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Nashvember Wrasslin' |OT| Big Daddy Cool's Big Sexy Diesel-Powered Month

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BobTheFork

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"Listen up, when a World Champ walks to the ring, the referee always holds the ropes. You wouldn't know anything about that would you boy."

Flair Vs Shane Douglas, the one one sided feud ever.
 
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kiguel182

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Sure, he had a great match with Cesaro, but that's because Reigns has now inherited the old Cena match blueprint. Which is take all your opponent's flashy, impressive moves for twenty minutes (and look like a bit of a chump while doing it) and then win in the last thirty seconds using your less impressive-looking signature move(s). All while we desperately cling to a minuscule shred of hope over the possibility of the more talented guy winning.
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This is from Matt Fowler. It echoes what I thought of last night's match pretty well. This guy is really on point.
 
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serenewarfare

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If/when Reigns does become champion, he's going to either have to turn or they're going to have to change the format of the show. There's no way he can be the guy cutting 20-minute promos every week in the ring. He'd die a quicker death than the Ascension.
 
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Anth0ny

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serenewarfare said:
If/when Reigns does become champion, he's going to either have to turn or they're going to have to change the format of the show. There's no way he can be the guy cutting 20-minute promos every week in the ring. He'd die a quicker death than the Ascension.
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I mean, we've known for a while that the dude can't talk

yet here he is every week cutting shitty recap promos

they want him to be the guy. the guy cuts 20 minute promos every week in the ring. john cena does that. therefore reigns will do that. if he dies every week it's okay because he's the chosen guy and he will get better.
 
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somedevil

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Raw Viewership for 11/16

8pm: 3.541
9pm: 3.290
10pm: 3.047

Avg: 3.293

The viewership was actually higher than the last 2 weeks. But its still the new normal of 3.2-3.4 million who watch it live during the football season.
 
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serenewarfare

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Anth0ny said:
I mean, we've known for a while that the dude can't talk

yet here he is every week cutting shitty recap promos

they want him to be the guy. the guy cuts 20 minute promos every week in the ring. john cena does that. therefore reigns will do that. if he dies every week it's okay because he's the chosen guy and he will get better.
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Cena does it because he can. Cena has always been good enough on the mic to carry a segment by himself, so there was never the fear of his segments dying and people tuning away. Roman is bad enough that it could actively turn people away. And they haven't had him cutting long promos for a while now, because they are aware he's not great at it. He stopped cutting live promos altogether for a while, and his recent ones have been short and to the point, which works for him. Last night was his first "recap promo" in a while, and it was terrible. People went from having a mixed reaction with more cheers when he came out to being silent by the time he was done.
 
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klonere

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serenewarfare said:
If/when Reigns does become champion, he's going to either have to turn or they're going to have to change the format of the show. There's no way he can be the guy cutting 20-minute promos every week in the ring. He'd die a quicker death than the Ascension.
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There are kinda at their limit for wrestling in the format as it is right now though. There is a lot of wrestling and not a whole lot of character building stuff.

They definitely have challenges ahead if they want to make Reigns the guy.
 
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imBask

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somedevil said:
Raw Viewership for 11/16

8pm: 3.541
9pm: 3.290
10pm: 3.047

Avg: 3.293

The viewership was actually higher than the last 2 weeks. But its still the new normal of 3.2-3.4 million who watch it live during the football season.
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boy people sure were excited for that Divas Revolution main event!
 
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serenewarfare

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Toki767 said:
Reigns and Cesaro was the top of the 3rd hour right? Everyone tuned out before it? I'd hate to see that final segment rating.
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The ratings pattern has shown that really no matter what they put in the third hour (Cena, Brock, Taker, Reigns, Wyatt, Bryan, etc.) it pretty much always drops. It has become less of "we don't want to see this specific thing you are putting in the third hour" and more of "we don't want to watch another hour of this no matter what you entice us with".
 
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klonere

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I'm pretty sure they know 3 hours is turning people away and is actively hurting the product in some way but are too locked into a deal that is too lucrative to change in any way.
 
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Kaladin

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Three hours just wears down an audience for any programming. People even tune out matches you'd supposedly want to see like Cesaro vs Reigns, so you can't really argue that must see matches would keep the crowd.

They need to go back to two hours, stop using everyone every week and balance out use of their undercard to make it more meaningful.
 
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Aiii

So not worth it
Kaladin said:
Three hours just wears down an audience for any programming. People even tune out matches you'd supposedly want to see like Cesaro vs Reigns, so you can't really argue that must see matches would keep the crowd.

They need to go back to two hours, stop using everyone every week and balance out use of their undercard to make it more meaningful.
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Instead they will just get rid of the longer matches and do the exact same shit in two hours instead of three.
 
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Roland_Gunner

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somedevil said:
The viewership was actually higher than the last 2 weeks. But its still the new normal of 3.2-3.4 million who watch it live during the football season.
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They were going up against a terrible MNF game and still scrapped against 3 million viewers. Vince better have some kind of awesome plan for the Road to Wrestlemania.
 
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serenewarfare

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As klonere said, they are pretty much locked into three hours now. Their entire TV deal is based around the idea that they have three hours to sell to advertisers. You cut a third off of that, and USA and WWE are basically fucking themselves with a massive loss of revenue. Even if the alternative is ratings and creative deficits, three hours is pretty much here to stay. The absolute earliest they could get out barring a massive ratings decline that basically forces it (talking below 2.0) is their next TV deal, which won't be for a few years now.
 
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slightconfuse

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Kaladin

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Aiii said:
Instead they will just get rid of the longer matches and do the exact same shit in two hours instead of three.
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serenewarfare said:
As klonere said, they are pretty much locked into three hours now. Their entire TV deal is based around the idea that they have three hours to sell to advertisers. You cut a third off of that, and USA and WWE are basically fucking themselves with a massive loss of revenue. Even if the alternative is ratings and creative deficits, three hours is pretty much here to stay. The absolute earliest they could get out barring a massive ratings decline that basically forces it (talking below 2.0) is their next TV deal, which won't be for a few years now.
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The fucked up thing is, I don't even think 3 hours is their issue. It's their format. They have this idea that they must get everyone of their wrestlers who are on PPV on Raw every week.

This does not have to be the case. You can mix it up, give other people more air time and more segments to make different undercard players more meaningful. The New Day vs The Dudleys does not need a segment or match on Raw every week....hell, we don't even have to see The New Day wrestling on Raw every week. That's just one example. Superstars suffer from over exposure mixed with no one giving a shit. That's because you see them every week, but you don't see enough of them for the millions of fans to care.

They can fix this issue with 3 hours or with 2.
 
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Toki767

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Roland_Gunner said:
They were going up against a terrible MNF game and still scrapped against 3 million viewers. Vince better have some kind of awesome plan for the Road to Wrestlemania.
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I think the current plan is Reigns vs Cena.

They're trying to rush that passing of the torch moment but the entire building is going to boo them.
 
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serenewarfare

Banned
Kaladin said:
The fucked up thing is, I don't even think 3 hours is their issue. It's their format. They have this idea that they must get everyone of their wrestlers who are on PPV on Raw every week.

This does not have to be the case. You can mix it up, give other people more air time and more segments to make different undercard players more meaningful. The New Day vs The Dudleys does not need a segment or match on Raw every week....hell, we don't even have to see The New Day wrestling on Raw every week. That's just one example. Superstars suffer from over exposure mixed with no one giving a shit. That's because you see them every week, but you don't see enough of them for the millions of fans to care.

They can fix this issue with 3 hours or with 2.
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The best example of this was New Year's Raw this past year. They only had access to half the roster because the other half was on tour somewhere else and the show was great. It was focused and they had to be creative to make more use of the guys they had. But it's not a limitation they will force themselves if they don't have to. Really, a hard brand split in January when SD moves to USA might be a way out for them, but they won't take it.

Toki767 said:
I think the current plan is Reigns vs Cena.

They're trying to rush that passing of the torch moment but the entire building is going to boo them.
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According to Meltzer, Cena vs. Reigns for the title was the plan prior to Seth's injury, but the whole card is kind of in flux right now.
 
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Angry Grimace

Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Toki767 said:
I think the current plan is Reigns vs Cena.

They're trying to rush that passing of the torch moment but the entire building is going to boo them.
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The current plan is assuredly nothing and I bet you can find 5 different "sources" with 5 different plans.
 
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