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[Kharnivore2099]

Though this certainly sucks for Naughty Dog as a company, it's certainly saved a lot of people a chunk of change. People will no longer have to endure the gameplay to see the story unfold, which will be a relief to some. The people that enjoyed the gameplay are going to buy it regardless, so I'm not that fussed about the situation over all.

It's shitty that the story was leaked, but i'm not invested financially or emotionally in ND, don't own a PS4 and didn't really like the first TLOU...so it's hard to be that bothered by it.

 

[Ten_Fold]

You can keep this SJW, movie game. I liked the first one, but I gotta pass on this one.

 

[DigitalScars]

Point being knowing the story will not make the experience any less amazing, and no amount of leaky online assholes can't spoil that.

I'm in absolute agreement, knowing the story generally doesnt ruin it for me and I know I'll enjoy the gameplay. However the story being absolute dogshit (which it is from spoilers) will ruin it for me.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

The Last of Us 2 gameplay leak came from dev that hates its divisiveness

Plenty of spoiler ridden footage was leaked online by alleged disgruntled Naughty Dog employee.The Last of Us 2 leaked gameplay footage was supposedly

www.sausageroll.com.au

This is an interesting narrative people are attempting to push even though their best written game, TLOU wasn't written by her. Never mind that now we need to pretend Uncharted 4 was mediocre for some reason, I'd argue besides some stuff near the end (a problem most entries have) it's probably the best entry. Like throwing in how Ellie is gay in the DLC as if Hennig had any say over creative decisions in TLOU in the first place is pretty laughable. But, whatever.

 

[Carna]

the only naughty dog games I liked was jak 1/3,

Fuck Sony for letting this game happen, I probably won't buy a PS5 up to this point, if they let things like this happen to their franchises (fuck, I don't want another Gravity Rush game now)

 

[Hobbygaming]

Would be amazing if this sells 3M+ in the opening week with even all this controversy.

That would be awesome and I can see it happening too

 

[Explosive Zombie]

the only naughty dog games I liked was jak 1/3,

Fuck Sony for letting this game happen, I probably won't buy a PS5 up to this point, if they let things like this happen to their franchises (fuck, I don't want another Gravity Rush game now)

So you didn't like TLOU in the first place but you're upset about what they let happen to it as a franchise?? Make sense man.

 

[Carna]

So you didn't like TLOU in the first place but you're upset about what they let happen to it as a franchise?? Make sense man.

What's your point? Even if I don't like many naughty dog games, this single game alone sets up a bad example for the industry to follow, it could influence other games to take a similar direction.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

What's your point? Even if I don't like many naughty dog games, this single game alone sets up a bad example for the industry to follow, it could influence other games to take a similar direction.

Why is it a bad example? Personally I can't tell if it's a "bad example" until I play it.

 

[lifa-cobex]

This is an interesting narrative people are attempting to push even though their best written game, TLOU wasn't written by her. Never mind that now we need to pretend Uncharted 4 was mediocre for some reason, I'd argue besides some stuff near the end (a problem most entries have) it's probably the best entry. Like throwing in how Ellie is gay in the DLC as if Hennig had any say over creative decisions in TLOU in the first place is pretty laughable. But, whatever.

You're right about Hennings involvement with TLOU. As far as i'm aware she didn't have any involvement.
However the reporting of Henning leaving because of Druckmann rumors have been reported for a while now. We know at least four months of script got scrap as Troy Baker let it slip.
And in no way would I pretend that Uncharted 4 was mediocre. I would just outright say it. Because it was.
I'm not saying it was bad. I just didn't get much out of it. From what it did deliver, I would say I got more from previous titles.

Hell from all that post aside, I don't even 100% believe that it was a dev who leaked the info. I probably lean towards it being a game tester or translator.
I'm not trying to push a narrative. I linked to a gaming site with supposed "insider info". Then posted a pic with a tldr of side page. Then posted a random grab from a chan site to remind people of Hennings departure.
It's just food for thought. Take it or leave it.

 

[DForce]

What's your point? Even if I don't like many naughty dog games, this single game alone sets up a bad example for the industry to follow, it could influence other games to take a similar direction.

There's nothing wrong with the direction. People are just being sensitive. One side doesn't like the lack of diversity and the other side doesn't like a mostly female cast of characters.

You know what people are saying now, "I don't have a problem with main female protagonist or gay characters" when they actually do.

The Walking Dead series pushes diversity to its limit, but it doesn't take away from the actual story that has nothing to do with politics.

 

[TheStruggler]

Lmao I dont get the "fuck sony for letting this happen" of course this game would get approved REGARDLESS of the story, the first game printed money and was one of thee best new IP's last gen. Also remember this is Naughty Dogs game and THEIR vision, not yours. Everything in the media is not always going to be dictated to what YOU like, so stop being self indulgent morons and think that everythinf has to be for you. You dont see me shouting at the creators of Toy Story because I want the characters to get merc'd..., now because those movies and genres arent for me.
The peopl coming here and complaining "fuck NG and fuck Sony, im never buyying this game of a ps5. You sound no better than the people who suicided their own accounts back gaf saw adversity and were saying "fuck evilore"
Stop yelling at clouds, stop begging for attention like a woman. When Daddy speaks you can speak back when permission is given.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

You're right about Hennings involvement with TLOU. As far as i'm aware she didn't have any involvement.
However the reporting of Henning leaving because of Druckmann rumors have been reported for a while now. We know at least four months of script got scrap as Troy Baker let it slip.
And in no way would I pretend that Uncharted 4 was mediocre. I would just outright say it. Because it was.
I'm not saying it was bad. I just didn't get much out of it. From what it did deliver, I would say I got more from previous titles.

Hell from all that post aside, I don't even 100% believe that it was a dev who leaked the info. I probably lean towards it being a game tester or translator.
I'm not trying to push a narrative. I linked to a gaming site with supposed "insider info". Then posted a pic with a tldr of side page. Then posted a random grab from a chan site to remind people of Hennings departure.
It's just food for thought. Take it or leave it.

I wasn't attacking you, the narrative simply doesn't gel for me. I don't get finding Uncharted 4 mediocre (easily the best and most open combat encounters of the franchise) but that's a whole other issue not really worth going through in this thread.

 

[BacklashWave534]

You know, i would feel bad for the developer under most circumstances. But when i caught wind of the extreme level of SJW infused identity politics that were needlessly thrown into this game i had to know what people were talking about. No spoilers but they essentially dumped the entire premise of the game to push an agenda. Nothing comes across natural at all. Just extreme level of pure cringe. This is what you get when you pay Anita Sarkeesian to consult for your game. I for one am glad that i get to save $60 on this one.

 

[Senhua]

Thanks but no thanks, you can keep this (and GOT too). Maybe I will watch the games at twitch when I have time and that's it.
No more one sitting 10-20 hours ‎¥9000 movie games for ever again.

 

[BacklashWave534]

You can keep this SJW, movie game. I liked the first one, but I gotta pass on this one.

I assume you saw the same thing i did. They took lovable characters, and a great plot and threw it all away to push some of the most insane levels of SJW identity politics i have ever witnesses in the entertainment industry. Sony must really be focused on retweets over sales this time around.

 

[alabtrosMyster]

The anti-woke tribe is crazy, just play the game and enjoy it or hate it afterwards.
Don't judge a book by its cover and do not judge me by my tits.
Shiz, I am woke lol

The woke tribe is pretty insane too, I'd say they both have a point (SJW: Racism\discrimination\prejudicism is bad, anti-sjw: The way you do anti-discrimination is vengeful AND discriminatory itself).

Then you have those who just learned that wokeness=bad therefore anything that remotely looks like it is automatically bad... They really care for the long story, and the counter reaction to a reactionary movement is just as bad and hollow as what they are responding to.

 

[leo-j]

So are we to pretend that if a women is a lesbian she won't realistically have lesbian interactions or relationships ?
I'm not looking at spoilers, I'm just following the biggest complaint. Which is "she's a lesbian" basically. This was clear in the DLC, which no one complained about. But okay.

 

[DForce]

Spoiler: spoiler

I assume you saw the same thing i did. They took lovable characters, and a great plot and threw it all away to push some of the most insane levels of SJW identity politics i have ever witnesses in the entertainment industry. Sony must really be focused on retweets over sales this time around.

That's pushing SJW identity politics?
The reach is pretty strong with this one.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

So are we to pretend that if a women is a lesbian she won't realistically have lesbian interactions or relationships ?
I'm not looking at spoilers, I'm just following the biggest complaint. Which is "she's a lesbian" basically. This was clear in the DLC, which no one complained about. But okay.

They also don't like that there's a buff woman in it because those don't exist ever.

 

[Hideous Snake]

This thread turned into a stand-up comedy show

Thanks for the laughs everyone

 

[evanft]

Dudes with anime avatars talking about the portrayal of women in media. Welcome to Clown World 2020.

 

[thelastword]

Avoid all spoilers, it's not too hard, go in clean...…….There's no reason to watch anything on LOU 2 right now...….I hope the disgruntled employee is being dealt with, there are other ways to settle wage issues than to be so immature about it......Leaking footage to spoil the game because you didn't get more money is the most childish thing you can do.....That employee has literally destroyed their career and employability by doing this......I'm not sure any other studio is going to be happy to accept some one like this, so if you have issues at work and signed NDA's, you're just going to sabotage the project and consumers because of your feelings?

 

[leo-j]

I unfortunately read a little bit of the spoilers. People are being EXTRA with their reactions. Literally the amount of hatred because this isn't your typical straight person straight world story. Oh no, a game that actually deals with shit in life.

 

[wzy]

The only reason this is a story at all is because the game courts the exact kind of audience that needs to be performatively devastated at all times. If you want to avoid leaks and spoilers, it's not that difficult to do so. What cannot be avoided, for a certain stripe of player that I'll just simply describe as "dealing with some personal issues", is an opportunity to Feel Bigly in Public, or at least pretend to.

 

[martino]

Lmao I dont get the "fuck sony for letting this happen" of course this game would get approved REGARDLESS of the story, the first game printed money and was one of thee best new IP's last gen. Also remember this is Naughty Dogs game and THEIR vision, not yours. Everything in the media is not always going to be dictated to what YOU like, so stop being self indulgent morons and think that everythinf has to be for you.

Amen !

 

[RavenSan]

I unfortunately read a little bit of the spoilers. People are being EXTRA with their reactions. Literally the amount of hatred because this isn't your typical straight person straight world story. Oh no, a game that actually deals with shit in life.

Yeah, because if Ellie was straight everyone would overlook all the other stupid shit in the leaks.

Are people overreacting? Sure. Are people overreacting because it's not "straight" -- fuck no.

 

[prag16]

"soon"

 

[Explosive Zombie]

Yeah, because if Ellie was straight everyone would overlook all the other stupid shit in the leaks.

Are people overreacting? Sure. Are people overreacting because it's not "straight" -- fuck no.

I mean to me there's two crowds that have overlap with each other... the people who want baby stories for children where their protagonists are invincible and people who can't stand anything "SJW" like the existence of women or gays in their games.

 

[Bladed Thesis]

And in no way would I pretend that Uncharted 4 was mediocre. I would just outright say it. Because it was.
I'm not saying it was bad. I just didn't get much out of it. From what it did deliver, I would say I got more from previous titles.

Uncharter 4 was mediocre in comparison to 1-3. It felt like a major step down and had lost some of that Uncharted energy. But it was still a good game.

 

[RavenSan]

people who can't stand anything "SJW" like the existence of women or gays in their games.

The existence of women or gays in their games? Are there actually real life people like that? I don't mean twitter reaction threads. I mean have you, in your actual life, met someone who hated a game SOLELY because it had a woman or a gay person in it?

To me that's always been such a bullshit strawman argument -- because most of the time I see that argument, it's cherry-picked snippets of a conversation without context, whereas the full context provides an alternate reason other than misogyny, which often gets thrown out as "invalid, and masking the ACTUAL misogyny they actually have" anyway.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

The existence of women or gays in their games? Are there actually real life people like that? I don't mean twitter reaction threads. I mean have you, in your actual life, met someone who hated a game SOLELY because it had a woman or a gay person in it?

To me that's always been such a bullshit strawman argument -- because most of the time I see that argument, it's cherry-picked snippets of a conversation without context, whereas the full context provides an alternate reason other than misogyny, which often gets thrown out as "invalid, and masking the ACTUAL misogyny they actually have" anyway.

Oh shit, no one ever is misogynist or homophobic? Great argument. Hey, speaking of cherry-picked snippets without context being judged... that's what's happening to TLOU II.

 

[RavenSan]

Oh shit, no one ever is misogynist or homophobic? Great argument. Hey, speaking of cherry-picked snippets without context being judged... that's what's happening to TLOU II.

Not what I said at all -- I asked if you know anyone who hates a game, and their primary , or a significant reason for hating it is because a woman is in it, or a gay person.

And you're right, the leaks aren't the complete product. I wasn't saying people aren't over-reacting. in fact, i specifically said people were. We can agree on that, no?

I just said I don't think people are overreacting because Ellie is gay. (Or a woman!)

 

[Explosive Zombie]

Not what I said at all -- I asked if you know anyone who hates a game, and their primary , or a significant reason for hating it is because a woman is in it, or a gay person.

And you're right, the leaks aren't the complete product. I wasn't saying people aren't over-reacting. in fact, i specifically said people were. We can agree on that, no?

I just said I don't think people are overreacting because Ellie is gay. (Or a woman!)

You're asking me for a weirdly specific example of something.... but uh...

Please DON'T make Ellie gay in The Last of Us Part 2! - The Last of Us Part II

For The Last of Us Part II on the PlayStation 4, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "Please DON'T make Ellie gay in The Last of Us Part 2!".

gamefaqs.gamespot.com

 

[wzy]

I mean to me there's two crowds that have overlap with each other... the people who want baby stories for children where their protagonists are invincible and people who can't stand anything "SJW" like the existence of women or gays in their games.

TLOU is a baby story for children. It's just that the children are in their 30s and unable to feel anything without two screens and a button prompt.

 

[EverydayBeast]

People who spoil content just can't experience it the first time like the rest of us.

 

[Explosive Zombie]

TLOU is a baby story for children. It's just that the children are in their 30s and unable to feel anything without two screens and a button prompt.

Good one, you sound intelligent.

 

[B-universe]

You're asking me for a weirdly specific example of something.... but uh...

Please DON'T make Ellie gay in The Last of Us Part 2! - The Last of Us Part II

For The Last of Us Part II on the PlayStation 4, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "Please DON'T make Ellie gay in The Last of Us Part 2!".

gamefaqs.gamespot.com

Oh boy.

Why didn't you simply quote the relevant bits? Please quote the alleged misogamy and alleged homophobia in the OP you decided to link. Thanks in advance.

Then you ask why I have trouble establishing your good faith.

Do you or do you not concede that there can be legitimate reasons for not wanting a protagonist to have this or that characteristic?

For the record, I have absolutely no problem with Ellie being lesbian and I loved the first two TLoU2 trailers to death.

 

[RavenSan]

You're asking me for a weirdly specific example of something.... but uh...

Please DON'T make Ellie gay in The Last of Us Part 2! - The Last of Us Part II

For The Last of Us Part II on the PlayStation 4, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "Please DON'T make Ellie gay in The Last of Us Part 2!".

gamefaqs.gamespot.com

Right -- so you think everyone (or most) of the people who think the leaks point to it being a poorly written game are doing it with the same reasoning as this one, specific whackjob?

 

[Explosive Zombie]

Right -- so you think everyone (or most) of the people who think the leaks point to it being a poorly written game are doing it with the same reasoning as this one, specific whackjob?

That's quite the goalpost move you just made! I thought you just wanted to know if I had any examples of ANYONE hating a game or being upset about a game simply for having a gay/female in it! Now suddenly I have to prove to you it's the majority of people who are mad about these leaks? Not sure that onus is on me.

Oh boy.

Why didn't you simply quote the relevant bits? Please quote the alleged misogamy and alleged homophobia in the OP you decided to link. Thanks in advance.

Then you ask why I have trouble establishing your good faith.

Uh... look at the title of the damn thread, lol, I don't need to quote relevant bits, the thread is someone pleading with Naughty Dog not to make a character gay.

 

[wvnative]

So do we think they will pursue legal action against whoever leaked it?

 

[Blue_Barry]

Can't really be bothered reading through the thread. But to summarise, why are people angry? Is it because Ellie is gay....?

 

[Explosive Zombie]

Can't really be bothered reading through the thread. But to summarise, why are people angry? Is it because Ellie is gay....?

Spoiler

Ellie is gay and has a relationship, another new female character is buff and some people assumed a tranny (lol trannies in a post-apocalypse makes total sense!), the buff girl is the daughter of a surgeon Joel killed in part 1 and wants revenge... she kills Joel, Ellie kills a bunch of her people so she then goes after Ellie, second half of the game is you hunting Ellie down, many people THINK buff woman kills Ellie but the leaks don't absolutely prove that.

 

[B-universe]

That's quite the goalpost move you just made! I thought you just wanted to know if I had any examples of ANYONE hating a game or being upset about a game simply for having a gay/female in it! Now suddenly I have to prove to you it's the majority of people who are mad about these leaks? Not sure that onus is on me.



Uh... look at the title of the damn thread, lol, I don't need to quote relevant bits, the thread is someone pleading with Naughty Dog not to make a character gay.

The issue is the R E A S O N he is giving, the R E A S O N others in this thread are giving.
And I'm not even defending him or his rationale.

Your implicit assumption is that there can never be a legitimate storytelling reason to ask for the protagonist in a sequel not to have this or that characteristic.

And so here we have it.
You've come full circle.
Congrats.

As I said before, you're doing the exact same thing. You letting politics rule over storytelling.
How predictable.

 

[TheStruggler]

The existence of women or gays in their games? Are there actually real life people like that? I don't mean twitter reaction threads. I mean have you, in your actual life, met someone who hated a game SOLELY because it had a woman or a gay person in it?

To me that's always been such a bullshit strawman argument -- because most of the time I see that argument, it's cherry-picked snippets of a conversation without context, whereas the full context provides an alternate reason other than misogyny, which often gets thrown out as "invalid, and masking the ACTUAL misogyny they actually have" anyway.

Lol the majority of comments in here for people who dislike it have already stated "cant believe naughty dog had their way, another game that appeals to SJW's, pass for me"

 

[Explosive Zombie]

The issue is the R E A S O N he is giving, the R E A S O N others in this thread are giving.
And I'm not even defending him or his rationale.

You implicit assumption is that there can never be a legitimate storytelling reason to ask for the protagonist in a sequel not to have this or that characteristic.

And so here we have it.
You've come full circle.
Congrats.

As I said before, you're doing the exact same thing. You letting politics rule over storytelling.
How predictable.

What implicit assumption have I made? How am I letting politics rule over storytelling? What in God's name are you talking about?

 

[leo-j]

Lol the majority of comments in here for people who dislike it have already stated "cant believe naughty dog had their way, another game that appeals to SJW's, pass for me"

I've come to a conclusion the majority of people here are super conservative. Terms like "far left agenda" sounds like political posts from the trump administration tbh.

 

[TheStruggler]

Can't really be bothered reading through the thread. But to summarise, why are people angry? Is it because Ellie is gay....?

Apparently because the game appeals to SJW's and they dont want those type of politics and political messages in their game.

 

[Ten_Fold]

I assume you saw the same thing i did. They took lovable characters, and a great plot and threw it all away to push some of the most insane levels of SJW identity politics i have ever witnesses in the entertainment industry. Sony must really be focused on retweets over sales this time around.

.

 

[TheStruggler]

I've come to a conclusion the majority of people here are super conservative. Terms like "far left agenda" sounds like political posts from the trump administration tbh.

Personally I dont care whose politics you support but Im not going to bitch about it in game. If a game cane out that supports Trump as a hero I dont give a fuck, if it has good gameplay, story, characters etc im not limiting myself of experiences because the game doesnt fully align with my own points of view, thats how you become a bigot.