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Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
the funniest part was stone cold admitting later that he had no clue what the fuck the point of it was
If your definition of appeal is how your guy is going to behave on a talk show you already lost.
Serpentine
Banned
I'm perfectly ok with Cena in certain capacities. I never want to see him as WWE champ again, or have a feud with an undefeated monster heel ever again, but I'm totally ok with him in his US champion deal he's had this year.
Everything that happens on RAW is given the final say by Vince. Everything good, and everything bad, it doesn't happen without his say so and usually his direct input. Hence the blame on him when a show is mostly bad.
Roland_Gunner
Member
WWE was way worse during the Commish Johnny Ace period but they had guys that people were interested in. With all the injuries and other stuff the only people I want to see are Rusev (whose been buried and hurt), Sasha (slowly being built), and New Day (comedy tag team). Everything else I just want to fast forward through.
Sweeney Tom
Banned
Cena's been trying and good this year, only complaint there is he needs to stop doing the stunner and hurricanrana
it's true, but I can name like 8 guys on the roster worse than cena in both categories.
which brings cena close to the top by default
the wonders of taking time off
Serpentine
Banned
I definitely got on board with Cena during the US Open Challenge. It was completely fucking ruined then by having Del Rio win in a 7 minute squash.
That heat was MADE for an NXT guy. Like...how fucking stupid is WWE? How do you fuck the best thing you've built up in the last year so easily? FUCK FUCK FUCK
FUCKKKK
That heat was MADE for an NXT guy. Like...how fucking stupid is WWE? How do you fuck the best thing you've built up in the last year so easily? FUCK FUCK FUCK
FUCKKKK
if it makes you feel any better
cena is going to squash del rio in 5 minutes when he returns
You are combining different people's opinions into one big general contradictory opinion.
There is no hive mind. There are different people with completely different opinions on just about everything in this thread.
There is no hive mind.
There might be general consensus on certain matters, but that is the best you are getting.
Sibersk Esto
Banned
Authority stink will taint everyone tbh. People were over them at wm 30.
Serpentine
Banned
I feel like Kalisto winning the U.S. title from Cena could've made both a new star and a new Latino star, assuming he's ready
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Honestly think they should just bring up a bunch more dudes and see if they stick because the most over guy on the roster is Dean Ambrose and he's not THAT over.
slightconfuse
Banned
Updated
Last year was a 3.07
This year 2.16
Last year was a 3.07
This year 2.16
God I am going to be raring for Cena squash. So weird.
I hope Crews or someone comes up and takes the belt for good for Cena. Or Sami takes it and they have a unification match with Owens at Mania or something.
Hope springs eternal.
Sweeney Tom
Banned
Yeah, it's especially hard to complain about one place being negative about WWE when everywhere you look that talks about WWE right now is being critical of the product
The Silver
Member
Looking at how badly they're failing to make Roman into another Cena it highlights just how damn perfect Cena really is.
I mean he's the greatest corporate champion you could ever ask for. He's fully committed to the WWE, would never do something like Hogan and go to a rival company,(or do a Rock and leave for Hollywood) Cena's ride or die. He hardly ever takes time off and heals like Wolverine,(unlike poor Austin dealing with lots of injuries) his in ring work is always competent at the least. He can act like a mirror to show off the quality of his opponent and rises to greatness when it comes to big matches.
He has a damn near perfect public image, no big scandals, good on social media, is as all american as you can possibly get. Advertisers love him, he's quick witted as hell, he's a PR machine.
This guy is truly Vince's wet dream.
I mean he's the greatest corporate champion you could ever ask for. He's fully committed to the WWE, would never do something like Hogan and go to a rival company,(or do a Rock and leave for Hollywood) Cena's ride or die. He hardly ever takes time off and heals like Wolverine,(unlike poor Austin dealing with lots of injuries) his in ring work is always competent at the least. He can act like a mirror to show off the quality of his opponent and rises to greatness when it comes to big matches.
He has a damn near perfect public image, no big scandals, good on social media, is as all american as you can possibly get. Advertisers love him, he's quick witted as hell, he's a PR machine.
This guy is truly Vince's wet dream.
blackaroni
Member
I wonder what Vince will try next to boost the ratings. Putting the belt on Big Show?Updated
Last year was a 3.07
This year 2.16
EVERYBODY PANIC!!!
What were the NFL numbers? I was under the impression the Patriots Vs Bills game was going to be huge based on ESPN heavily pushing the rivalry between Bill Belichick and Rex Ryan. I bet a lot of TV shows in general would get slaughtered by that.
blackaroni
Member
#RollinsEra doomed the company.Updated
Last year was a 3.07
This year 2.16
I think the football completely murdered the ratings. So there's that.
Fourth Storm
Member
Wasn't his farewell tour meant to be the WM where he beat HHH again? The end of an era? He's meant to be a once a year special attraction and this year they had him kill Bray - twice - and trotted him out to fight Brock - twice. He's an old, terrible looking limited legend who needs to be coming in now to put over brand new talent on a roster that is desperately thin.
Instead we get that old, terrible looking legend killing some young dudes for no reason other than VKM is only thinking about filling that AT&T in March and needs Taker in some sort of credible state. And you think they are going to have Taker lose what could be his final match, in his home state, at the biggest WM ever? Fuck Taker.
This can all be redeemed by having Balor go over him at WM clean
I see the conversation rolled on a bit as I finished up at work. It's not Undertaker's job to put over everyone on the main roster. That would render what he did for Lesnar meaningless. And yes, Lesnar was over before that WM match, but not to the extent he is now, and he was coming off that big UFC loss. Lesnar was already way over, but he was not "The New Phenom" as he is now.
I can't speak about who Taker has put over in the last 10 years, because I mostly stopped watching from around 2002 to 2011 or so. But towards the end of the Attitude era, Taker was a jobber for the stars like Austin and Rock. They kept him moderately strong so they could feed him to those 2. I was there when he jobbed clean to Austin at Summerslam 98.
As for Bray, he's not a dominant heal. He's capable, yes, but he has not been booked super strong and his programs have been stale for well over a year at this point. As far as I'm concerned, he never rebounded from his loss to Cena. He has no direction at the moment. This is the writer's fault. There's not much for him to lose by doing a job to Taker now. To the kids out there, even though he's old, he's still The Undertaker. And smart marks will stick with a wrestler as long as they keep delivering in-ring or on the mic. If we're going to speculate, Bray could have even asked to work w/ him knowing full well that UT would be going over to send the crowds home happy. As you mentioned, Vince is probably scared of having Taker look too weak going into this Wrestlemania. Again, that's not on Mark Calaway. That's on WWE creative.
I don't always agree with Russo, but wins/losses are not the issue here. The issue is the complete lack of focus/ambition with Bray's character for the past year+.
sf2fanatic
Member
Is there SD tonight or it's still gonna air on Thursday?
I don't question his talent or anything but his character doesn't work for me. And he has been there for way too long winning and it just annoys me more than I enjoy watching it.
He has been having great matches this year for sure. But having great matches isn't the only thing I look for from people.
Mr. Enigma
Member
Once that rating falls down to a 1.x, panic mode is going to set in.
And really, it should. This is pro wrestling. You don't need a fucking horde of writers. It's PRO WRESTLING. Let one person who actually knows their shit to run the show. You have Paul Heyman and Dutch Mantell (Zeb), two of the smartest minds EVER in wrestling, doing absolutely nothing creatively. Shit, at this point I'd welcome Vince Russo back with open arms.
And really, it should. This is pro wrestling. You don't need a fucking horde of writers. It's PRO WRESTLING. Let one person who actually knows their shit to run the show. You have Paul Heyman and Dutch Mantell (Zeb), two of the smartest minds EVER in wrestling, doing absolutely nothing creatively. Shit, at this point I'd welcome Vince Russo back with open arms.
5.12 18-49 rating and 14.256 million viewers.
avengers23
Banned
A whole new batch of goobers to berry:
Still one of the top 5 RKOs ever.
avengers23
Banned
It's definitely not airing tonight, but there is a World Series of Fighting show tonight!
A whole new batch of goobers to berry:
This happened after I stopped watching for a while....if they could do different AA/RKO setups like that every week, I'd be ok with that
BIONIC-ARRRMMM!!
Member
The groundwork's been laid
The Greatest Night in the History of our Sport
Fourth Storm
Member
Me too. I mean is this really worse than David Arquette being WCW champion?
Alright, he took it a bit too far there, but I miss the days when RAW/Nitro were something to talk about. It seems like literally nothing happens week after week.
And enough trolling the live audiences by teasing actual title matches on the show only to quickly clarify that it will happen at the PPV! Enough!
I agree that the cool part of the Lesnar program was passing the torch to Brock as the new final boss but they didn't really play that up much.
As for Bray well....he had to feud with nothing for the Mania match which firmly established the "boring wandering confusing 20 minute Bray promo about nothing" because how do you build a feud against a fucking Titantron.? I dunno man, Bray is probably the most out there and unique character on the roster in this era of incredibly limited creative ambition - he needs big wins over big guys to feel like a real threat or a real star.
How many runs with the belt did Taker get? Taker got to destroy Dusty on his way in immediately then got the better of fucking Warrior and ended up beating HOGAN for the damn belt. They are terrified to commit to new people in any sort of big way in handing out those Ws so your replacement, full time on screen (Brock is part time and can't contribute to the show week to week) Undertaker is a fucking 500 club geek with a fancy gimmick.
To me, who started watching last year, Taker is a musty old man who murdered the credibility of his nearest modern counterpart twice (including a hilarious 2 v 4 burial of the Family on TV) took a dream match (Rollins vs Brock) away from me, got his win back from a shitty Mania match and then did the honors for a man who is untouchable in a feud that was hotshotted to Hell in a Cell. Fuck Taker.
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