Kacho
Gold Member
At the end of the day these studios are responsible for what they make. If their creative choices don’t resonate with 50% of their primary audience that’s on them.
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The Fartist
Gold Member
It'd be so hilarious if the game pulled the rug from under people and it turned out Jordan is a total slut that can't get enough of that robot and alien D! Just hungry for cock.
I'm sure GAF would find a way to shit on that too, though.
I'm sure GAF would find a way to shit on that too, though.
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Putonahappyface
Gold Member
Even A.I. cannot defend this shit.
Rubim
Member
I never ever played a game were the protagonist said: There's only two genders. But I did play one that try to teach me that gender is a spectrum, an assassin cult only kills tyrants and that a pirate band that's famous for stealing never appropriate a culture when stealing artifacts, they only steal abandoned ones.
Now I was playing Indiana Jones, and the side character made a comment about Indy stealing and robbing from tombs, his reply? History should not be buried, should stay up to be studied.
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Why would that be appealing?
mrqs
Member
If you're right, then you mean is that the title of 'art director' might not mean much. But, looking at MobyGames it seems that he wasn't the art director, but just one lead artist. The art director was Erick Pangilinan, and it looks like he retained that role at ND until July last year.
TropicanaTwista
Member
Ah yes, the dying brand that is PlayStation
C'mon guys, I think kost of the hatred is over the top to begin with but some of this is just total nonsense
The Fartist
Gold Member
Hilarious, not appealing.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
ND hasn’t released a single game that’s bombed, so not sure why we’re doubting them here
Their goal isn’t to resonate with 100% of people, it’s to make a successful game they are inspired to make
Kacho
Gold Member
If you think the Naughty Dog name means instant success then I'm not sure why you're worried about nuanced discussion being lost.
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mrqs
Member
The girl in the trailer types '7202' on the keypad when selecting the song (2027 but in reverse), might be a hint. Also, Rafa Grasseti just entered the project as the art director, which is weird because usually that stuff gets figured out early in the gamedev cycle, but I'm not from the industry to know for sure. It's my best guess.
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TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
I have a feeling that just like TLOU2 you won't actually see them celebrating millstones
TLOU2 definitely reached 10mil but we're all adults here and know why they haven't celebrated a milestone since, let's not pretend the game is at a imaginary number they didn't boast about.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Not only did it draw people into the PlayStation eco system....... It drew people to HBOMAX.
Aces High
Gold Member
That's marketing bs.
The people working at ND today are not the same. The people who built the success have left.
Evan Wells
Bruce Straley
Amy Hennig
Josh Scherr
Christian Gyrling
These people are no longer there.
It's the same with Blizzard:
Is Blizzard my favorite game development studio of all time. Yes.
Do I buy modern Blizzard games? Hell no! I wouldn't even touch that shit with a stick if they paid me.
Nickolaidas
Member
I don't think how many copies it will sell matters as much as how many copies they ESTIMATE it will sell. If Sony/ND estimated that due to ND brand name, marketing, PS5 brand power and customer base, this game needs to sell 20 million copies in one year, if it sells 10 million they will see it as a failure.
Also, if they see many people bitching about the character's appearance in social media, downvotes surpassing the upvotes and they correlate that with less copies sold than they intended it to sell, there probably WILL be some discussions whether they overplayed their hand with the desexualization of female characters and their overall course in making everything androgynous.
The 'talks like an MCU character' stopped being a '+' in personality traits for 12 months now. It's old, it's boring, it's tedious. People are bored of the 'gonna act like I am a video game character instead of a human being' personality, making edgy jokes while they are facing life-threatening situations. They want characters to act in-character again, not make puns every 5 seconds as if they know their purpose is to entertain an audience.
One of the biggest reasons the Naked Gun trilogy and the Airplane flicks are so successful in their comedy is the fact that while the movies are ludicrous, the majority of the characters act as if the movies themselves are serious. Even the soundtracks resemble solid action movies. That's the joke. Instead the MCU route is characters acting as if they are role-playing instead of existing. It was funny at first because it subverted the tone of the first MCU movies, but afterwards (as they made more and more MCU characters act like that) it began to feel as if they were making fun of themselves. This erased the sense of stakes and realism, and one of the biggest reason is characters being written as if they play on a Saturday morning cartoon.
That's no personality, that's just overdone and boring at this point.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
I never said instant success, there’s always risk, but I wouldn’t bet against them
I’m not worried about nuanced discussion impacting its success, I just think it’s pathetic how outrage grifters online pounce without just letting the game speak for itself when it comes out. You can be skeptical or cautious without outright boycotting it over a choice of a main character’s looks
mrqs
Member
Game dev cycles should be "4 years or go bust," IMO. Having a team doing the pre-production work while one game is in full development, then 4 years focusing on the new project after the current one releases.
Anything longer than that should be rejected by every human developer.
Who wants to be grinding on a game for 6-7 years?! That's like 15% of your adult working life (considering a typical worker from 18 to 60). You would only be able to work on like 5 games while still being productive. And it might even get cancelled or be a bad game! This is unacceptable.
Anything longer than that should be rejected by every human developer.
Who wants to be grinding on a game for 6-7 years?! That's like 15% of your adult working life (considering a typical worker from 18 to 60). You would only be able to work on like 5 games while still being productive. And it might even get cancelled or be a bad game! This is unacceptable.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
People leave all the time for various reasons, many of those people have been gone for ages and they’ve continued to crank out classics
They just released a GOTY title 4 years ago, much of the same talent still is there
Little Chicken
Banned
Even A.I. cannot defend this shit.
She kind of looks like Pepper from American Horror Story in this shot.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
No, The Last of Us Part II was a completely different beast. lol
Not only did people hate Abby because of her appearance, but they also hated her because of what she did to Joel and you were also forced to play as her during the second half of the game. There were MORE reasons to hate this character, especially when you consider Joel was a beloved character from the first game.
This didn't just piss off the "anti-woke" gamers, but it pissed off "woke" gamers as well.
This was also months before the game's release, which was fresh in people's minds and it was getting spoiled across Twitter, Facebook, and Twitch.
Kacho
Gold Member
No one ever waits for the game to speak for itself. They react to whatever the marketing team put out. For example, Obsidian put out a gameplay trailer for Avowed that was so poorly received they went back and reworked several things to improve it.
When a studio puts out trailer that's controversial people are going to react to it, online grifters included. No one is immune to this, not even mighty Naughty Dog.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
I'd say that's fair.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
We don't need to pretend. We have stolen information that leaked on the internet.
It's between 15 and 16 million total units sales, as of Summer of 2023. I'm gonna assume they'll boast about the sales numbers when TLOU2 Season 2 starts or around the Finale.
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
This won't end well.
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The Fartist
Gold Member
I get the down votes for Intergalactic, but Witcher 4? That looked sick as fuck, I know the up-votes heavily out-weigh the down, but still way too many down for how awesome that trailer was.
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fudgybrownie
Banned
76 pages?! Naughty Dog and Neil Druckmann continue to live rent free in the minds of neogaf members.
LectureMaster
Gold Member
Cool easter egg if true.
NeoIkaruGAF
Gold Member
OK, could be.
It’s still hilarious that her way of “fighting for hair equity” (a highly debatable concept to begin with, but I don’t want to derail the discussion) is to get rid of her hair completely.
It would be even more hilarious if they decided to have a shaved protagonist because the actual hair of the model was too hard to animate properly during action sequences. But we’ll never know, as admitting that would be hair inequity at its finest.
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Thats incredibly reductive.
Theres not only two types of faces in the world.
Beautiful and Ugly.
Not everything that isnt beautiful is ugly
Where would plain jane fit....she aint beautiful but she aint ugly.......we need to go non-binary theres not only black and white, theres a whole spectrum, where would purple fit in a black and white world.(i couldnt help it)
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Nickolaidas
Member
Ciri is *now* a witcher, which destroys the lore, since it has been established that women cannot become witchers.
Ciri has special powers and they could work on that, but they chose to ruin the lore.
Many also think she looks ugly, but I don't really see it. She looks older and like she had botox, but she's not hideous.
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mrqs
Member
I'd bet 5-10% dislikes on something is right around the average. I don't think it's particularly higher for the Witcher 4.
FunkMiller
Member
Not only did it draw people into the PlayStation eco system....... It drew people to HBOMAX.
Ah yes. Can't wait for the discourse to repeat itself on an absolutely massive scale when this comes out.
The Fartist
Gold Member
LOL, I said almost the exact thing on page 75
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Every time!
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
I don't see any numbers there other then a guess work and assumptions by posters.
This just tells us it sold 6 million digitally, and as games sells more digitally, 4 million or less physically sounds about right.
FunkMiller
Member
Sorry, but I really have to call out how dumb statements like this are.
A video games forum?! Having a big discussion over the latest game from the most popular games developer in the world?!
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
The Fartist
Gold Member
If you're serious, I will honestly consider quitting gaming, Jesus titty fucking Christ. No wonder the majority of gamers don't get laid. Fuck me.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
Where's the other leak
Crayon
Member
I like flashing the brands. I'm a brand hooker irl.
I'd prefer the shoes be puma but adidas is perfectly acceptable. If those were Nike, I'd be less hype. And if they were New Balance, this game would be a no-buy til it's patched.
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Robb
Gold Member
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Some people are a bit concerned about the character design changes for Ciri in the reveal trailer, or the lore implications, and that's fair. But given that CDPR's writing tends to be very good and not ideologically compromised, it's nowhere near enough to write off Witcher 4. Consensus agrees. Only a <10% dislike count.
Different story with Intergalactic. Whether you agree with it or not, the negative reaction isn't some fringe element. It's not just rage baiters or trolls or bots or review bombers. It's happening everywhere that you won't be censored for not being on board.
That statement is especially disingenuous because a very large number of the comments in this thread are vehemently defending the product, so it's not like it's 76 pages of the same opinion being shouted into the wind. It's a back and forth.Sorry, but I really have to call out how dumb statements like this are.
A video games forum?! Having a big discussion over the latest game from the most popular games developer in the world?!
There's also a very large number of posts stating there are a large number of posts in this thread. Like an unreasonable amount.
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The Fartist
Gold Member
They should've had Chuck Taylor's like Elie wears, that would've been a cool nod to TLoU.I like flashing the brands. I'm a brand hooker irl.
I'd prefer the shoes he puma but adidas is perfectly acceptable. If those were Nike, I'd be less hype. And if they were New Balance, this game would be a no-buy til it's patched.
Also, didn't you hear? New Balance aren't dad shoes anymore, they're cool now. I own 3 pairs.
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fudgybrownie
Banned
Lol fuck. I was on page 20 something last time I viewed this thread. Was certainly not going to view every page so skipped to the end.
Nickolaidas
Member
The Fartist
Gold Member
I hear ya, I just thought it was funny, I'm certainly not the first to ever say it.
Solar panels? Yes, they are pretty useful.