ashecitism
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checked out the ep, since it was getting so much praise. Fight was legit.
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Naruto Manga Thread (OT) - The End is here
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TheRealTalker
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nice fight... just saw it
the drawing's where a little of but the animation and the choreography where great
the drawing's where a little of but the animation and the choreography where great
Hiroyuki Yamashita's that dude.
That's where he shines. These days I only watch the anime when an episode he directs is aired.
luckyguess
Neo Member
Two things I'm wondering.
1. Originally, I thought Sasuke started toward Madara to finish him off (probably) but Hagoromo stopped him and told him he was beyond saving due to having the Juubi extracted. Was Sasuke actually rushing to help Madara or was that just weird wording on Hagoromo's part?
2. Due to the fact that Hagoromo stated that even he couldn't save anyone from dying when a tailed beast is removed, I take that as conformation that Naruto is keeping Kurama for sure, right?
1. Originally, I thought Sasuke started toward Madara to finish him off (probably) but Hagoromo stopped him and told him he was beyond saving due to having the Juubi extracted. Was Sasuke actually rushing to help Madara or was that just weird wording on Hagoromo's part?
2. Due to the fact that Hagoromo stated that even he couldn't save anyone from dying when a tailed beast is removed, I take that as conformation that Naruto is keeping Kurama for sure, right?
luckyguess
Neo Member
Yes at some point. Sometime soon, probably not. Remember, the fight was not just implied by the tone of the story, it was a straight up prophecy from the Elder Toad. Every other prophecy came to pass. I don't see why this one wouldn't unless this is one of those discarded plot threads. If so, that would be a massive discard.
He was pretty much telling Sasuke that rushing to kill him was unnecessary, as he was already about to die from the Bijū extraction.
Er, I recall Hagoromo saying that Madara was beyond saving, not necessarily that he couldn't save anyone from dying from a Bijū extraction.
I mean, you could interpret it that way, but it's still possible that Hagoromo could use Rinne Tensei even in that limited state. Regardless, Madara didn't belong there.
luckyguess
Neo Member
I just interpreted that way because it would have made more sense for the Sage to say "I'm not saving that bastard" than "he can't be saved" if he did indeed have the power to do so.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
I need to. How does it rank to the other shippuuden fights.
-Pyromaniac-
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HOLY FUCK that anime episode was amazing. That Kakashi and Obito fight was brilliant even with the questionable animation. Episodes like that justify the show alone. I'm still drooling over it. So awesome.
Rafa=FedKilla
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Maybe they save it for the movie.
-Pyromaniac-
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animation is an all encompassing word for meI don't think it's the animation you'd want to question.
edit: as for naruto vs sasuke. Kishimoto has been intentionally obtuse regarding Sasuke so it won't be long before he makes his move which will basically be something I'm sure Naruto will disagree with. And then so begins the final fight with everyone out of the dream world and everyone watching.
BlueDogAnchorite
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Great chapter. I just wish Kishi would stop stalling and already show who Naruto is going to be with. I loved that wording about finding a "finding a girl exactly like her mom" It was such a tease
BlueDogAnchorite
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I'm a Hinata fan, and I find that if he does go with the Sakura pairing it would be out of nowhere, since there's nothing in the manga that really supports that pairing. No, that "love confession" from Sakura doesn't count in my opinion. If anything Hinata's reminds me of Minato.
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animation is an all encompassing word for me
edit: as for naruto vs sasuke. Kishimoto has been intentionally obtuse regarding Sasuke so it won't be long before he makes his move which will basically be something I'm sure Naruto will disagree with. And then so begins the final fight with everyone out of the dream world and everyone watching.
They they will all go:
TacticalFox88
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Hinata reminds you of Minato? Really? REALLY, now?
This is deluded nonsense.
Minato is calm, collected, and never gives up.He's created many jutsu of his own and graduated #1 in his class and was a freaking genius.
Hinata, shy, weak, only has her looks going for her, and has no traits outside of wanting Naruto's dick. When she tripped, did she try to get back up to rescue poor Naruto-kun? Nope. Just laid there, while Sakura was busy pumping Naruto's heart MANUALLY, so the mofo wouldn't die.
I really really don't want to get involve in the whole pairing wars crap but after a few posts, I feel like i need to ask this:
How in the world is Hinata like Minato? Seriously, explain that to me cause she is nothing, nothing like him. I mean, on the whole Kushina/Sakura side, I can see some parallels but the whole Minato/Hinata thing, I just can't.
Can someone please explain that to me without going into how Sakura is a bitch and doesn't deserve to be with Naruto schtick? I just really want to how one comes to that conclusion (Hinata being like Minato)
How in the world is Hinata like Minato? Seriously, explain that to me cause she is nothing, nothing like him. I mean, on the whole Kushina/Sakura side, I can see some parallels but the whole Minato/Hinata thing, I just can't.
Can someone please explain that to me without going into how Sakura is a bitch and doesn't deserve to be with Naruto schtick? I just really want to how one comes to that conclusion (Hinata being like Minato)
-Pyromaniac-
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It was one of those classic "ehhh maybe I went about it the wrong way" kind of things
I happen to love the backstory between Hashirama and Madara and feel like the series is going to end on that parallel with Naruto and Sasuke accomplishing what those two couldn't. Hoping for epic battle between the two filled with discussion and flashbacks and thought processes and explanations and bravado and everything.
Don't disappoint me!
It was one of those classic "ehhh maybe I went about it the wrong way" kind of things
Meaning he got Talk no Jutsu'ed by Hashirama. His Talk no Jutsu is almost as strong as Naruto's. Almost.
-Pyromaniac-
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People joke about the TnJ throughout the anime but I don't mind it. In fact like I said above I do hope Sasuke and Naruto have an epic battle but I wouldn't mind at all after some great fighting if Sasuke got TnJ'd. It's what makes Naruto special. It's one of the running themes of the show. It's what separates him from every other character. That he has the ability to win people over due to who he is and how he acts.
I LIKE IT. It's amusing and funny at times but most of the time I like it.
This arc was filled with complete garbage and really bittersweet moments.
Hagoromo might as well be the worst character. Naruto crying at the end got to me for some reason, we've seen the dude go through so much for so long.
I also don't see any reason why Naruto and Sasuke should fight now. Hagoromo only mentioning Naruto is quite a big deal, though. Sasuke must feel useless.
Hagoromo might as well be the worst character. Naruto crying at the end got to me for some reason, we've seen the dude go through so much for so long.
I also don't see any reason why Naruto and Sasuke should fight now. Hagoromo only mentioning Naruto is quite a big deal, though. Sasuke must feel useless.
TacticalFox88
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So...minato has died...twice....both times being on his sons birthday...
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Nice guys always lead the shittiest lives.
Scrooge McDuck
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Mmm. But "talking to appease the villain" is actually a very often-used plot development in many children shows. Those child protagonists always seem to win people over due to vague things like "the fire in their eyes" or "their headstrong optimistic nature" coupled with speeches full of circular logic.
I actually prefer villains being redeemed because I generally want my fiction to be happy-happy and dislike deaths. But if you want to make a story in which a villain who has spent their life doing what he believed in see the "error of their ways" through speech, said speech also need to convince the readers, at least.
Then again, I don't read Naruto, so maybe it's actually written well there?
I know pairing talk is nonsensical, but I think you might want to re-read the first chapters of the manga.
Both the chapter and ep were great.
Nope!
luckyguess
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The parallels between Minato/Hinata and Kushina/Naruto are not based off personality or achievements as a ninja. They are based on the way they observed and approached Kushina/Naruto and their similar roles pertaining to the two romantically.
-Both Minato and Hinata were the very first and only admirers of Kushina/Naruto for a long time. While other peers ostracized them, they were the only ones who saw something special in them before it was cool to do so.
-Both held off on confessing the fact for a while, admiring the object of their affection from afar.
-Hinata is timid with Naruto. Despite Minato's confidence as a ninja, he was also timid with Kushina before they hooked up. Kushina even once referred to him as "feminine" because of his docile nature around her.
-Minato's demeanor contrasts with Kushina's in much the same way that Hinata's contrasts with Naruto's. One calm and low-key, the other fiery and scrappy.
She's a medical ninja, dude. That's what she does. She would have done the same for Kakashi if his heart stopped. You want to see Hinata step up for Naruto? See the Pein fight. I remember Sakura cowering behind some rubble at the time if I recall correctly.
zedreamcast
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You mean when Sakura was berating Naruto and calling him a loser, and the only reason she started treating Naruto like a human was cause Sasuke got angry at her for it? Also how the only real reason Naruto had a crush on Sakura was cause she was pretty?
Scrooge McDuck
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Er whoops. I thought this is the Manga OT, not the Naruto Manga OT. Why would a person who doesn't read a comic go into that comic's OT and then type all that stuff. Sorry, all.
When was this?
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
Oh my God.
I just can't.
What you just said above is just merely interpretation--WILDLY off-base interpretations, if I may add--while we have DIRECT confirmation from Naruto's dad himself that Sakura reminded him of Kushina. Like, DIRECT confirmation. Like, it was there, appeared in his thoughts directly, like Kishi drew it, put the text in it, and displayed it to the whole wide world to see. What more do you need? A sledgehammer to the face?
zedreamcast
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last 4 pages of chapter 3
my memory was a bit wrong, she wasnt calling him a loser but she was still talking smack about him and later does think she should be a bit nicer to him after Sasuke calls her annoying for saying what she said.
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What Hinata did was balls out fucking stupid, don't try and pretend otherwise with this revisionist history.
Naruto had given the order for EVERYONE to STAY THE FUCK out of his fight with Pain NO MATTER WHAT. She was selfish because she DISOBEYED A DIRECT ORDER FROM NARUTO HIMSELF. Now heres where her impulsiveness comes into play. She selflessly didnt want Naruto to die right in front of her so she selfishly disobeyed the order and got her bodyguard in trouble because he was supposed to be making sure she stayed put.
She DID NOT decide that she was going to confess at the outset. She already knew she didnt stand a chance against Pain, but at the same time, she couldnt just sit there and do nothing while Naruto loses to Pain. (By the time she showed up, Naruto was already pinned to the ground and helpless. For all intents and purposes hed lost the fight. The only reason he wasnt being whisked away in that moment was because Nagato wanted to chat.)
Of course, when she first shows up, Narutos initial reaction is to tell her to get the FUCK off the battlefield this fucking instant.
He had to go and question why she was even there and to answer him, she confesses at him to shut him up. Which it effectively does. Hes in shock for a lot of reasons, one of them being that he now realizes theres nothing he can do to stop her and shes probably going to die. Shes being selfish here because shes not even stopping to consider Narutos feelings and what seeing a fellow comrade dying in front of him will do to him. She knows her sacrifice is futile. This is what I mean about her impulsiveness. Shes little more than an insect to Pain, what exactly was she trying to prove here?
That shes dumb enough to pointlessly throw away her life for nothing? That shed rather unintentionally add to Narutos torture than try to do something actually productive? Whatever it is, she doesnt even fucking learn from this because she tries the same fucking thing in 614 and it just makes me faceplam so fucking hard.
Theres wanting to make a difference and then theres pointlessly throwing your life away because you can. (At least Neji had the right idea with meat shielding from a distance. With the size of those spikes, theres no fucking way Hinatas body alone was going to stop those spikes from impaling Naruto from that close a distance. Shounen manga or not, physics dont fucking work that way. Minato and Kushina can attest to this.)
luckyguess
Neo Member
Is that the extent of your reply? Notice Sakura fans offer nothing of substance to dispute my points besides ridicule because... they just can't.
zedreamcast
Member
You do realize that if Hinata hadn't done what she did Naruto would have been captured, had the kyubii extracted and Naruto would be dead yes?
I admit it was pretty stupid of her to do what she did, but guess what LOVE MAKES YOU DO STUPID THINGS. I guess Minato, Kushina, and Neji are stupid as well for jumping in the way of Naruto getting killed, also the juubi spikes werent shot straight at them and wouldnt have pierced hinata through enough to get to Naruto since Naruto was on the ground.
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
I just don't have the energy to refute grand delusions after having participated in the shipping wars (Oh God) in Narutoforums' official Naruhina/Narusaku/Sasusaku thread (and you missed my edit, apparently.)
In any event, it's getting close to the end so we'll see the "result" soon enough.
Maddocks
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He pretty much said that he should have been more optimistic about the future instead of trying to control it. Then the 1st said, we are dying, lets spend our last moments as comrades and not as enemies. Madaras final words pretty much said,"If that's how it ends I wont" I assume he was going to say complain or argue. So like kakashi and obito they became friends at the end and died.
luckyguess
Neo Member
Grand delusions? Coming from a Sakura x Naruto supporter? Talk about irony... You're practically throwing rice because Minato mentioned in passing that Sakura's temper reminded him of Kushina. Talk about grasping at straws.
The Silver
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I demand a new Naruto theead where shipping crap is bannable.
Hear, hear.
Then it'd be just people complaining about "this character deserves better" or "Naruto was good but went downhill during x arc"
Welp I mean, I love NaruxHina but I know that sadly he'll end up with Sakura but man, calling out Hinata like that, she was doing a complete show of love trying to protect someone you care, even when you know you have no chance to make a difference but still giving away your life like that vs a girl that just finally recognizes him just because he is finally strong enough and "oh wow! she, the team medic ninja revived him! she surely is the one!!!!!
I'm really sorry for fueling the shipping wars but despising both times she stood in front of two of the strongest enemies without skipping a heart beat rustled my jimmies.
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