Filmwork. Which is the group putting on these shows.
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