The Faceless Master
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unless there's some weird bottleneck or secret sauce or intentional borking, it should go PC > PS4 > XB1 for everymultiplatform release, well, as far as graphics are concerned.
Multi-platform games on XBone/PS4: the death of the definitive version?
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BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
And even if the game is good, the fact that a copy is sellable raises the value of buying and owning the game.
I have games I will never, in a million years, sell. But I'm proud to own it because it's an object of value, that could conceivably be worth something to other people. If it's just a vessel to re-load the game that only I can use.... that's not something I want to invest in.
Right now, sight unseen in regard to port quality, PS4 games feel like a better purchase to me than any Xbox One game.
Of course, you mean a PC with a 1.000 bucks graphic card inside. Don't you?
That's if you buy one now. In a year, you'll probably only need to spend half that, in 2 years a quarter, etc...
Yeah, by the time either console has a library considering its purchase, you'll be able to buy a more beefy PC at a reasonable price. 770GTX costs $400 and murders PS4 performance-wise (though it has much less RAM), a year from now it's going to be even more lopesided. Chances are if you have a desktop PC you already have a much much more powerful CPU than the Jaguar found in consoles.
Yep, PC had always had the definitive version of multiplat games.
Flatline
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I really doubt you will be able to spend 500 dollars and get a PC that outputs much better graphics than PS4 in a year. Also this thread was about consoles, can we leave the smug PC bragging for other threads?
NinjaBoiX
Member
This.
Even if the games are coded with parity in mind, surely the faster RAM on PS4 will simply cope better under strain? Or am I being naive?
PC gaming GAF won't need to build a brand new PC, just replacing the graphics card will be good enough. And $400 GPU will give you much better graphics than PS4 indeed.
PdotMichael
Banned
Well, if the game looks and runs the same on the Xbox One you will know that the developer has a deal with Microsoft.
Well, as a European, I usually have a 3 day buffer period due to the shitty release delay
Also, I remember buying L.A Noire on PS3 based on one of those comparisons, so that must have been in that skewed release period.
Apparently DF's LA Noire comparison was put up a few days after the EU release date (23rd versus the 20th). Lens of Truth's comparison was put up on the 19th, though; you might be thinking of that?
Going back to GTAV for a moment, I'd be surprised if the PS3 version came out on top, given the history of RAGE games on the two consoles. I'd say the exception of LA Noire could be chalked down to it beginning life as a PS3 exclusive and I don't think it was ever clarified just how much RAGE tech the game uses.
Acheteedo
Member
It's potentially the most confusing gen ever for multiplatform console gamers.
On top of the usual factors of:
Aliasing
Resolution
Framerate
Sound quality
Controller preference
We now have:
Second hand selling
"Family sharing"
Kinect features
DS4 touchpad features
Trigger rumble
Dedicated servers
These raise more questions than answers. Also my friends seem to be heading to PS4 from their 360's so multiplayer games are at least an easy decision. Digital Foundry will be a precious resource for me this gen.
On top of the usual factors of:
Aliasing
Resolution
Framerate
Sound quality
Controller preference
We now have:
Second hand selling
"Family sharing"
Kinect features
DS4 touchpad features
Trigger rumble
Dedicated servers
These raise more questions than answers. Also my friends seem to be heading to PS4 from their 360's so multiplayer games are at least an easy decision. Digital Foundry will be a precious resource for me this gen.
NinjaBoiX
Member
No, but my point is, where the XBone version would maybe struggle with a building crumbling in BF4 (random unsubstantiated example), surely DICE couldn't tell the PS4's RAM to hold back so as not to upstage XBone? If the processor cycles are there, they'll get used right?
Oh yeah, meant comparison sites in general - I take whatever I can get. DF is the only one I remember from the top of my head
And yes, RAGE is usually better on the 360 and that's where I got all my Rockstar games, however as many has pointed out, they have consistently shown off GTA V on a PS3. Now that could indicate lead platform due to more recent compiled builds which could leave that as the 'definitive' version. So it's still up in the air. Still, it annoys me that you have to go through all this.
The architecture and devloping environment seem so similar that it sounds like all devs have to do is copy and paste their code from X1 to PS4 and it'll run better.
Of course it's not that simple but that's the impression you get.
I think the real differences now will be voice commands + cloud vs better iq + no drm.
Of course it's not that simple but that's the impression you get.
I think the real differences now will be voice commands + cloud vs better iq + no drm.
They've been demoing it to media on PS3, I think it'll at least be about equal this time around.
The cost of a PC is a lot more than one part. And it does a lot more things. Apples, oranges. Consoles always win out on gaming/$ (hardware, not software) for traditional software.
Ah, I wasn't aware R* has been showing off the PS3 version (haven't been following the game much myself). That bodes well. I really hope the PC port fares better this time around, too.
NinjaBoiX
Member
I would think performance would be the differentiating factor in that instance. IQ is usually pre determined by the dev, performance improvements will simply come about due to the raw horsepower on tap.
This I doubt. Given the identical hardware architectures on both platforms, raw performance of the GPUs should be what sets them apart (and eSRAM, but that's a different story). If a game had completely identical graphical settings on both platforms and optimized roughly the same, the PS4 version would be more or less guaranteed to have better/more consistent performance in terms of framerates.
It's pretty similar to comparing performance between two PCs with a 7770GHz and a 7850 in them.
Oh noes my fanboy is showing.
Yeah I meant performance, PS4 is less likely to sacrifice a pixel to make it run solid, and I'm not seeing third parties make too much effort differentiating between the two versions via cloud and kinect, because I remember thinking it would happen with the Wii vs PS360.
MS really doesn't have the muscle to stop devs from making PS4 games look better.
There will be some trade off to be made for games on Xbone but we just don't know what it is, lower res, less effects, lower framerates. Something will be hit. Or all of the above.
Flatline
Banned
That's a lot of assumptions there. What about MANY people who don't have gaming PCs or their gaming PCs are getting old?
From my understanding, the reason multiplatform titles often looked better on X360 than PS3 was that the PS3 architecture was very difficult to develop for, and if it wasn't built from the ground up for that system, the port was always going to suffer.
Are the architectures on the two systems (Xbox One/PS4) different, so that there's still gonna be a a graphical difference on multiplatform titles? Or are the architectures so similar that the PS4 version is always gonna come out on top (as it has the slight edge) but not vice versa.
Are the architectures on the two systems (Xbox One/PS4) different, so that there's still gonna be a a graphical difference on multiplatform titles? Or are the architectures so similar that the PS4 version is always gonna come out on top (as it has the slight edge) but not vice versa.
Evolution_1ne
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the developer would have to purposefully make a game worse on PS4 for it to be worse on PS4 outside of that the best XBone can hope for is the same quality which would only mean the PS4 is underutilized
there is no comparisons anymore, multiplats will be better on PS4 period
there is no comparisons anymore, multiplats will be better on PS4 period
TBH this gen the specs were closer and differences were down to developer focus not the hardware - most games were actually near enough identical on each.
This gen, assuming developers use all power available for their games, we should see more noticeable differences. Of course both consoles are reasonably powerful so there is a chance a lot of games will be equal and just settling on a "good enough" use of available power.
The exclusives are where the difference will be and with more power under the bonnet there should be a bigger gulf this gen than last between Sony flagship titles and MS exclusive (and third party) titles.
This gen, assuming developers use all power available for their games, we should see more noticeable differences. Of course both consoles are reasonably powerful so there is a chance a lot of games will be equal and just settling on a "good enough" use of available power.
The exclusives are where the difference will be and with more power under the bonnet there should be a bigger gulf this gen than last between Sony flagship titles and MS exclusive (and third party) titles.
SMT
this show is not Breaking Bad why is it not Breaking Bad? it should be Breaking Bad dammit Breaking Bad
What this simpsons character said.
But I will chime in: PS4 IS WAY STRONGER, FASTER, THAN XONE AND WIIU.
Canis lupus
Member
Why do people bring up pc when the topic at hand is about PS4vsXbox1? Why does it still need to be discussed that when you pay for a gpu that cost as much as your console will obviously give you better graphics?
nelsonroyale
Member
Considering how much more powerful some of the PC cards are, if anything we should see a drop off of people needing to upgrade. Although, I expect optimization to mean PC will need to brute force a some of the stuff optimized on consoles.
Being only PC will mean you will not be able to play most of bigger games.
If you are gamer then PC+console is must.
GTFO with this bullshit.
OP made no mention of the PC, and was just comparing the two consoles. Why does the PC always have to come up?
But I sure hope so.
velociraptor
Junior Member
Considering the PS4 is 50% more powerful than the Xbone, I doubt it.
Well as I said, whatever CPU is there in your desktop CPU is leaps and bounds better than the Jaguar in PS4/Xbone. So you pretty much only need to upgrade GPU and a $400 graphics card is going to be a lot more powerful than PS4.
If you don't have a PC, then buying a new one certainly requires a bigger investment, but then again its functionality is greater than just games, so you might find some use in it.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
How will you get "much" better graphics? Does it magically add polygons and character models that weren't present in the other versions?
This is the first time multiplatform games are split between being actual products you own, and products that are merely services, and are pretty much being lent to you.
How is it even going to be possible to compare a game you will own until the day you die, or the day the disk gets damaged/blown up/possibly stolen/thrown out vs games that have a expire date on them as they are all dependent on external servers?
How is it even going to be possible to compare a game you will own until the day you die, or the day the disk gets damaged/blown up/possibly stolen/thrown out vs games that have a expire date on them as they are all dependent on external servers?
Higher rendering resolutions, higher resolution of stuff like shader effects and shadows, higher framerates, optional stuff like Oculus Rift support etc.
Manmademan
Member
This. PS4 will likely be definitive for everything, due to the similarity in architecture but noticeable power gap between the two consoles.
Not at all. I want to play everything that looks good, any genre. Right now there's 8 for PS4 on my upcoming games .txt, 13 for Xbone, and 14 for Wii U.
PC has 61 under it.
Flatline
Banned
I know a crapload of people who have 3-4 year old PCs (or older) and are perfectly content with them since their programs work fine. Again, you're assuming that everyone is a PC gamer that updates their PC frequently.
Then they'll upgrade their GPU and will have definitive versions of multiplatform games.
Alcoholikaust
Member
Skyrim, Bayonetta, Red Dead Redemption differences were anything but microscopic. SMGDH
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They would if the PCs they bought were latest tech at the time not the cheap crap most people are buying without even researching them.