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[WanderingWind]

Good to know so many people are okay with brutally and painfully killing people who are potentially mentally disturbed, as long as the person's mental issues does something against their sensibilities.

I'm more mad at anyone who thinks this guy should be beaten and killed than I could ever be at him for peeping.

Yes. Opinions are worse than actively peeping and masturbating to young girls.

Bravo. You win.

 

[SUPREME1]

Good to know so many people are okay with brutally and painfully killing people who are potentially mentally disturbed, as long as the person's mental issues does something against their sensibilities.

I'm more mad at anyone who thinks this guy should be beaten and killed than I could ever be at him for peeping.

Lmao. Again, oh gaf.

...aaand with that, good night pedo defense-force. It's been real.

 

[The Technomancer]

Obviously killing him is too far, but I don't believe the way in which they reacted was unwarranted. He was on their property and a seemingly potential threat to their family. Impulsive or not I don't know many fathers who wouldn't have acted similarly. Getting beat within an inch of his life is just a the reaction of that impulsive reaponse. On top of that, one was 13 year old girl so there's the stigma of pedophilia as well. I can get behind people saying he didn't deserve to be in critical condition but there are people in here arguing he shouldn't have been beat to begin with which is what my original post was about.

Generally speaking I am not a fan of employing physical force in any situation other then to match other force. If he's running away call the cops, don't pursue him.

Again, I get what the father did. In the moment I might behave the same way. But that doesn't mean I think it was the right thing to do.

 

[Sats]

I wouldn't go that far. Unless he is really truly mentally debilitated (in which case he should be in care and if he's not then that's sad) then he should be functional enough to also know that just because he wants something doesn't make it right

Right, but so many people are instantly jumping the gun, saying "he deserved it" and "he should die" stuff like that. Without even an investigation into his mental state.

 

[otapnam]

Right, but so many people are instantly jumping the gun, saying "he deserved it" and "he should die" stuff like that. Without even an investigation into his mental state.

You don't think he knew exactly what he was doing when he was creeping outside the Window?

 

[The Technomancer]

You don't think he knew exactly what he was doing when he was creeping outside the Window?

Yeah, I'm pretty wary of making any assumptions about just what his mental state was, other then that it probably wasn't quite normal

 

[MIMIC]

Scare him away, tie him up (for the police)....but to savagely beat him?

Unfortunately, the father and the son were too blinded by their own rage and disgust to think clearly. This is just a horrible story that got exponentially worse.

 

[Mackenzie 92]

Good to know so many people are okay with brutally and painfully killing people who are potentially mentally disturbed, as long as the person's mental issues does something against their sensibilities.

I'm more mad at anyone who thinks this guy should be beaten and killed than I could ever be at him for peeping.

I think you're making light of the incident. It was more than just "peeping", dude can and will most likely be charged with sexual assault of a minor, trespassing and probably more charges.

Can't fault the father for protecting his family. He was awakened at 230am in the morning by a naked man in his backyard beating off to his 13 and 15 year old children, that would scare the shit out of and freak anyone out.

Mentally disturbed or not the perv is lucky to be alive and isn't deserving of any sympathy imo.

Scare him away, tie him up (for the police)....but to savagely beat him?

Unfortunately, the father and the son were too blinded by their own rage and disgust to think clearly. This is just a horrible story that got exponentially worse.

Yeah it's pretty obvious they weren't acting or thinking rationally. I doubt they had the intent to kill him tho or he probably would be dead.

 

[WanderingWind]

Right, but so many people are instantly jumping the gun, saying "he deserved it" and "he should die" stuff like that. Without even an investigation into his mental state.

No, they're not. This is pure fiction.

 

[Sats]

You don't think he knew exactly what he was doing when he was creeping outside the Window?

Why would you assume anything like that so suddenly?

If a naked guy ran into a supermarket and started stabbing people, would you assume he "knew what he was doing"?

You can't just make assumptions like that. You have to investigate these angles. The fact that he was naked alone implies something being off about him.

 

[EloquentM]

Right, but so many people are instantly jumping the gun, saying "he deserved it" and "he should die" stuff like that. Without even an investigation into his mental state.

Lmfao who said he should die? Let me ask you something. You're with your family walking in a public place and some dude walks up to you and started jacking off in front of your children. You're going to stop, not immediately react, and attempt to investigate his mental state?

 

[The Technomancer]

Lmfao who said he should die? Let me ask you something. You're with your family walking in a public place and some dude walks up to you and started jacking off in front of your children. You're going to stop, not immediately react, and attempt to investigate his mental state?

I think its weird for someone to say "I'm fine with him being beaten so badly that without hospitalization he will die, but if he actually died that would be too far".

 

[SolidSnakex]

Scare him away, tie him up (for the police)....but to savagely beat him?

The brother apparently confronted him when the sister told him about someone being outside her window. He went to see what was going on and the guy punched him in the mouth and took off running. So a situation where the brother was already angry was made much worse by getting punched in the face by a guy that was already spying on his little sisters.

 

[Falcs]

Justice is served. I'd have done the same thing if I caught some asshole peeping at my wife or daughter.

 

[Sats]

Lmfao who said he should die? Let me ask you something. You're with your family walking in a public place and some dude walks up to you and started jacking off in front of your children. You're going to stop, not immediately react, and attempt to investigate his mental state?

I would grab my children, leave, and call the police.

I wouldn't beat the man within an inch of his life.

"Justice is served." Yeah, and justice should be served on murderers too.

 

[IMACOMPUTA]

Albuquerque? The prowler should have picked the family of a Jackson fighter. Instead of being in critical condition, he'd just be 30-27'd until the cops arrived.

 

[WanderingWind]

I would grab my children, leave, and call the police.

I wouldn't beat the man within an inch of his life.

"Justice is served." Yeah, and justice should be served on murderers too.

 

[Extra Sauce]

Lmfao who said he should die?

He might. That's what critical condition means.

 

[WanderingWind]

He might. That's what critical condition means.

He might not. That's also what critical condition means.

 

[Sami+]

I think its weird for someone to say "I'm fine with him being beaten so badly that without hospitalization he will die, but if he actually died that would be too far".

I think it's more a case of "I still wouldn't have much sympathy if he did, but I'm not going to actively wish for his death", really. That's how I feel, anyway.

If he did die I'd still side with the family. If someone were to do that shit to my sister, lord knows I'd kick him hard enough to break my own legs. That's fucked up and they have every right to be in a rage over it.

 

[EloquentM]

He might. That's what critical condition means.

let me clarify. Who in this thread said he should die?

 

[Sats]

I just don't like to solve problems with violence, except for cases of self-defense. That's just me.

 

[The Technomancer]

let me clarify. Who in this thread said he should die?

Even if he doesn't though being in the hospital in critical condition is a big fucking deal. They said the road was splattered with blood. They didn't just rough the guy up

 

[BeerSnob]

I would grab my children, leave, and call the police.

I wouldn't beat the man within an inch of his life.

I can appreciate that you have concern for someone that might be mentally ill. However his actions such as, target selection, disrobing, assault, and retreat all indicate an understanding of consequences. He will likely be found to have a sexual compulsion and poor self control, coupled with his apparent preference for children could mean that this is a potentially very dangerous person. There are similar cases where men have hidden away in portable toilets or hidden cameras in rooms for peeping purposes and rarely are they found to be significantly mentally ill, from what little I have read on the subject.

 

[EloquentM]

Generally speaking I am not a fan of employing physical force in any situation other then to match other force. If he's running away call the cops, don't pursue him.

Again, I get what the father did. In the moment I might behave the same way. But that doesn't mean I think it was the right thing to do.

I'm not sure who was in the right here, but I surely know it wasn't the pedo.

 

[The Technomancer]

I'm not sure who was in the right here, but I surely know it wasn't the pedo.

No-one was in the right. Sometimes a story has two bad guys

 

[EloquentM]

Even if he doesn't though being in the hospital in critical condition is a big fucking deal. They said the road was splattered with blood. They didn't just rough the guy up

I never denied this.

 

[Extra Sauce]

He might not. That's also what critical condition means.

let me clarify. Who in this thread said he should die?

Based on the logic of some of you people, it would be fair game for a family who just caught a peeping tom on their property to force him to play a round or two of russian roulette.

 

[WanderingWind]

No-one was in the right. Sometimes a story has two bad guys

Not from where I'm sitting. Story has a pretty clear delineation between bad and good.

Based on the logic of some of you people, it would be fair game for a family who just caught a peeping tom on their property to force him to play a round or two of russian roulette.

What an incredibly stupid thing to say. I'm embarrassed for you.

 

[The Technomancer]

Not from where I'm sitting. Story has a pretty clear delineation between bad and good.

Then we have different standards of proportionate force. I don't believe its right to meet anything other then a direct threat to your own life (or the lives of your loved ones) with lethal force. And yes, I would call this lethal force seeing as if he wasn't hospitalized he would die. The force was sufficient to kill him.

 

[SapientWolf]

Right, but so many people are instantly jumping the gun, saying "he deserved it" and "he should die" stuff like that. Without even an investigation into his mental state.

The predominant sentiment is that people understand why the victim's family members beat the shit out of him, and have little sympathy, which is subtly different from thinking that he deserved to be beaten to death. This is a case where people empathize more with the family than the peeping tom, because no one here (that I'm aware of) engages in that type of behavior. It's hard to imagine oneself in that situation.

It's similar to the adults that jump into the lion cage and get eaten. There's little sympathy here for that but no one thinks that they deserve to be eaten. If they somehow escape unharmed no one is going to demand that the person is thrown back to the lion to get what they deserve.

 

[EloquentM]

Based on the logic of some of you people, it would be fair game for a family who just caught a peeping tom on their property to force him to play a round or two of russian roulette.

What?

 

[DigitalRicket]

Protecting your family from a naked peeping tom is chasing him off. Nearly beating him to death is vigilantism. The attackers should be jailed.

Can't you shoot and kill people in certain states simply for trespassing?

 

[Yasae]

WELL IF I HAD KIDS!

I wouldn't go on murderous rampages.

 

[WanderingWind]

Then we have different standards of proportionate force. I don't believe its right to meet anything other then a direct threat to your own life (or the lives of your loved ones) with lethal force. And yes, I would call this lethal force seeing as if he wasn't hospitalized he would die. The force was sufficient to kill him.

Pretty much. We also seem to disagree on what constitutes a direct threat on the lives of your family.

 

[Sats]

The predominant sentiment is that people understand why the victim's family members beat the shit out of him, and have little sympathy, which is subtly different from thinking that he deserved to be beaten to death. This is a case where people empathize more with the family than the peeping tom, because no one here (that I'm aware of) engages in that type of behavior. It's hard to imagine oneself in that situation.

It's similar to the adults that jump into the lion cage and get eaten. There's little sympathy here for that but no one thinks that they deserve to be eaten. If they somehow escape unharmed no one is going to demand that the person is thrown back to the lion to get what they deserve.

In those examples, I've definitely seen people say things like "Darwin Award!" or "Helping the gene pool", stuff that implies that his death means a bonus for the human race because one less "stupid" person is in it.

 

[The Technomancer]

Pretty much. We also seem to disagree on what constitutes a direct threat on the lives of your family.

A naked guy who is running away is not a threat. Sorry. What is he going to do, piss at you from across the street?

 

[Rafterman]

WELL IF I HAD KIDS!

I wouldn't go on murderous rampages.

Gotta love GAF!

Who, exactly, went on a murderous rampage?

 

[WanderingWind]

A naked guy who is running away is not a threat. Sorry What is he going to do, piss at you from across the street?

A naked pedophile stalking your children in the dark is a threat. Sorry.

EDIT: Yeah, pissing on the dude wasn't his exact intention.

 

[The Technomancer]

A naked pedophile stalking your children in the dark is a threat. Sorry.

The fact that they pursued him is what really cinches it for me. People do not just remain threats for eternity.

 

[Extra Sauce]

What an incredibly stupid thing to say. I'm embarrassed for you.

What is your opinion exactly? That it's okay to put a man in a condition where he may or may not survive the night, but it's not okay to immediately murder him?

 

[King Allant]

man don't know what to feel. On one hand this man is critical condition and could die and the other hand he was peeping at two teen girl and could of thought of kidnapping them

 

[otapnam]

A naked guy who is running away is not a threat. Sorry. What is he going to do, piss at you from across the street?

Oh yeah its all good, he's away from the house now. Phew

 

[CassidyIzABeast]

The moral of this story is, don't look at young girls while naked in the bushes.

 

[Sats]

Oh yeah its all good, he's away from the house now. Phew

He ran. Call the police. Don't enact your own weird since of "justice".

 

[The Technomancer]

Oh yeah its all good, he's away from the house now. Phew

Uh...yeah? He's away from the house you call the goddamn cops. Going out, pursuing him, and beating him down is literally vigilantism. He's no longer on your property.

 

[WanderingWind]

The fact that they pursued him is what really cinches it for me. People do not just remain threats for eternity.

Except, actually, they do. These types of behaviors aren't one-offs that just start and stop with the exact same behavior.

 

[The Technomancer]

Except, actually, they do. These types of behaviors aren't one-offs that just start and stop with the exact same behavior.

Which is why we have police. This is why we have an entire system. Direct force is supposed to be the exception that applies in cases of imminent danger.

 

[Yasae]

Except, actually, they do. These types of behaviors aren't one-offs that just start and stop with the exact same behavior.

The all-knowing one has spoken.

/thread

 

[WanderingWind]

Which is why we have police. This is why we have an entire system. Direct force is supposed to be the exception that applies in cases of imminent danger.

Well, now we're just going in circles. Suffice to say, I disagree. I'm perfectly okay with the outcome of this how it lays.

The all-knowing one has spoken.

/thread

...as opposed to anybody else talking about their views? Grow up.