Multiple fatalities reported at Umpqua Community College shooting in Oregon

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fantomena said:
RIP to the victms. :(

Also, ban your darn guns America. This will keep happening over and over again till you do something about it.

If I saw a person carrying a gun in public I would most likely run the fuck away from that person.
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So easy!! How come nobody has thought of this??

While we're at it, let's make sure everybody has enough food and money. Logistics be damned.

There is no way America could effectively ban guns without it evolving into some type of military-state pseudo, dystopian society and/or all out civil-war.
 
Mesousa said:
We have a major problem in this country.
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B-Dubs said:
We do it more often than you think, the courts can and do change the constitution every now and again. The way you're describing is but one way, the hardest way, to do it. A shift in the balance of the court and the right case at the right time and there you go.

Note: I'm not talking about banning guns, but on stricter regulations.
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SCOTUS cannot change the constitution. They only interpret the meaning of it and decide how the framers intended for the Articles and Amendments to be applied.
 
MajorTom said:
Why does no one seem to want to get rid of guns I'm America?
I live in the UK, I find it strange how often this kind of thing happens in the US.
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Try being right next door. For the most part we're pretty similar, but this, the racism and religion things really make me feel our countries are far more different than it would seem.
 
PsychoSoldier said:
You would think that eventually, conservatives and business people, even those in the business of selling guns, would have a limit to how much of these human catastrophes that they see before they say "You know what, enough is enough, we need to do something about this now."

And yet
And yet

This proverbial waking up never, never happens. I think it just goes to show the degree to which American hyper-capitalism has no bottom in terms of how little they value human life and dignity versus how much they value making ever more money. It's broken and will continue to get even more broken until something snaps.
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It's more the culture that exists politically as well. There is no 'left' and 'right' anymore, there's only right and wrong (not a pun on right, both sides have the same issues). You have your viewpoints, perhaps viewpoints shared for years with family members and communities, and those communities consist of smart, happy, caring people. Why would they be wrong? Would admitting that, perhaps, if our viewpoints all these years weren't the right ones, or maybe not of these times anymore, mean that my parents, and their parents, were wrong? Surely not! American spirit! Proud eagle! This blessed land, and more patriotic nonsense.

American political debates are very depressing - nothing gets debated, it's about shouting your standpoints long enough until the other side shuts up and you're proven right, and, more importantly, the opposition is proven wrong.
 
Someone tweeted this after the last shooting but if a bunch of preschoolers being massacred didn't start any meaningful conversation about gun control nothing ever will.
 
Who said:
So easy!! How come nobody has thought of this??
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It took Australia 3 months to debate, draft, put the bill to the house, pass it, put it into law. It actually is really easy when you don't have the NRA and gun companies bribing politicians and they actually do what's right.
 
Ninja Scooter said:
Someone tweeted this after the last shooting but if a bunch of preschoolers being massacred didn't start any meaningful conversation about gun control nothing ever will.
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Sad to say but there could have been HD headcam footage of every one of those kids getting blown away, and nothing would have changed.
 
Boem said:
Do you still seriously believe that it's that important to make it possible for Americans to practice one 'fun hobby' if it comes with these insane risks and constant deaths? I'm sure you're able to have safe fun with it, but I'm sure you would be able to find something equally fun to do with your time, especially if it means that some laws exist that make sure some more kids make it to the end of the schoolyear. It's a matter of perspective.
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A lot of legal hobbies have "insane" risks and death statistics attached to them. We don't live in some "no fun allowed" society where everything inherently dangerous is forbidden. The US has deemed that the benefits of gun ownership, even if just for hobby purposes, outweighs the risk, just like many other things. You and others here may find that disgusting or whatever, but like you said, it's a matter of perspective.
 
SuperBanana said:
It took Australia 3 months to debate, draft, put the bill to the house, pass it, put it into law. It actually is really easy when you don't have the NRA and gun companies bribing politicians and they actually do what's right.
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Wait I'm sorry, so nobody in Australia owns a gun anymore?
 
What scares the fuck out of me when it comes to banning guns in this country is that we have militia groups -- actual armed militia groups, and I think like thousands of them, just sort of standing by in the fear that the government will one day come to take away their guns. It's almost like an insurgency waiting to happen or something.
 
Ninja Scooter said:
Someone tweeted this after the last shooting but if a bunch of preschoolers being massacred didn't start any meaningful conversation about gun control nothing ever will.
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I've said this before too. Sandy Hook was one of the only times in my life I felt physically sick from a news story. That level of awful was unprecedented, and nothing changed. Don't think this is going to tip anything further.

Piggus said:
A lot of legal hobbies have "insane" risks and death statistics attached to them. We don't live in some "no fun allowed" society where everything inherently dangerous is forbidden. The US has deemed that the benefits of gun ownership, even if just for hobby purposes, outweighs the risk, just like many other things. You and others here may find that disgusting or whatever, but like you said, it's a matter of perspective.
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Most of the other dangerous hobbies are only dangerous to the people doing them. Not random school children.
 
MajorTom said:
Why does no one seem to want to get rid of guns I'm America?
I live in the UK, I find it strange how often this kind of thing happens in the US.
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the only thing that borders on a legitimate excuse is that it's too hard.

which is the reason it will take a long time to accomplish. it's not an excuse for allowing this to continue.
 
Piggus said:
A lot of legal hobbies have "insane" risks and death statistics attached to them. We don't live in some "no fun allowed" society where everything inherently dangerous is forbidden. The US has deemed that the benefits of gun ownership, even if just for hobby purposes, outweighs the risk, just like many other things. You and others here may find that disgusting or whatever, but like you said, it's a matter of perspective.
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No stop. This is such bullshit. No other hobby is centered around a murder weapon. Insane risks to YOURSELF? Sure. Insane risks to the general populace? No.

Re: bolded- don't shift the blame. YOU and people like yo have deemed this the case. It can change, but people like you are the reason it hasn't.
 
MajorTom said:
Why does no one seem to want to get rid of guns I'm America?
I live in the UK, I find it strange how often this kind of thing happens in the US.
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A lot of people do want to ban them, still more want stronger control laws, and a lot of others don't want to change anything.

In large regions of the US, guns are deeply ingrained in culture. The thing is, the constitution caters directly to that, because the right to have them is right there next to the right to free speech and a free press. The majority may want to strengthen gun control, but it's an uphill battle.
 
Awful news. Even as a conservative, I'm beyond devestated that nothing is truly being done. I reached my breaking point on this issue years ago. DO SOMETHING!

for those of you saying well, maybe this time things will change. Maybe this time action will be taken, I'm a realist.

If things were ever going to change it would have been because and after Sandy Hook. If substantial change wasn't made after a crazy person blew out the brains of children, CHILDREN for the love of God, then I truly don't think it's ever going to happen.

It makes me want to f'n vomit.

Something needs to change with gun control, mental health, and for the love of God start the changes with the very you young to end this trend and thinking of young people we have online. This hits VERY close to home for me, and I'm beyond passionate about it all. Ugh...
 
Piggus said:
A lot of legal hobbies have "insane" risks and death statistics attached to them. We don't live in some "no fun allowed" society where everything inherently dangerous is forbidden. The US has deemed that the benefits of gun ownership, even if just for hobby purposes, outweighs the risk, just like many other things. You and others here may find that disgusting or whatever, but like you said, it's a matter of perspective.
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Do those risks and death statistics typically extend to people besides the person who has the hobby?
 
Htown said:
Absolutely.

I'm mostly talking about the people who go "JUST TAKE ALL THE GUNS AWAY FFS".
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The reason the ban talk is happening is because the simpler/easier solutions to at least mitigating the issues are either defeated in court citing the second amendment or are poisoned by the gun lobby from either getting passed or making the laws that are passed toothless and inconsequential. People feel powerless to stop others from getting killed that they wrong or rightly feel would have been mitigated or stopped all together with bans in place. They are speaking on an emotional level because all rational discourse has been left with an equally immense wall on the otherside. Instead of worrying about all the people who want to ban guns, please do what you can to pressure those on the otherside to be not only be willing but to actually act on making even the most rudimentary existing laws have some teeth. The people calling for bans are only speaking at the same emotional volume they have had to put up with for years on the otherside thanks to groups like the NRA.
 
Piggus said:
A lot of legal hobbies have "insane" risks and death statistics attached to them. We don't live in some "no fun allowed" society where everything inherently dangerous is forbidden. The US has deemed that the benefits of gun ownership, even if just for hobby purposes, outweighs the risk, just like many other things. You and others here may find that disgusting or whatever, but like you said, it's a matter of perspective.
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Yeah, sure, you can get killed riding your bike, but that's not what we're discussing here. This is specifically about gun violence - which happens every single day of the year over there. I'll be happy to discuss the importance of wearing a helmet when bike-related deaths become a major epidemic. But this is about guns - yes, other deaths are bad, but that has nothing do with the issue at hand. That's like saying racism is bad but that we shouldn't worry about it because aids is also bad. It's just nonsense. You say 'The US has deemed' as if God himself has decreed it so, and that it should remain so for all time. You're really just deflecting the issue by saying that.

You're really just giving the perfect example of political debate being dead in America at this point, like I was talking about earlier. It's not about debate, it's about being right or wrong, shouting your opinion and ignoring all counter points, and trying to deflect the issue towards something unrelated when you don't have anything to say about it.

Spoiler: it's not making you or your point look good.
 
Who said:
So easy!! How come nobody has thought of this??

While we're at it, let's make sure everybody has enough food and money. Logistics be damned.

There is no way America could effectively ban guns without it evolving into some type of military-state pseudo, dystopian society and/or all out civil-war.
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It was a general statement.

Cause USA seriously need to ban all those friggin guns.
 
Ninja Scooter said:
Someone tweeted this after the last shooting but if a bunch of preschoolers being massacred didn't start any meaningful conversation about gun control nothing ever will.
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The reason nothing happened was because the entire country didn't see all those dead kids in classrooms. The media and the powers that be do a wonderful job of hiding the reality of all these shootings. We only see the aftermath of the cleaned up injured.
 
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