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My Little Pony FiM Community |OT2| I just don't know what went wrong!

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LuffyZoro

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Videoneon

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Friendship is Magic - Season 2, Episode 3: Too Many Pinkie Pies

Damn. This was a great episode. The execution of the moral of the story was excellent: choosing Pinkie Pie, the pony who loves fun and seeing other ponies happy, the duplicates of herself, the natural consequence of her unrestrained desire to have fun and make others happy. It reminds me of the first ever FiM episode I watched: Party of One (and it somehow seems to have been that many others' first episode too).

This episode for me reinforces that idea that Twilight Sparkle and Pinkie Pie are just perfect as foils to each other. I like Pinkie Pie a lot as is, but both of them together is great recipe for the show. They were great partners in It's About Time, and they seem like the right ponies for each other to turn to in their times of need or just to grow as characters (Pinkie with Twilight in Baby Cakes, Twilight with Pinkie in Feeling Pinkie Keen.) Twilight is "insular" (and I don't mean this negatively, but her interests and work necessitates lots of time reading and concentrating) devoted to her studies, and Pinkie Pie is the show-pony who's all about extraversion and friends, and devoted to the fun. They're both pretty helpful ponies too.

The other ponies were fun too. Fluttershy was awesome again: "I can just not have fun at all if that will help...=(..." Too bad she went and had an epic picnic later! What a despicable friend! And when I first saw Rarity in this episode, I thought she developed a taste for Star Wars or something and was doing some sort of Sith Lord cosplay. Pardon my entry level Star Wars knowledge. Anyway, her hooded costume was hilariously bizarre...and then it's just the usual fabulous Rarity stuff. I also liked Rainbow Dash's Pinkie-Pie-Defense-Fortress.

This episode had a couple of awesome small things that I wanted to point out too:

--The *squee* noise. Pinkie Pie made it when she found out her plan to duplicate herself and have fun all over the place would work. It's the same noise that Twilight Sparkle made when she was on the hike in Dragonshy. And Fluttershy made it too, but I can't remember when. Either way, it is the best thing ever.

--The "classic" MLP face imitation. A self-referential shout-out, suitable to Pinkie Pie. So meta the world collapsed upon itself.
 

PaulloDEC

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Great writeup! Also:

--The *squee* noise. Pinkie Pie made it when she found out her plan to duplicate herself and have fun all over the place would work. It's the same noise that Twilight Sparkle made when she was on the hike in Dragonshy. And Fluttershy made it too, but I can't remember when. Either way, it is the best thing ever.

I love that too. My favourite example HERE, right at the very end.
 

$200

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Friendship is Magic - Season 2, Episode 3: Too Many Pinkie Pies

I like the episode...but at the same time it's probably the darkest and creepiest of the whole series because the show never confirmed if the last Pinkie was actually the original or not.

Also not a fan of Twilight mercilessly killing all the Pinkie clones. This episode was probably the turning point when I started to dislike her slowly.
 

PaulloDEC

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I like the episode...but at the same time it's probably the darkest and creepiest of the whole series because the show never confirmed if the last Pinkie was actually the original or not.

Also not a fan of Twilight mercilessly killing all the Pinkie clones. This episode was probably the turning point when I started to dislike her slowly.

Uh, they were pretty up-front about Twilight sending them back to the Mirror Pool, not killing them:

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Fairly definitive.
 

Tenumi

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not a fan of 2 & 3. 1,4,5 is fine though

You've pretty much hit the nail on the head here. 2 & 3 just have something... off... about them.

I've been debating whether or not to watch the Japanese dub or just do a general English re-watch. Decisions, Decisions...
 

Videoneon

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I'm cool with 1 and 5, 4 is alright. Kinda funny how 5 went with Zettai Ryouiki, but 5 looks decidedly anime-influenced anyway. The angle of the pose in 3 is unforunate (upskirt alert) and in 2 there's a weird age problem with it where she looks like 10. In the world of FiM there is no real hard defined age-look for ponies so it's totally believable that the Mane 6 are in their teens, but with 2 it's kind of this awkward transition so that it looks a little more human and you project more human ideas of aging, yet it doesn't stick.

As for Applejack, I'll be watching for her in Season 3. It's easy for someone like her to fly under the radar when you have such characters like...the other Mane 6, but she's generally had interesting episodes in the past, and she was my favorite anti-pony in the Season 2 opener.

But there have been a few small incidents that have come about from the fans getting too close to the creators, and the creators getting too close to the fans. It does make me worry that maybe they've gotten too close, and I think that maybe they should dial things down a little, but then again, so far I think everyone has handled the situations pretty well, and I've seen other fandoms develop problems even with a lot more distance, so I'm not sure if it really matters.

Would anybody be able to elaborate on this? I haven't kept up on the fanbase all of the time, but the worst that I can think of is people making weird, awkward small talk with FiM VA's or people who who worked on the show at places like BroNYCon. I'm not disputing it, it sounds sort of believable, but I've been out of the loop for a bit and am curious.
 

McNum

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Derpygate might be a good example of creators and fans getting a little too close.

Derpy Hooves is a grey pegasus pony with a blond mane and tail and seven bubbles for a cutie mark. Her other distinguishing feature is her crossed eyes. Which came from an animation error. She became kind of an injoke for the animators and fans, especially in season 2. And then she got a speaking role in Over a Barrel. And while not intentional, she sounded, well, mentally handicapped and played to some sort of bad stereotypes of that. And her name was "Derpy", spoken out loud in the show. Derpy can be seen as kind of offensive if used as a slur.

Some people got upset over this, and not without merit, too, so they complained to Hasbro. Over a Barrel got recalled from iTunes and got re-edited to give Derpy that unnamed grey pegasus a new voice and strike the name Derpy from the show. All rebroadcasts use the edited version.

And some people was upset over that, too. Allegedly this also came with an order not to use Derpy again, but that's mostly hearsay. Se was conspicuously absent for 12 of the 13 Season 3 episodes, only sticking her head back out in the season finale. And winking at the camera. Derpy That grey pegasus pony was not written out completely.

I think that's the only big thing to actually impact the show itself. There have been other instances, but those have been con or fandom related. Derpygate had an episode recalled and re-edited.
 

Cheerilee

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Would anybody be able to elaborate on this? I haven't kept up on the fanbase all of the time, but the worst that I can think of is people making weird, awkward small talk with FiM VA's or people who who worked on the show at places like BroNYCon. I'm not disputing it, it sounds sort of believable, but I've been out of the loop for a bit and am curious.

That was one of the things that crossed my mind.

Also, there was some meme image floating around using out-of-context quotes to suggest that Meghan writes down to little girls, while Lauren respected their intelligence. Meghan and Lauren both saw it and they were both upset by it.

Also people drawing Lauren's attention to porn that was created of her OC.


Basically, just some small stuff that was properly dealt with. But it does make me worry.
 

Videoneon

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how you feel the relationship between the hows creators and the fanbase. Is it good, bad , do you even think it should be there. Do you think it should be greater?

They have done some cool stuff and the communication was awesome from what I remember. "Equestria Girls" was a nice touch, the pre-Season 2 promotional stuff Hasbro came out with like Bridlemaids was phenomenal. That being said, I am particularly suspicious of Hasbro's management of the Friendship is Magic IP. Something doesn't sit well with me regarding the cancelling of the fangame "Fighting is Magic" and I've heard that there have been some merchandise problems from Hasbro's end (brazen mislabeling/miscoloring of ponies, G1-3 look-alikes being sold under G-4 name, merch shortages). They take a hard line on fan content, and though I understand stuff like ponyarchive getting shutdown, I can't get with Fighting is Magic being C&D'd.

Derpy Hooves is a grey pegasus pony with a blond mane and tail and seven bubbles for a cutie mark. Her other distinguishing feature is her crossed eyes. Which came from an animation error. She became kind of an injoke for the animators and fans, especially in season 2. And then she got a speaking role in Over a Barrel. And while not intentional, she sounded, well, mentally handicapped and played to some sort of bad stereotypes of that. And her name was "Derpy", spoken out loud in the show. Derpy can be seen as kind of offensive if used as a slur.

Some people got upset over this, and not without merit, too, so they complained to Hasbro. Over a Barrel got recalled from iTunes and got re-edited to give Derpy that unnamed grey pegasus a new voice and strike the name Derpy from the show. All rebroadcasts use the edited version.

And some people was upset over that, too. Allegedly this also came with an order not to use Derpy again, but that's mostly hearsay. Se was conspicuously absent for 12 of the 13 Season 3 episodes, only sticking her head back out in the season finale. And winking at the camera. Derpy That grey pegasus pony was not written out completely.

I think that's the only big thing to actually impact the show itself. There have been other instances, but those have been con or fandom related. Derpygate had an episode recalled and re-edited.

I think I remember that brief moment in the episode you're talking about; it was Rainbow Dash that called Derpy Hooves by her "name." I basically got into the franchise right after Season 1 aired. But good call, I hadn't even thought about such an obvious pick. It is weird that fans consistently impacted the treatment of this character: first by giving her a name and backstory, then continuing to circulate and build up her meme status within the fanbase which prompted Hasbro to take the meme more seriously, and then Hasbro's direct response to her "portrayal" in Over A Barrel.

To "go there" (and no one has to if they don't want to), I struggle to recognize "Derpy" or "Derp" as an epithet but it would've been more appropriate to begin with that she just make recurring, small appearances in my opinion. I think the term in its origin is decidedly immature and stupid, easily and often co-opted by people who lack sympathy for those who are mentally handicapped, but I sort of don't see it as having a fundamentally discriminatory or hateful origin like some other words. Hasbro didn't put themselves in a good position. Thanks.

That was one of the things that crossed my mind.

Also, there was some meme image floating around using out-of-context quotes to suggest that Meghan writes down to little girls, while Lauren respected their intelligence. Meghan and Lauren both saw it and they were both upset by it.

Also people drawing Lauren's attention to porn that was created of her OC.


Basically, just some small stuff that was properly dealt with. But it does make me worry.

Thanks for the response. I didn't know about the Meghan-Lauren thing, I'll go look for it later. Some of the fans are definitely weird at times, and some of the do brutal things too, I've seen an image macro once that took a bunch of things Lauren said out of context regarding her leaving the show and have generally tried to portray as a hack, selfish/conceited person, etc. That porn thing is totally inappropriate, agreed.
 

ZealousD

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Of all the ponies, which one do you guys think looks best completely humanized?

Depends what characteristics we're judging on. Are we talking aesthetically? Or maybe one that looks most human? Or maybe which one has gotten the best cosplayers?
 

Cheerilee

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Well I guess we can be certain that at least one aspect of Equestria Girls won't suck.
https://www.facebook.com/dannyimusic/posts/514998685214375

I'm not really sure, because I've been watching Littlest Pet Shop, another Daniel Ingram show, and it supposedly has an even higher music budget than MLP:FIM, but... aside from a few standouts, I don't really think LPS has had music that's quite as good as MLP.

I'm thinking that it has to do with the collaborative nature of the musicians and the producers and the show's needs. The producers tell the musicians what sort of music they want based on what's going on in the story. LPS has different producers and a different story.

We still don't know who is producing Equestria Girls (afaik), and we know almost nothing about the style of the show. If the producer tells Danny that this is a show for teenage girls (which it apparently is), and that Human Twilight's new theme music must invoke feelings of "Twilight" (the book/movie), while Applejack is Hannah Montana, Fluttershy is Selana Gomez, Rainbow Dash is Justin Bieber, etc... then I think it's possible for Danny to say "OMG, this series is going to be OFF THE HOOK!" while it's brain-meltingly awful. Either that or, it will be the greatest achievement of humankind. Or maybe something in-between.

Or, Equestria Girls is going to be produced by Jayson Thiessen and the MLP:FIM team (or maybe even secretly Lauren Faust), and it's going to sound exactly like a great MLP:FIM episode, but better (it's a movie, so I expect/demand it to be better).
 

PaulloDEC

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I'm not really sure, because I've been watching Littlest Pet Shop, another Daniel Ingram show, and it supposedly has an even higher music budget than MLP:FIM, but... aside from a few standouts, I don't really think LPS has had music that's quite as good as MLP.

It's actually a bit of a relief to hear that. The music in MLP is one of the biggest draws for me, and I was a little worried I'd end up feeling compelled to follow a potentially crappy show for the possibility of some great Dan Ingram music.
 

PaulloDEC

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I'll preface by saying that I've got zero interest in LPS and plenty in MLP, so it's pretty much impossible for me to be objective.

That being said, the difference in style between the two musical approaches kinda puts me in mind of Dreamworks versus Pixar. I've always been a huge fan of Pixar, as their approach seems to be about strong character drama where the humour comes from the writing above all else.

Dreamworks on the other hand has always seemed to me to be more in line with typical kids entertainment, with a focus on comedy, slapstick and pop-culture references.

In other words, the LPS songs are giving me a Dreamworks vibe, while the MLP songs have generally felt more Pixar to me. Is that a dumb analogy?

I think MLP songs, especially the best ones, tend to be more dramatic and character driven, with tunes that feel like their own things. The LPS songs you've posted all seem to be very pastiche-y, very clearly playing on well-know musical genres. They're good at what they do I think, but they don't strike a chord with me the way the MLP songs do.
 

$200

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I'll preface by saying that I've got zero interest in LPS and plenty in MLP, so it's pretty much impossible for me to be objective.

That being said, the difference in style between the two musical approaches kinda puts me in mind of Dreamworks versus Pixar. I've always been a huge fan of Pixar, as their approach seems to be about strong character drama where the humour comes from the writing above all else.

Dreamworks on the other hand has always seemed to me to be more in line with typical kids entertainment, with a focus on comedy, slapstick and pop-culture references.

In other words, the LPS songs are giving me a Dreamworks vibe, while the MLP songs have generally felt more Pixar to me. Is that a dumb analogy?

I think MLP songs, especially the best ones, tend to be more dramatic and character driven, with tunes that feel like their own things. The LPS songs you've posted all seem to be very pastiche-y, very clearly playing on well-know musical genres. They're good at what they do I think, but they don't strike a chord with me the way the MLP songs do.

Pretty much this. Plus any good about the songs in LPS kind of get overshadowed by the poor visual and character designs; no offence to the creators and fans though.
 

Cheerilee

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I'll preface by saying that I've got zero interest in LPS

The main reason I'm watching the show is for the main antagonists, Whittany and Brittany, the Biskit Twins.

Spoilers ahoy!

Quick background: They've got a rich, distant father who enables everything they do (Goodbye girls. Try not to get expelled today, hmm?), and a professionally-distant butler who appears to understand them completely. And they don't seem to know 100% what a "father" is (they referred to the Blythe's father as a "care-type person"). They're strange, and they don't seem to know the first thing about how to talk to ordinary people, and as a result, the entire school hates them (teachers and students). In apparent response, they've retreated into their twin bond, taken an "us against the world" attitude, and convinced themselves that they're winning.

In the first episode, Blythe was moving into a new city, and the Biskit twins snuck up on her out of thin air, like vampires or something. When Blythe said they scared her, they looked visibly hurt, and said "Yeah, we get that. A lot." But then they tried to make friends with Blythe. They insulted her clothes, but then they offered to help her find better ones. And Blythe shot them down, because they were weird and creepy, and getting rejected upset them.

The next day, Blythe makes friends with a friendly multi-ethnic group of Biskit-haters. And the Biskits get over their anger and try again to make friends with Blythe, this time taking an interest in her interests by rudely looking in her sketchbook without permission. And Blythe shoots them down again, because now she's friends with the Biskit haters (which pisses them off again).

Then Blythe chooses to align herself with the Littlest Pet Shop, rivals of the Largest Ever Pet Shop owned by the Biskits' father. And she has the audacity to stick LPS flyers to their father's store. They decide to attack/humiliate her with pudding and cat litter in response, but of course it backfires. This also is the unveiling of an amazing new trait for the twins, they can put on the thinnest of disguises and they actually believe it makes them invisible. As in, they can dress up as cats, say "meow", and they honestly think that people will be fooled into not recognizing them. What an amazing world they live in.

A couple of episodes later, during gym class, an unusually large girl started being uncharacteristically-mean to all the other kids in class (apparently because standing out was an advantage for her for once), and she was particularly picking on the physically-inept Biskit twins, until Blythe jumped in out of pity and drove the giant off with hurtful words (try picking on someone your own size, oh wait, there is nobody your own size, you gargantuan freak). At which point "the whole school" was talking about how Blythe was best friends with the Biskits, something which very much bothered Blythe's new group of Biskit-hating friends. When Blythe considered accepting the Biskits' signs of affection, since the Biskits were obviously trying to be nice, her friends straight-up said that the Biskits do not deserve second chances. And then they snubbed Blythe for trying. The Biskit twins, on the other hand, were overjoyed and practically declared her to be their third twin. But then Blythe turned into a mean-spirited bitch, and when she realized what she was doing, she blamed the Biskits for making her do it. And the Biskits even let her vent her rage for a while, until Blythe said that she really hated the Biskits, and she was just using them for free stuff.

Basically they're some of the best villains I've ever seen.
 
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