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Naruto Manga Thread (OT) - The End is here
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Anybody feel like Danzo could have been an awesome villain? Would have been awesome to have a civil war arc before this world war arc.
Led to the death? He extracted the 9 tails from her. He killed her.
It's not bullshit, it's a matter of perspective. All shinobi kill, therefore all shinobi ruin lives. Obito was manipulated into believing he lived in a world plagued by a broken system that had been wiped away from reality itself. To that end, as all shinobi do, he killed to achieve his objectives.
I find the "terrorist" label laughable considering we're discussing a manga about shinobi, who aren't exactly the most morally adjusted types. Do you think none of the supposed good guys we root for haven't killed and subsequently ruined lives?
Jiraiya's whole point was that the world is hurting because people keep hurting each other out of hate, because they hurt and hurt others, and he wanted to find a way to make it stop. Nagato thought becoming a god of pain would put an end to it. Obito thought warping reality was the correct way of going about it.
Another quote comes to mind, one by Itachi.
"We are humans, not fish. We don't know what kind of people we truly are until the moment before our deaths. As death comes to embrace you, you will realise what you are. That's what death is, don't you think?"
Both Nagato and Obito, in their final moments, not only realised their mistakes, who they truly were, and they did what they could to redeem themselves, and Naruto choose to remember them as they died, not as they lived, because they were truest to themselves at that time, and that may be idealistic, but consistent with his idealism that allows him to see the good in people.
So even if you call it bullshit, which I obviously disagree with it, it is still bullshit that is consistent with Naruto's character.
No, it doesn't. You don't need to be a saint to be remembered in a positive light. Even a KKK member can have a relative who absolutely despise that part of him but chose to remembers the good that had nothing to do with that.
Of course it applies because even the "good guys" do bad things. I mean, do you seriously think none of the Konoha characters kill unless it's self defence? Of course they do, they're ninja. The fact that we don't see it from the perspective of other characters doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
I believe Danzō, as a character, was meant to show us that not even a seemingly peaceful village like Konoha is above committing atrocities.
Hiruzen and Orochimaru have had enough exchanges to make it pretty clear that there is no grudge because the former knows he isn't necessarily above the later. Orochimaru did heinous shit, but as the leader of one of the Great Five, a veteran of several wars and a shinobi for 60 years, Hiruzen's hands weren't going to be clean either.
That's not true, I'm not ignoring free will, I'm simply making the point that people are shaped by their circumstances, and the shinobi system machine is clear a very, very bad thing that is at least partially responsible for the way certain characters turn out because they were born to a world shaped by that very system. Not all of them turned out evil.
For example, Gaara is a victim of machine, because it necessitated the existence of jinchūriki to maintain balance, and his status as jinchūriki scarred him mentally and it made him a murderous individual - but he eventually changed for the better.
And of course Itachi was forced into killing his clan. If you think he had an actual choice when in both scenarios his clan would be wiped out but in one of them the one that mattered the most to him lived, what choice did he really have? In that instance choice was an illusion.
If we can acknowledge that people might turn to thievery if they're born in a system that makes it hard for them to come by, then by the same token we should be able to understand that shinobi, born to a world of constantly killing, may commit atrocities of their own.
See that's where suspension of disbelief comes in. If you know something that's happening in a book wouldn't make sense in the real world, you suspend your disbelief so you can still enjoy it while it happens in the book. It's actually got little to do with logic because the point of prioritising internal logic of real world logic is to make shit easier to enjoy.
You're being a little disingenuous here. My argument doesn't assert free will has nothing to do with what happens. It asserts that the shinobi world is fucked and that various characters are fucked up because of it, which is pretty much the entire subtext of Part II.
Knowing why these characters all end up the way do doesn't mean they're not evil, it doesn't mean they shouldn't be stopped, it simply means that Naruto understands them, that he can relate to them, because you have to keep in mind Naruto himself acknowledged on more than one occasion that he could have turned out like a Gaara, he could have let hatred consume him and who knows what would have happened then.
Zantetsuken
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Why is his right hand wrapped up? Some more Rasengan stuff?
Probably to hide whether or not he keeps his BFF seal.
Psycho_Mantis
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I like the short hair design and yeah the headband is too thick lol
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SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
LOL
Woody Invincible
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Finally caught up while pretending to work today. The most memorable part in the whole series for me is watching Danzo waste all those izanagi and getting chumpetized by an OP (at the time) Sasuke. I dislike Sasuke, but that was just embarrassing.
Where he keeps sasuke's eyes.
The Silver
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Why isn't Sasuke using his arrows against Kaguya, apparently those things were so fast that Danzo and Kakashi couldn't physically react to them, had to use sharingan hax.
Kurama finished the job though. She was still alive till then and could have live longer too if not for it. Fuck you too, Kurama. Your little excuse of being controlled by Obito doesn't count since you wanted out from all three of your hosts.
Can't see them being any more effective than they were against Obito. Seems to be stuck with these mountain-dicing blades when his Susanoō is in this stabilized state anyways.
Disappointing, by the way. Was hoping for large scale Enton shenanigans, not just Madara's "perfect" Susanoō part deux.
The Silver
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Kushina would have likely lived with enough rest.
Even so, I find it hard to blame Kurama. He was sealed into one host after another for close to a hundred years if not more. What right did humans have to do that to him? If I were Kurama, you're damn right I'd kill whoever tried to take my freedom away.
The Silver
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No even Naruto was going to die after getting Kurama ripped, Kushina was finished.
His "perfect" Susanoō, and his new Rinnegan technique are allowing him to just barely hang, but it's all stuff he could have realistically achieved before, when he had the Eien no Mangekyō Sharingan. It just comes off as so underwhelming, knowing he had to get the ultimate dōjutsu, ain't doing much with it, and slacking compared to the results of Naruto's Rikudō Senjutsu, and Bijū powers.
If he acquires a right Rinnegan, I'm hoping he'll be afforded a buff similar to the one Madara had when he retrieved his left Rinnegan from Obito; his Rinbo: Hengoku was significantly improved.
Kaguya can absorb chakra with hungry ghost realm.
I know it doesn't really come up much since neither Mads or Obito ever bothered to use it, but Zetsu and Naruto both commented on it saying ninjutsu was pointless. So Sasuks arrows wouldn't do anything other then feed her chakra.
I know it doesn't really come up much since neither Mads or Obito ever bothered to use it, but Zetsu and Naruto both commented on it saying ninjutsu was pointless. So Sasuks arrows wouldn't do anything other then feed her chakra.
It's certainly a factor, but Kaguya's been so inconsistent about it. She straight up absorbs the Enton cast by Amaterasu, yet goes out of her way to dodge the flames Sasuke manipulated to escape the glacier he and Naruto were stuck in. And even in this week's chapter, she got an arm lopped off by Naruto's chakra-based attack.
Naruto had been fighting over a day and supplying an entire army his chakra before Kurama was extracted from him. Minato left Kushina to rest after she had Kurama taken from her, she was going to be fine, but then had to restrain the fox with her chakra, and on top of that got stabbed. If Kushina had received proper rest and medical attention afterwards, she would have survived, but she didn't due to the fact Minato needed her to restrain the fox.
Even without all of that, given how B survived the extract by just being super strong, do you really think Kushina wouldn't have had survived even though she's an Uzumaki with exceptionally powerful chakra even by their standards?
The Silver
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his arrows are made up of the same stuff his swords are yet he has no problem trying to attack her with those, Sasuke would be a complete idiot to engage her in close combat over flying around and raining down arrows.
so either Sasuke no longer access to his arrows(another reason his rinnegan sucks) or he's an idiot.
Ya IDK, Kishi hasn't really been paying attention to his own established rules all war arc.
Hungry Ghost Realm is a really stupid power that never should have been introduced, it was kind of balanced being stuck on the fat Pein.
Just honestly, everything about the Rinnegan is super inconsistent, it should have stayed in Nagato's corpse.
Hungry Ghost Realm is a really stupid power that never should have been introduced, it was kind of balanced being stuck on the fat Pein.
Just honestly, everything about the Rinnegan is super inconsistent, it should have stayed in Nagato's corpse.
The Silver
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You have absolutely no proof she would have survived, if she could have survived they would have said it, bijuu getting ripped is a death sentence, it's been said by everyone over and over and nothing to the contrary has been stated or shown.
Bee only survived because the Gyuuki removed a tail before he got swallowed, the entire bijuu wasn't ripped out.
He can still use his lesser, uncloaked, and in stabilized form of Susanoō that wields the bow.
My mistake about B.
Typically jinchūriki as soon as the bijū is ripped from their seals though. Obito remarked that Kushina's Uzumaki heritage was surprisingly strong given how she wasn't killed immediately. All evidence points to the fact she would have been fine with time. Where is your proof that she would have died?
Winterfang
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Is it me or is Sasuke's Perfect Susanoo much smaller than Madara's?
It's not you. It looks smaller to me too.
The Silver
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my evidence is the stated and shown facts that bijuu getting ripped out is a death sentence and their being nothing shown to the contrary.
Naruto didn't die instantly either, they both demonstrated their extremely strong life force that their clan is known for. You have nothing to support your claim she would lived, Obito was surprised she didn't die immediately, he never said she wouldn't die at all.
Winterfang
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Gaara died when they ripped his bijou out and so did all other jinchurikies.
Kushina has him rip out, while she was weak from child birth and still manage to hang out, she is really tough. And hot,
Kushina has him rip out, while she was weak from child birth and still manage to hang out, she is really tough. And hot,
thanks, now that's all i'll think when i see him. he already caught them all
Just for you, Winterfang, just for you
P.S. Don't google Kushina with safe search off.
Winterfang
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Yep, Minato was a lucky guy in some aspects.
Mmm comparing with Sasuke's susanoo. Sasuke is like a leg or half a leg size compared to Madara's. So disappointing
Edit: Wait a minute. Madara's perfect Susanoo has wings also!!!!!
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so I assume this last naruto movie is after the war which means they won
Lol my favorite naruto movie was the one where he gets sent back in time. I don't even know if there was a movie after that
Lol my favorite naruto movie was the one where he gets sent back in time. I don't even know if there was a movie after that
Uh, guys, the designs of Madara and Sasuke's "perfect" Susanoō are exactly the same, except for the tengu maskSasuke's was changed to resemble Indra's after he met with Hagoromo.
It's true that Madara's was approximately twice as large though. When we first saw Sasuke's, I thought the viewing angles and positions were skewing the sense of scale. But, at the least, Sasuke's "perfect" Susanoō has diced up a considerably larger target in Madara's Chibaku Tensei, and from a much greater distance.
It's true that Madara's was approximately twice as large though. When we first saw Sasuke's, I thought the viewing angles and positions were skewing the sense of scale. But, at the least, Sasuke's "perfect" Susanoō has diced up a considerably larger target in Madara's Chibaku Tensei, and from a much greater distance.
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Hashirama's wood golem whatever > susanoo.
This is true also.
Winterfang
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A stated and shown fact is that when a jinchūriki has his or her bijū removed they die, immediately, as was the case for Gaara, and it would have been case for B if not for his clever trick. Another stated and shown fact is that the Uzumaki clan possess incredibly powerful chakra, life force and vitality capable of surviving extraction.
Like I have already pointed out, you're drawing comparisons between entirely different scenarios in regards to Naruto and Kushina. Naruto was fighting a war and had been fighting nonstop for who knows how long, distributing his vast amounts of chakra amongst clones and cloaks to protect hundreds if not thousands of people. By the time Kurama was ripped out of his seal, he was relying entirely on his bijū chakra.
Kushina, while giving birth and simultaneously fighting of a bijū, was not similarly taxed. Obito didn't say she was going die, but that was the obvious implication, or at least it should be obvious, seeing as nothing in Minato's demeanour suggested he was afraid for his wife or that he knew she would die, which he must have known would have been the case for a normal jinchūriki. It was restraining the Kyūbi and protecting Naruto that killed Kushina.
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