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[Woggleman]

By the time this game comes out the backlash to the anti woke backlash will be in full effect. They are ironically making the same mistakes as the woke by complaining incessantly and looking for reasons to be offended.

 

[EDMIX]

I'm sure they do. So why the choice to have her shaved bald instead of hair, even a close cut? Its a STATEMENT to do it that way. Just what that statement is....remains to be seen.


Not shaved bald though. Haircuts mean things. Buzzcut or flattop = military. Close cut but stylized means business, don't wanna deal with messing with hair. All shaved for a woman, very rare cut and usually brings certain associations, typically aggression, suffering, or deliberate counter-culture. Can also mean attention seeking.

I don't disagree with the general association with the bald head as a counter culture idea type thing, simply that I don't know if that is why this is being done in the game.

If she is some bounty hunter, on the run and the wall shows pictures of her and some crew with money, she merely could be altering her look based on being on the run.

The actress in real life has had her hair this way before

 

[FalconPunch]

The fact that you are arguing that Concord was generally received well is laughable. The core mechanics were decent, but the game design was REALLY REALLY bad.

Having decent mechanics is not something ND has. And on top of that the excel at everything most single player games don't.

I guess when you don't have anything to say, you just lie? Quote me where I said Concord was well received..... I'll wait.

 

[mckmas8808]

Not shaved bald though. Haircuts mean things. Buzzcut or flattop = military. Close cut but stylized means business, don't wanna deal with messing with hair. All shaved for a woman, very rare cut and usually brings certain associations, typically aggression, suffering, or deliberate counter-culture. Can also mean attention seeking.

For black women, these reasons aren't the case. I think you may want to expand your ideas on women hair with different races, before you label people too quickly like this.

 

[FalconPunch]

For black women, these reasons aren't the case. I think you may want to expand your ideas on women hair with different races, before you label people too quickly like this.

I truly hope you're black to be making those statements..... The black women I know in our community cut their hair short because making black hair is really taxing. It's very hard to maintain and requires a lot of extra work. As for all shaved, some black women suffer with alopecia and choose to shave it low. Some choose to wear wigs, etc.

 

[mckmas8808]

I guess when you don't have anything to say, you just lie? Quote me where I said Concord was well received..... I'll wait.

You said

Concord was technically sound, it controlled well and the gameplay was alright. It was just generic af chasing a trend that people had long moved on from.

 

[FalconPunch]

You said

So show me where I said it was generally well received? Except you use a different english language than the rest of us, that phrase is not there at all. Now if you made an assumption, all you had to do was say my bad, I thought you said that. Instead you chose to continue digging.

 

[Hawk The Slayer]

The trailer is bad. Is bland. It has lots of references that don't land. 80's anime, tech and movies... Can creatives move away from guardians of the galaxy? The brands? lame.. A red jacket and a red spaceship does not bring up the charisma of Akira or the Swordfish from Spike Spiegel.

The character I suspect cuts his hair for some 'lore' reason like the nutjobs in tlou2.

This trailer felt like a wasted opportunity.

Yeah at the moment I'm not convinced yet that it's truly be a awesome 80sverse especially like you said, it looks like that nutjob in the last of us 2, a grown up version of that abomination.

When I think of a 80sverse sci-fi game I think of a huge budget game like Cobra's Space Adventure or Cyber City ODE, Akira, Outlaw Star etc etc but a full AAA game from them.

However I still wanna hope that they could surprise me even if the chance is small that they'll do a awesome 80sverse type of game since this seems to be the only current big AAA budget game that's trying to do it so I really hope it'll be a nice big surprise even if the chance might not be high.

 

[EDMIX]

For black women, these reasons aren't the case. I think you may want to expand your ideas on women hair with different races, before you label people too quickly like this.

This is true.

My cousins in Haiti often shave their heads, I know lots of parts of Africa do this as well. J jason10mm isn't 100% wrong, those ideas are true, merely they are not the sole reasons one does this, merely that someone can associate low cuts with a counter culture thing.

That actually isn't the case for some people as parts of the world do this normally and its not based on rebelling against something, that idea is more so how the west views this cause someone doing this else where can have those reasons attached, but in other parts of the world, this is generally a normal thing as how hair is seen, is not universal.

That is going to differ from place to place.

edit, I just realized a photo on the wall looks like she has a wig on, it might be to place a wig for a disguise

 

[Black_Stride]

I'm sure they do. So why the choice to have her shaved bald instead of hair, even a close cut? Its a STATEMENT to do it that way. Just what that statement is....remains to be seen.

Because there is NOT one standard.
Theres no cookie cutter definition of what a persons hair style should be.
If they gave her blond hair would we be saying its a STATEMENT?
The only reason you are calling it a statement is because you likely havent been exposed so there must be some agenda.....not everything is a conspiracy, not everyone is out to get you if they do something different.

Tati probably actually had a brush cut when they did the capture and the devs were like actually thats a pretty cool look and decided to keep it on Jordan.

She is known to style her own hair for roles because obviously the hairstylist isnt going to know what to do with a black person hair.

Not shaved bald though. Haircuts mean things. Buzzcut or flattop = military. Close cut but stylized means business, don't wanna deal with messing with hair. All shaved for a woman, very rare cut and usually brings certain associations, typically aggression, suffering, or deliberate counter-culture. Can also mean attention seeking.

I very much doubt this loner bounty hunter is seeking attention.
It does seem shes hunting down her old team or whatever, so maybe they betrayed her thus she became a bounty hunter and is taking them down one by one.

In her team photo she has hair.

 

[Woggleman]

If she is hunting her old team maybe it is similar to RDR and she has no choice.

 

[mckmas8808]

I truly hope you're black to be making those statements..... The black women I know in our community cut their hair short because making black hair is really taxing. It's very hard to maintain and requires a lot of extra work. As for all shaved, some black women suffer with alopecia and choose to shave it low. Some choose to wear wigs, etc.

Of course I'm a black man. My mom has Alopecia and wore wigs most of her life. My wife wears wigs, lace fronts, braids, natural hair, and twists.

I've very familiar with black women's hair. I wanted to clarify for the poster above that black women shave their heads for more reasons than he listed. And most of the times it's not viewed as a negative. Very rarely is it viewed like some in this thread are reacting also.

 

[FalconPunch]

Of course I'm a black man. My mom has Alopecia and wore wigs most of her life. My wife wears wigs, lace fronts, braids, natural hair, and twists.

I've very familiar with black women's hair. I wanted to clarify for the poster above that black women shave their heads for more reasons than he listed. And most of the times it's not viewed as a negative. Very rarely is it viewed like some in this thread are reacting also.

Cool, I just wanted to be sure. A lot of non black people be giving opinions on topics that they don't know nothing about. It's annoying to read sometimes.

 

[Black_Stride]

I truly hope you're black to be making those statements..... The black women I know in our community cut their hair short because making black hair is really taxing. It's very hard to maintain and requires a lot of extra work. As for all shaved, some black women suffer with alopecia and choose to shave it low. Some choose to wear wigs, etc.

<----Is Black.


My sister cuts her hair not for any of the reasons the poster stated, nor is it because "making black hair is really taxing".
Shes had this hairstyle for a little over 3 years now, sometimes she lets it grow out, other times she goes back to a brush cut.
It doesnt take that long to go from brush to long enough to braid.
Its her style.....not everything has an agenda to hurt you.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Its literally the thumbnail for the trailer mate.

P.S
If people dont like the characters "attitude" sure.
But saying shes ugly.
Nah fame, you are letting the mask slide off.

What mask is this fam?
I don't find her attractive so what are you trying to say?

 

[near]

Of course I'm a black man. My mom has Alopecia and wore wigs most of her life. My wife wears wigs, lace fronts, braids, natural hair, and twists.

I've very familiar with black women's hair. I wanted to clarify for the poster above that black women shave their heads for more reasons than he listed. And most of the times it's not viewed as a negative. Very rarely is it viewed like some in this thread are reacting also.

I’m not even sure why this is even being discussed since a video was already linked in this thread where Tati explained she shaved her head bald because she couldn’t be bothered doing her own hair on sets. She chose to be bald because she is mentally ill or just extremely lazy.

 

[FalconPunch]

<----Is Black.


My sister cuts her hair not for any of the reasons you stated, nor is it because "making black hair is really taxing".
Shes had this hairstyle for a little over 3 years now, sometimes she lets it grow out, other times she goes back to a brush cut.
It doesnt take that long to go from brush to long enough to braid.
Its her style.....not everything has an agenda to hurt you.

Hurt me, has an agenda? Brah, I literally have no idea what you're talking about. Also I never once suggested that the reasons I provided encapsulated all the reasons that one might cut their hair. Finally, making black hair is very taxing and I'm talking from my experience. You think sitting down for hours to get braids is not taxing? Or you think some ladies having to use relaxer is not taxing? Anyway, I don't even want to go on this tangent.

 

[Black_Stride]

I’m not even sure why this is even being discussed since a video was already linked in this thread where Tati explained she shaved her head bald because she couldn’t be bothered doing her own hair on sets. She chose to be bald because she is mentally ill or just extremely lazy.

People with fair hair get hair stylists, people with Afro hair have to do their own hair or rely on hairstylists who have no idea what to do with it and end up looking crazy.
But nope its because she is mentally ill or extremely lazy?

You couldnt make this up.

What mask is this fam?
I don't find her attractive so what are you trying to say?

Not being attracted to someone and finding them ugly arent the same thing.
Its possible to NOT find someone attractive yet NOT find them ugly.
This character model is NOT ugly.

 

[mckmas8808]

I’m not even sure why this is even being discussed since a video was already linked in this thread where Tati explained she shaved her head bald because she couldn’t be bothered doing her own hair on sets. She chose to be bald because she is mentally ill or just extremely lazy.

 

[near]

People with fair hair get hair stylists, people with Afro hair have to do their own hair or rely on hairstylists who have no idea what to do with it and end up looking crazy.
But nope its because she is mentally ill or extremely lazy?

You couldnt make this up.



Not being attracted to someone and finding them ugly arent the same thing.
Its possible to NOT find someone attractive yet NOT find them ugly.
This character model is NOT ugly.

Boohoo privileged actress couldn’t get someone to do her hair so she shaved it off in a tantrum. Like there haven’t been hundreds/thousands of black actresses before her who probably went through the same struggles but persevered.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

I think what's unfortunate in all of this is that I completely understand some initial skepticism for the character because the industry has had so many of these types that seem completely generic and forced and the end result in the actual videogame is a poor character that brings no personality or interest to the table and just seems like DEI shoe-in to get SBI brownie points.

But I DO NOT think that's going to be the case here given the pedigree of Naughty Dog's talents. They have always been industry leading when it comes to cinematic direction and quite frankly absolutely blow away so many studios in this regard it's not even close. Their productions are basically on par with some of the best movies and TV series. The character design absolutely seems to fit with the theme they are going for - dark, gritty, mature sci-fi where the main character who is a female actually looks the part of a bounty hunter. She's not attractive, she has some masculine features, but that's kind of what you would expect for a female in this role. As much as I love Stellar Blade, that game was completely ridiculous in a good way but they were not going for an emotional cinematic more grounded experience. They went for the typical over the top, completely unrealistic, Japanese style which IS GREAT FOR THAT GAME but it doesn't work for this one. Someone posted an attractive asian substituting what we have in the trailer and it looked completely out of place with the overall style and theme of this game.

The trailer showed really great performances from the characters and the animation is top notch as everyone expects. I expect Naughty Dog to deliver a very interesting, dynamic lead character, that ends up standing on their own and doesn't come across as some throwaway generic bullet point person that brings nothing to the table like we have seen with so many other games. This is a hollywood actress and ND is known (now more than ever) they have that quality in their games. They will certainly have an uphill battle trying to prove themselves not only with a new IP but also a MC that on the surface seems to be just another throwaway, but they made the choice to go with this move so they will need to prove the haters/doubters wrong by making an absolutely best in class next-gen title and I think they can pull it off.

 

[FalconPunch]

Not being attracted to someone and finding them ugly arent the same thing.
Its possible to NOT find someone attractive yet NOT find them ugly.
This character model is NOT ugly.

Don't know what S0ULZB0URNE is on about with the mentally ill and extremely lazy comments. Not sure how one takes such a large leap of logic however I must disagree with you. While it's true that it's possible to find someone not attractive and at the same time, they're not ugly. This character model is ugly to me. I think Naughty Dog did a serious disservice to the actress. Don't know what to say but when i compare the in game model to her real life pictures, something seems really off.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

People with fair hair get hair stylists, people with Afro hair have to do their own hair or rely on hairstylists who have no idea what to do with it and end up looking crazy.
But nope its because she is mentally ill or extremely lazy?

You couldnt make this up.



Not being attracted to someone and finding them ugly arent the same thing.
Its possible to NOT find someone attractive yet NOT find them ugly.
This character model is NOT ugly.

I don't find her beautiful the opposite of beautiful is what?

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

No mask needed.

 

[mckmas8808]

Boohoo privileged actress couldn’t get someone to do her hair so she shaved it off in a tantrum. Like there haven’t been hundreds/thousands of black actresses before her who probably went through the same struggles but persevered.

You say persevered as if this is badge of honor worthy. Bruh...... She shaved her head. Why are you making it such a big deal? Tantrum?

 

[near]

You say persevered as if this is badge of honor worthy. Bruh...... She shaved her head. Why are you making it such a big deal? Tantrum?

I’m not the one justifying why she is bald.

Also, the way she explains it in the video comes across as exactly that, a tantrum.

 

[JaksGhost]

If the auto default for this shit is always to make them an Asian woman why is there so much hatred for AC: Shadows…

 

[tmlDan]

If she is hunting her old team maybe it is similar to RDR and she has no choice.

I think thats the case, there's also a half covered image of the new leader of the team on the bulletin board

 

[mckmas8808]

I’m not the one justifying why she is bald.

Also, the way she explains it in the video comes across as exactly that, a tantrum.

She explained it as a solution, not a tantrum. She put her boots on and strapped up her laces and found a solution without running to the courts to sue a production company.

That should be viewed as only a good thing. Weird that it's being spun as a negative, since it is literally her own hair and body.

 

[Ghost23]

If the auto default for this shit is always to make them an Asian woman why is there so much hatred for AC: Shadows…

I don't want to open this can of worms, but you know most of the controversy around AC: Shadows is the use of a black man in an Asian setting, yea? Not only that but again another example of a game that went into development in 2020, the time where companies were scurrying for any way to make amends for the identity politics that took center stage in the US at the time.

 

[Leopold]

Looks great. Love the setting.

 

[Kacho]

If the auto default for this shit is always to make them an Asian woman why is there so much hatred for AC: Shadows…

No one was hating on Naoe.

 

[near]

She explained it as a solution, not a tantrum. She put her boots on and strapped up her laces and found a solution without running to the courts to sue a production company.

That should be viewed as only a good thing. Weird that it's being spun as a negative, since it is literally her own hair and body.

Sue the production company for what? Do you think she is legally entitled to a stylist? Lol.

She had one a stylist that couldn’t do her hair. She chose not to wake up earlier to do her own hair. Her solution was to shave it off. I don’t see how that is worth celebrating. It isn’t and wasn’t a sound of mind decision as far as I’m concerned.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

the title is funny :

 

[mckmas8808]

Sue the production company for what? Do you think she is legally entitled to a stylist? Lol.

She had one a stylist that couldn’t do her hair. She chose not to wake up earlier to do her own hair. Her solution was to shave it off. I don’t see how that is worth celebrating. It isn’t and wasn’t a sound of mind decision as far as I’m concerned.

It's not worth celebrating. Nor is it worth getting mad at.

 

[Heaven Angel]

The bald is different matter but how are supposed to assume that the character would look at his best who's been on that ship for years probably. The look she has is probably related to the situation she's in.

 

[Tams]

 

[Shmunter]

 

[Hero of Spielberg]

How do you know she is a lesbian?
If it's the hair, well Ellie, Ciri, Rivet etc have hair. For me, this woman is straight.

I’ve seen a lot of lesbians before so I can tell

 

[Aces High]

Don't know what S0ULZB0URNE is on about with the mentally ill and extremely lazy comments. Not sure how one takes such a large leap of logic however I must disagree with you. While it's true that it's possible to find someone not attractive and at the same time, they're not ugly. This character model is ugly to me. I think Naughty Dog did a serious disservice to the actress. Don't know what to say but when i compare the in game model to her real life pictures, something seems really off.

Naughty Dog fucked up the casting.

Fact is: Not every actor can play a main character.

Christopher Lee
Tilda Swinton
Christoph Waltz
Gary Oldman
Alan Rickman
Maghie Smith

Those are incredible actors with insane skills. But a Hollywood producer who knows his craft would never cast them as a main character.

Same goes for Tati Gabrielle.

And this is not about skill. Christoph Waltz is one of the best actors to ever walk the Earth. But the main character got to be Brad Pitt because he has a gift called charisma.

Just like Karen Fukuhara. She has charisma. Everyone likes her. She's a main character actor.

It's super obvious that Naughty Dog wanted to make a political statement with the bald girl protagonist.

That's where the saying "Go woke, go broke" comes from:

They cast Tati because she checks political boxes. But they end up alienating the audience and doing Tati's career a great disservice.

So maybe the arrogance we see in bald girl is just a mirror of Neil's true character.

 

[ResetEraVetVIP]

People just want to hate this game for no reason…

 

[Mister Wolf]

Was a fun discussion. If you're ever interested in how deep the rabbit hole goes on that topic watch this documentary:

 

[shamoomoo]

It has more to do with the presentation itself(like wasting a video on the shaving the head part), design choice and history of the company and Cuckman himself.



What part of this discussion revealed anger? Now if people don't like what they saw that means they are angered?

I'm talking about overall anger. Also, considering most of the games shown at the VGAs didn't have proper gameplay means how can anyone be angry? That's okay if some didn't like the reveal of Intergalactic,but it wasn't too dissimilar from everything else shown.

 

[Tams]

Was a fun discussion. If you're ever interested in how deep the rabbit hole goes on that topic watch this documentary:

I know and

 

[tmlDan]

the title is funny :

wow this is so funny i didnt laugh

 

[ResetEraVetVIP]

Stupid posts like this where the poster thinks they can shame/bully/peer pressure people into accepting their world view are just that..... stupid. It's not going to work and we don't want this shit. ND can take this shit and shove it where the son doesn't shine. Read the room buddy.

Sony have to remove Neil Druckman as the head of Naughty Dog lest he drive the studio into the ground with his asinine decision making. You'd think coming off the controversy in TLOU2, the studio would want to reset and reconnect with their fanbase. Nope this dude is a shit stirrer that just wants the smoke and I'd hate for the talent at Naughty dog to be put at risk because of this guy. They need to bring Bruce Straley back because this shit has got to stop.

TLOU 2 was the most highly awarded game at one time. TLOU 2 is the best game ive EVER played in my life. TLOU 2 is a milestone in gaming no matter if you like it or not…

 

[Heimdall_Xtreme]

In her team photo she has hair.

Yes.... ..

But still is ugly .

Does not meet best-selling Waifus standards.

 

[FalconPunch]

TLOU 2 was the most highly awarded game at one time. TLOU 2 is the best game ive EVER played in my life. TLOU 2 is a milestone in gaming no matter if you like it or not…

Maybe awards mean something to you. They mean nothing to me. If you enjoyed the game, I'm happy for you. I didn't enjoy it and don't share your opinion. TLOU1 was significantly better in my opinion. As to whether it's a milestone or not, you certainly don't get to decide what is a milestone for others lol.

 

[TMLT]

Trying to appeal to the Playstation fans of course. This is a Playstation game.

Are Playstation fans all lesbians?

 

[Heaven Angel]

People just want to hate this game for no reason…

Exactly, I don't understand the hate behind this. If the character appearance is bad it somehow became a bad game?
I'm all against woke but this seems stupid.

 

[mckmas8808]

Naughty Dog fucked up the casting.

Fact is: Not every actor can play a main character.

Christopher Lee
Tilda Swinton
Christoph Waltz
Gary Oldman
Alan Rickman
Maghie Smith

Those are incredible actors with insane skills. But a Hollywood producer who knows his craft would never cast them as a main character.

Same goes for Tati Gabrielle.

And this is not about skill. Christoph Waltz is one of the best actors to ever walk the Earth. But the main character got to be Brad Pitt because he has a gift called charisma.

Just like Karen Fukuhara. She has charisma. Everyone likes her. She's a main character actor.

It's super obvious that Naughty Dog wanted to make a political statement with the bald girl protagonist.

That's where the saying "Go woke, go broke" comes from:

They cast Tati because she checks political boxes. But they end up alienating the audience and doing Tati's career a great disservice.

So maybe the arrogance we see in bald girl is just a mirror of Neil's true character.

So what happens if this game is critically and financially successful?