MS's Response to Sony's "No AAA Studio Can Match CoD" Statement + Confirms Sony Pays To Blocks Games From Game Pass
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You mean the BioShock and Mass Effect that they took a chance on and published? Sony had been doing that since Crash Bandicoot. FYI, Microsoft Game Studios or whatever the fuck was the name back then came up whenever you booted those games. Mentioning Gears being "kept off" of PS shows you don't know much of what you're talking about, anyway.
To be fair, PSN was a laughably bad service in the beginning. Imagine not wanting to get intertwined with it back then, as the premiere software company, only to watch PSN get hacked and shut down for a month. Microsoft was probably like:
Imagine trying to equate an unknown such as this to what's going on now, lmao.
DeepEnigma
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Which they learned from Nintendo, albeit a much softer approach to their draconian NES days.
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Werewolfgrandma
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There is literally no context to make it not shitty.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
It's a cloud enhanced game, meaning it will use elements of cloud to add to the game like Flight Sim 2020 already does. Which is also available on retail.
1) CoD is to remain multiplatform, so your entire logic is dismantled right there
2) LOL. Please tell me you're joking. Sony has been moneyhatting entire IP and sequels long before MS entered the race
Edit: you were serious, but seems like someone already beat me to it. Embarassing, haha.
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For first party fine. For third party it's bullcrap unless they helped with development.Both camps do it so its pretty simple either play on multiple platforms or miss out
But...
Bernd Lauert
Banned
Yep, I can imagine that the game will still work without cloud, just at a reduced scope.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Probably similar to Death Stranding with the change of terrain by others setting up roads, ziplines, etc..
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Is there a chance this goes through this month so we can just enjoy the cod announcements next month and stop with the acquisition talk.
Sony being petty, Microsoft are probably petty in some way. I'm sure they will have an agreement to stop a game being on ps plus if it is on game pass? If they don't that pretty damn cool but I doubt that will be happening.
Sony being petty, Microsoft are probably petty in some way. I'm sure they will have an agreement to stop a game being on ps plus if it is on game pass? If they don't that pretty damn cool but I doubt that will be happening.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
lol Yeah. I never bought into the good guy act of these suits. Singing kumbaya while stabbing each other in the back with multi billion acquistions then saying hey we only spent billions to keep everything multiplatform. Nonsense.
This is a business. No one spends $70 billion to add the mere $2-3 billion profits to their portfolio. It would take 20-30 years to pay off this purchase. Nah, this deal was made to get Sony to fold or bring sony into gamepass. Plain and simple. It's console wars at its finest. Whether or not it is a monopoly or ethical is besides the point. I just dont care for the whole congratulating each other on twitter while going out there and fighting in court like a divorced couple. Be honest FFS.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Neither party is innocent of paying for exclusivity, or blocking the other from a game - so I can't really get upset if Sony's doing it.
I'd imagine for multi-platform owners, having the option to play a big release day one on Game Pass, kills any potential PlayStation purchase.
I'd imagine for multi-platform owners, having the option to play a big release day one on Game Pass, kills any potential PlayStation purchase.
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
You have any information on why "those" games were redacted? Do you know why "those" games would be in that list? Without knowing the games, we gamers don't have much to talk about when it comes to that part of the argument.
HeisenbergFX4
Member
It doesn't matter to me in all honesty as I play on all platforms and don't pledge my undying allegiance to one plastic box or the other because those companies don't really give a crap about me anyhow
Besides everything is up for sale even our favorite games
Cod is much bigger then elder scrolls
There's a chance but probably not until the end if the year or Spring, if I had to guess.
Have you not said you prefer PlayStation? Maybe I am misremembering.
Ellery
Member
Interesting developments. I have got some reading up to do on this matter. Looks like a tense back and forth.
I haven't really looked at Call of Duty or it's importance in the gaming landscape much lately, because I don't play it, but it is indeed a big game in the industry especially in the more mainstream oriented console gaming customers and it has a lot of power and influence with it.
But from my personal opinion I'd probably like to see MS buy Activision Blizzard, because of the path Blizzard has taken in the last 10 years since being bought by Activision. Maybe Phil could do wonders there.
I haven't really looked at Call of Duty or it's importance in the gaming landscape much lately, because I don't play it, but it is indeed a big game in the industry especially in the more mainstream oriented console gaming customers and it has a lot of power and influence with it.
But from my personal opinion I'd probably like to see MS buy Activision Blizzard, because of the path Blizzard has taken in the last 10 years since being bought by Activision. Maybe Phil could do wonders there.
HeisenbergFX4
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I do prefer Playstation but I play everywhere
Kagey K
Banned
I don't know if they do. Look at the PS Extra drop this month and it's a mostly a bunch of games that are currently on Gamepass. That wouldn't happen if they had those types of agreements.
Again a misunderstand of the finances; you don't need to pay off the purchase cost. You need to make sure the value of the division doesn't drop and the ROI is better than the alternative one of which is keeping it in a bank or stock buybacks.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
It's almost as if it's a game by game basis. Almost.
Kagey K
Banned
Still waiting for you to prove even 1 of them.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
You are not new to gaming, so stop pretending to still be purposely obtuse.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
I'm pretty sure MS had those agreements in there. Even if it's a timed release. As a matter of fact, we've seen games leave Gamepass and appear on Sony's sub service a month or so later.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
And when are you going to prove that Sony paid devs to keep games off of Gamepass (without there being some marketing or exclusive deal being the reason)?
Kagey K
Banned
That's twice you've called me obtuse and 0 times you've replied with anything substantial.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Bro, it's called gaming history and how marketing and other closed door deals work. I also did not call you obtuse, I said you are pretending to be. You know the game, but carry on.
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Kagey K
Banned
It's right in the court filing in the OP. (Names of games seem to be redacted)
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
I think we already had about as close as it gets to "confirmation" that Sony blocks games from Gamepass. Or at least that they blocked one game which came from a confirmed data leak.
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Fears Gamepass?
More like concerned of the possibility of losing COD.
With all of this smoke... maybe MS is growing a pair and taking COD from Sony.
IntentionalPun
Ask me about my wife's perfect butthole
I'm confused.. how is the bold statement not Sony paying to keep games off of Gamepass?
They do it via those marketing deals.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
We've seen the capcom contracts stopping re village and also Microsoft can't say this stuff without it being true. That's literally breaking the law so Sony has to do it.
CaptainSlayAHo
Banned
He knows that, he's pretending it's not real because the names aren't listed
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
That's not what he is saying.
He is asking for games that are specific to not be on GamePass, without it being a timed exclusive or marketing deal. Which Sony and others have had this language in their contracts before GamePass was even a thing. It just gets impacted because the language is broad by stating "subscription services."
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
not just marketing deals, this new info implies they get into deals for the main purpose of keeping games off of game pass.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
No, I'm talking about paying to keep them off WITHOUT a marketing deal. People are in here acting stupid. As if it makes sense for Sony to have a marketing deal for a 3rd party game, while allowing it on GamePass. That's stupid!
Because the narrative is made up by Microsoft lawyers. You're smarter than this dude. That's a lawyer's spin on what those Sony dollars are for. The MS lawyers are making everything about them (smartly I'd say), when it's money that Sony is spending to market a game so that it's attached to their brand first and foremost. People seem to be acting as if Sony is forcing a company like Capcom to accept the deal. Obviously, Capcom felt like it was better to accept Sony's marketing money or MS' money to be on GamePass Day-and-Date.
That's not the context of the conversation in this thread. That's not paying to keep a game off of GamePass. That's paying to market a 3rd party game. We've seen these deals 40,000 times! It's not new. Why would Sony pay to market a game that's going to be on GamePass on Day 1?
Ass of Can Whooping
Member
That's a reach
Kagey K
Banned
If they pay to keep them off, that becomes a marketing deal. So I guess your answer will always be 0 based on your dumb set of parameters.
Doesn't change anything though.
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Not surprised at any marketing tactic platforms holder do. I guess the money is so good, small studios and all the way up to giants like Activision or EA cant help but grab from whichever golden goose offers more gold encrusted dollar bills. Anything for a buck.
- Game exclusivity
- DLC exclusivity
- Sub plan exclusivity
Multiply the deals x2 to cover forever deals or timed deals.
- Game exclusivity
- DLC exclusivity
- Sub plan exclusivity
Multiply the deals x2 to cover forever deals or timed deals.
Captain Toad
Banned
Sony literally deployed Monopoly tactics for PS+ this month. Uno too.Those sound like monopoly tactics.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Or..........................
Sony paid money to a developer for a marketing deal, and then it can't be on GamePass.
It's stupid to think it happened the way you are labeling it though. Extra stupid actually. One has happened for decades, whereas subscription services are new. Companies have paid for marketing rights for so long......and all Sony probably did here is add "and no releases on any subscription services".
Bernd Lauert
Banned
Well, one of the main reasons Sony even entered into a marketing deal might be that they wanted to prevent the game to come to Gamepass.
nah only COD and OW2, they can make games like Diablo 4 exclusive, most of this game IP audience on PC anyways. pretty much any games outside COD and OW2 can become exclusive because they can take loss for these other IP to grow platform and GP. also you have a game like WOW not even on consoles so they can make it exclusive if they decided to make new big game from WOW IP
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
That language has been in there for their deals before Gamepass was ever conceived. But we get it, new ammo for the console war. Gafs favorite game.
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Bernd Lauert
Banned
Do we know this? Gimme receipts.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
There might be some translator addendums but the wording directly implies that Sony enters into "blocking deals" with game companies.
A hypothetical
"Hey Capcom, we will pay you XXX amount of money to make sure you don't put RE Village on Game Pass, like how REVII has been there and seems to get a lot of traction"
"Ok"
"While you're at it, we'll add more money if you let us put ads on TV with our branding at the end"
"Ok"
and scene.