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Naruto Manga Thread (OT) - The End is here
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Mobile Suit Gooch
Grundle: The Awakening
Some people just can't get over the fact that Naruto chose to bust in Hinata's sugar walls instead of Sakura's.
Welfare
Member
Damn it.
Forget the avatar bet, someone overlay sasuke laughing in this and my day will be complete.
Mobile Suit Gooch
Grundle: The Awakening
Is this good enough?
TheRealTalker
Banned
perfection
Yeah, I meant Himawari. My bad.
But yeah, I do hope they get the Byakugan eventually through awakening it. Not sure if that's even possible since we haven't seen a Hyuuga without the characteristic white pupils. It could hopefully lead to a more thorough understanding of the Byakugan--oh wait, the manga is over...
TacticalFox88
Banned
What the fuck at this revisionist nonsense.
Hinata jumped in front of Pein, knowing she was going to die, despite the fact that it was reckless, stupid and selfish (as she herself told him). She just didn't want to die without confessing her feelings first, fuck everyone else.
And somehow Nagato stabs her and she doesn't die? Plot Induced Stupidity.
I knew the arc was going to go to shit the moment that shit happened, and guess what? It did. Manga took a nosedive it never could've possibly recovered from.
Hindsight really is a bitch.
Arc wasn't as good as I thought it was/could've been.
Hinata jumped in front of Pein, knowing she was going to die, despite the fact that it was reckless, stupid and selfish (as she herself told him). She just didn't want to die without confessing her feelings first, fuck everyone else.
And somehow Nagato stabs her and she doesn't die? Plot Induced Stupidity.
I knew the arc was going to go to shit the moment that shit happened, and guess what? It did. Manga took a nosedive it never could've possibly recovered from.
Hindsight really is a bitch.
Arc wasn't as good as I thought it was/could've been.
TheRealTalker
Banned
were youuuuuuuuuu in the avatar bet?
TacticalFox88
Banned
Was.
Had another Avatar bet from another thread, so I couldn't participate in this one.
Ganzlinger
Member
But Neji dies. lol
TheRealTalker
Banned
.....of all the things to complain about in that arc, you highlight that part the most? the one with the least concern?
Not sure if shipper burned or has a very skewed view of writing in general.
Mobile Suit Gooch
Grundle: The Awakening
ah okay
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Shouta
Member
Just to add a bit more if you need, if Sasuke was such an awful person, he would have never kept questioning Naruto and Sakura about why they kept going after him. There are numerous times he asks this, as I recall and he was actually shocked at the Summit when Naruto confronted him and said what he did. He also interacted with them before engaging them fairly often, Hell, I think in the arc just after the Time Skip, Sasuke actually forced Kurama back into Naruto after it looked like it was going to go berserk.
There are a lot of instances like this. It's why the last few chapters, especially 698, were really important to the series. It describes how Sasuke felt and what he saw as a member of Team 7. Naruto, Sakura, Kakashi, they reminded him of his family and he hated remembering all of the pain that came from that incident but he genuinely cared for them. He felt connected to them, specifically Naruto but I'm sure he felt the same about Kakashi and Sakura. The only way that you can reconcile this and his actions throughout the series is that it simply is business for him as he tried to achieve his goals, it meant he had to do something he didn't want to do. And that makes sense, he's a ninja. They have to do what's necessary.
I actually thought the ending of that arc was set up pretty well. Nagato only went ahead with his plan because he saw no other way. He believed that the burden of past experiences hindered any form of lasting peace, and therefore saw brute force as the only option to achieve his goal. He went down the path filled with violence and murder, but it clearly took a toll on him. His mental health deteriorated over the years, and he clearly developed some kind of personality disorder. Other signs of self-loathing are also clearly there, both through the obvious eating-disorder and the self-inflicted injuries.
When Nagato headed towards Konoha he knew that Naruto was the only thing that stood between him and a plan that necessitated mass-murder and the brutal extermination of entire countries. He clearly had to assure himself that it was no other way, that his plan was the only option. That is why he did everything in his power to anger Naruto. He killed his mentor, leveled the village, and brutally "murdered" his "girlfriend" (as far as he knew) right in front of him. But Naruto was willing to let the past go, and that decision tipped the scales. One small glimpse of hope offered Nagato a way out, and he took it. His reluctance to kill Hinata isn't surprising given the trauma he experienced when his loved ones died in the past.
It could be touched on in The Last, or some of the other "new era" projects that are currently in the works.Yeah, I meant Himawari. My bad.
But yeah, I do hope they get the Byakugan eventually through awakening it. Not sure if that's even possible since we haven't seen a Hyuuga without the characteristic white pupils. It could hopefully lead to a more thorough understanding of the Byakugan--oh wait, the manga is over...
PeakPointMatrix
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I mean the ending of the arc was fine. It was kind of wonky, but since Sakura wasn't going to jump in there, and they needed an excuse for Naruto to turn 6 tails, Hinata was fine.
She did pretty much save the Ninja world, because Naruto would have been captured without her...in a weird way.
I mean, it's like you really dislike Hinata for some reason, I'm not going to say she is the most important character ever, but give her some credit at least once in awhile. She had three big moments in the series,
TacticalFox88
Banned
Hinata is awful, but I hate her fanboys than her.
And going by she saved the ninja world logic you could say that about all characters if you want to get abstract enough
Chie Satonaka
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TheKaeptain
Banned
One thing I like about the last few chapters is we get to see Naruto's growth through Sasuke's eyes. That was actually a cool thing Kishi did.
hmmm naruto sakura fans are very bitter and salty
i hope there were no major Russian naruto x sakura fans ..
naruto is apparently very big in Russia, ...you know what else is big in Russia? They have the highest suicidal rates amongst children and teens in the world
....and finally you know what happened to the last reported naruto fan in Russia ? he killed himself cause his favorite character ( itachi ) died t.t
http://kotaku.com/5957364/report-teen-commits-suicide-after-seeing-his-favorite-naruto-character-die
i hope there were no major Russian naruto x sakura fans ..
naruto is apparently very big in Russia, ...you know what else is big in Russia? They have the highest suicidal rates amongst children and teens in the world
....and finally you know what happened to the last reported naruto fan in Russia ? he killed himself cause his favorite character ( itachi ) died t.t
http://kotaku.com/5957364/report-teen-commits-suicide-after-seeing-his-favorite-naruto-character-die
PeakPointMatrix
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Yikes That's gotta haunt Kishimoto a bit, if he knows about it that is. Sure he has zero blame since there is more at play here to that kid's mental health, but still.
Well, if you want, but it really does seem more like blind hatred than anything. And while I won't say that Hinata is the most amazing character, she also didn't flat out insult an orphan in her first appearance. So I guess that earns some brownie points.
While I like Hinata I hate Sakura, so the fact that she ended up with Sasuke, is fine by me since they don't have to mess up any of the other pairings.
You can't pull the "they're ninjas, what do you expect?" card because the entire theme of the show is overcoming adversity because you have people you care about depending on you. These characters are one note - they don't use subterfuge like ninjas. Subtlety is not in their vocabulary. Their emotions are always worn on their sleeves. No one in this world of ninjas have any depth beyond what their thought bubble says at the time.
What Sasuke wanted, at various times, was: the destruction of the entire ninja world, the destruction of Konoha in particular, the destruction of everyone who knew of Itachi's mission, the destruction of everyone he cared about.
Sasuke never wanted Sakura. He never claimed, or even hinted at that much until the penultimate chapter. Sasuke was tormented by losing people he loved, and never learned to make real connections again because his past haunted him. He's a complete sociopath who brought nothing but harm to Sakura. He was willing to kill her on two occasions because she was annoying collateral. Sasuke at his worst always acknowledged Naruto, but Sakura was a second thought - something to be disposed of. Whereas Sasuke dominated Sakura's every thought, Sasuke spared little time thinking of her.
What was one of the last things Saskura said to Sasuke? "If you have any regard for me, no matter how little, you won't fight Naruto." Sasuke responded by calling her annoying and forcing an hallucination upon her wherein he stabbed her to death.
Their assumed partnership is absolutely insane because Sakura and Sasuke have never connected on an emotional level in the entire manga. It's been a one-sided affair the whole run of the manga, one that can only be called a crush because Sakura only loved Sasuke for superficial reasons. It's tonally ridiculous, and cannot be waived away with some "they're ninjas" rationalization. They're still people. They're supposed to trust one another. You obliterate any logical interpretation on how people interact trying to justify this partnership, as it has been presented, by saying people in this world don't really hold grudges (this is laughably, demonstrably untrue, besides).
Vermillion
Banned
Still not as good as "You are better than me Kakarot. You are the best."
But really, not much is
The Silver
Member
Man I still wish Naruto had been structured so Pain would be the last villain, the guy delivered with his invasion. Imagine if everthing he did had stuck, killed Jiraiya, killed Kakashi, killed Hinata, blew up the village and killed god knows how many people. He was the 1st showcase(and should've been the only one IMO) of crazy godlike powers and his demeanor was unlike every other villain, he knew from the bottom of his heart he was a god and no one could touch him. His economic plan to take over the world was smart and his real plan of using "nukes" to keep people in a state of "cold war" was great. It had a good basis in the real world and was grounded while at the same time grand, not crazy anime matrix bullshit.
5 Kage arc made me hate all 3 main characters(well I can understand Sasuke) and I was completely desensitized by the time the ninja war happened, Neji who?
5 Kage arc made me hate all 3 main characters(well I can understand Sasuke) and I was completely desensitized by the time the ninja war happened, Neji who?
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Whose to say they only have one kid
The Last movie is probably going to show their reunion and how they became a couple. I hope we get to see post 699 but pre time skip via the anime and movie.
So much truth here, especially the last sentence which is echoed in chapter 699.
So you're just going to ignore the fact that they became a couple YEARS after all of this. Do you think people have to be in love from childhood to form a relationship?
Rebel Leader
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The movie is definitely gonna touch naruto & hinata but what about the others?Whose to say they only have one kid
The Last movie is probably going to show their reunion and how they became a couple. I hope we get to see post 699 but pre time skip via the anime and movie.
So much truth here, especially the last sentence which is echoed in chapter 699.
Do we know how long this movie is gonna be?
DryEyeRelief
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What are you expecting out a shounen manga? Asuma and Kurenai appear with each other once. Then Kurenai is pregnant. People in this thread talking about how Shikamaru and Temari are the OTP. I don't remember any multiple chapter love confession between the two.
Zoe
Member
ShikaTema had actual interaction and chemistry.
DryEyeRelief
Member
I'm calling bullshit that these characters, as presented, could come together under any circumstance and form a stable partnership. Kishi can timeskip and write them together all he wants. I still think it's stupid and a crude at best facsimile of how humans actually interact with one another. It's also unprecendented in the wacky ass universe it takes place in, never mind with regards to the general sensibilities of the real world.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
so much wrong with this post...where to begin.
Before we begin lol at no depth beyond thought bubbles.
1) No one's pulling anything. Sasuke, Sakura, Naruto are all ninjas. They have been killing people since they were kids. This is the universe where teenages are placed in a forest to fight till their death. The themes of the show are the value of having friendship/love and to never give up on those values....something that is personified with Sakura and Naruto towards Sasuke.
2) Sasuke wanted the destruction of the leaf due to them criminalising Itachi and being ignorant on the fact that is was their beloved hokage that essentially committed genocide. Anyway it was noted by Team 7 and even Karin that Sasuke has actually lost it. After his reunion with Itachi and the hokage's his goal changes dramatically. Furthermore, Sasuke's goal was never to kill Team 7. Team 7 kept interfering with his quest which he told them repeatedly not to and its not like Naruto, Sakura, Kakashi did not try and kill him as well there.
3) Sakura says: "If I still have a place somewhere in your heart, no matter how small it may be....then please I'm begging you don't slip any further away"......and Sasuke is clearly affected by this as he stops walking away. Its been said a million times, Sasuke finds Sakura so annoying because of her unconditional love towards him....it reminds him of the thing he loves the most: family and hence the pain from it all.
4) I don't know what kind of manga you have been reading but Sasuke's care for Sakura has been shown so so many times in part 1, so much so that he expresses gratitude to her before leaving. Sakura's love for Sasuke may have been superficial as a kid but there is no way it stayed that way. Sasuke actually questions why Naruto keeps going after him and why Sakura still loves him and though we get an answer from Naruto, Sakura's reasons are just the same. Love is a complicated thing and Kakashi as a result says something thats befitting: "the only time you need a reason is to hate someone."
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
I feel like Pain would have been a stronger conclusion, but the war arc touched on a lot of supernatural themes that the series had been carrying since the beginning.
It's all well and good to have a ninja world, but things like the Nine Tails felt out of place from the start. The tailed beasts were always important to the story, and investigating their origin during the War arc and beyond added a level of closure to the story that ending with Pain couldn't have done. That said, keeping the beasts as a mystery would have been an alright ending, too, but what we got wasn't as left field as people usually claim it is and actually built off the rest of the series' scaffolding in a lot of ways. Things we got from going beyond Pain:
-Seeing more of the other villages/parts of the ninja world
-Seeing the five kage
-Closure to Danzo's story/Root subplot
-Sasuke finally escaping the "kill Itachi" shadow he'd been living under for the entire series
-Madara and Hashirama's backstory and the history of the hidden villages
-Learning what was on the Uchiha tablet (HUGE hints towards this throughout the series)
-Learning why the tailed beasts exist
-Tobi's identity
The only things that were really out of place were Tobi = Obito (although this was pulled off decently, I would have preferred Tobi actually be Madara or someone entirely new) and Kaguya's revival. Sage Madara was enough a final villain for Kaguya to feel entirely unnecessary, although you could argue that she needed closure as the series' real big bad ever since we learned her role in creating the ten tails. I feel like the techniques being used had to reach astronomically high levels of power because we had finally gotten to the be-all, end-all of a series that had insanely powerful creatures (Nine Tails) from the beginning, and they had to contend with that somehow.
Naruto and Sasuke ending things basically by themselves and the insanely rushed nature of the last few battles show how this all occured by Kishimoto writing himself into a corner, however. The last few arcs lacked a sense of refinement and things like Zetsu and his real identity, and the villain changing every fifty chapters, felt really wonky. I think it's possible to defend the decision to continue the series to the point that it got to, conceptually, but it's undeniably full of flaws in its writing and I can understand why so many people take issue with it.
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TacticalFox88
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Naruto is the Mass Effect of Shounen Manga when it comes to missed opportunities and wasted potential.
-Pyromaniac-
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No one can deny the war went on far longer than it should have and the pacing of it was a ridiculous at times but I agree that it also had a lot of moments that I wanted and was waiting for and were great.
Also about what Sai mentioned previously, I still think Naruto's kids have a different variant of the Byakugan but I guess we'll never find out unless they do an actual part 3 rather than a mini series. And that's pretty cool if they do. The kids different have potential for some craycray shit.
I liked that too. I also liked his explanation of his feelings. It was credible. I see why sasuke would act like he did.
Also about what Sai mentioned previously, I still think Naruto's kids have a different variant of the Byakugan but I guess we'll never find out unless they do an actual part 3 rather than a mini series. And that's pretty cool if they do. The kids different have potential for some craycray shit.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Good analogy, haha.
Part of me hopes the series gets rebooted twenty or so years down the line and they can tell a similar story in the same world with the same characters without all the glaring flaws from the "first draft". Lots of great concepts to work with.
Dragonball kinda needs this too, at least starting around the time Imperfect Cell shows up.
Winterfang
Banned
Relax bro is just a pairing. I was NaruSaku all the way (hinata was a stalker) but I accepted my defeat gracefully.
Your first point refuted nothing.
Sasuke final desire before the word of Naruto Jesus finally broke through to him was to kill everything he cared about. Before that it was to destroy Konoha. Before that it was to kill Itachi. Team 7 is included in "everything he cares about." Also, Sasuke would have explicitly murdered Sakura if not for Naruto saving her at the last moment. I think he tried to kill Kakashi around this time, too.
As to your third rebuttal, Sasuke took pause, and then violently attacked her mind before darting off to attempt to kill their mutual best friend.
In regards to your final rebuttal, what could Sakura's love possibly be built upon? Sasuke has given her nothing but distance and abandonment. Literally nothing else. Before Part 2, where he attempts to give her murder and mental trauma. Love might be complicated but abuse is decidedly less so, especially when it's so explicit.
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