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NBA 2017 Playoffs |OT| WE DID IT
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beau_beaumont
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Wow, what a game! It was close from start to finish. Of course, I'm a bit biased since the Jazz won. Still feeling some residual anxiety from that last play. Not sure if I'll get any sleep tonight.
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Clippers are garbage.
Clippers look like they're tired of this basketball thing. Only guy that was at a playoff level was CP3 and he was a little too run down to carry them the whole way, I thought when he hit that 3, then came back and pulled up off the dribble for another attempt it was a clear sign he was tired and he bricked it. He came back and tied it anyway, but there's only so much water the little man can carry, especially when he's been in and out all year.
Last year I was saying all season the Thunder's window was closing(and it didn't take special insight to see), but they played it out. It's the same for the Clippers this year, but it looks like they know. I'm guessing they make it to Oakland anyway, but that's gonna be a beat down.
WTF is Crawford playing 29 minutes for when Redick only has 27? Maybe Ballmer's faith in Rivers will finally crack after this game.
Last year I was saying all season the Thunder's window was closing(and it didn't take special insight to see), but they played it out. It's the same for the Clippers this year, but it looks like they know. I'm guessing they make it to Oakland anyway, but that's gonna be a beat down.
WTF is Crawford playing 29 minutes for when Redick only has 27? Maybe Ballmer's faith in Rivers will finally crack after this game.
darkwing-buck
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Just got back to see the Joe Johnson buzzer beater. lmao the guy's name is ISO JOE, why did they put crawford on him 1 v 1?
Because Utah never called a time out and got a look against a defense that was still trying to reset in transition.
darkwing-buck
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.Utah has a bright coaching staff. Rivers kept subbing for offense and defense at the end, so when Paul tied the game he had his offensive players out there, meaning Crawford in for Luc, and Utah caught them by not calling time out. Joe went around a perfunctory screen someone set and Blake switched it without thinking so that left Crawford on Joe. Oh, DJ had himself a McGee-esque contest too, where he's 12 feet in the air so it looks impressive, but he's in fact a step too late to actually affect the shot.
tldr: Regular season defense.
the_batman
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lol at people on here putting down Kawaii, they'll shut up when he wins his second Finals MVP this year. he's the best overall player in the NBA.
Doc is overrated, he got lucky in Boston with his crew of wily, hungry vets.
Doc is overrated, he got lucky in Boston with his crew of wily, hungry vets.
MRI was negative, hyperextended knee. Pretty sure he'll be back, Jazz lose a couple games he'll definitely be back.
friskykillface
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Doc and Vinny both had the same impact
Western conference semi finals
These guys just can't win, that choke years ago from being up 3-1 or was it 3-2 really killed their moral
Western conference semi finals
These guys just can't win, that choke years ago from being up 3-1 or was it 3-2 really killed their moral
Not necessarily. No structural damage, just a bone bruise, so it's really up to him when it feels good enough to come back. Could see him missing a few games.
Hyperactivity
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I don't think it's that Chris Paul can't get it done without star teammates. I'm starting to think his teammates are just shit without Chris Paul
Get this man out of LAC. Give him to San Antonio or NOLA or something
I'm not entirely sure about that ranking. KD became a really great rim protector and defensive player around last post-season and it followed into this season too. Add his consistency and variety in ways to score
Curry has the highest scoring potential, a crazy gravity to him, but I don't think, if I had only one star on my team, that he would necessarily be the best option.
Curry isn't a top 3 playmaker. He's a great playmaker, and unlike most other elite playmakers is also elite off the ball (only Lebron is similar in that regard), but he is not, on his own, an elite playmaker.
Get this man out of LAC. Give him to San Antonio or NOLA or something
I'm not entirely sure about that ranking. KD became a really great rim protector and defensive player around last post-season and it followed into this season too. Add his consistency and variety in ways to score
Curry has the highest scoring potential, a crazy gravity to him, but I don't think, if I had only one star on my team, that he would necessarily be the best option.
Curry isn't a top 3 playmaker. He's a great playmaker, and unlike most other elite playmakers is also elite off the ball (only Lebron is similar in that regard), but he is not, on his own, an elite playmaker.
Probably not. However there are a few teams that he could jump too (he's a free agent this summer) that would give him an opportunity to get close.
Just watched the Jazz-Clippers, holy game Batman. I'm not sure I've ever had an emotional rollercoaster this big watching an NBA game.
Guy in the right it's me watching Gobert crawling on the floor. At the end of the game I was JJ.
I still can't believe we stole this without Rudy.
Guy in the right it's me watching Gobert crawling on the floor. At the end of the game I was JJ.
I still can't believe we stole this without Rudy.
Big Baybee
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Paul carried that team when he needed too. Blake and DJ are to unskilled to be effective when it matters. Reddick disappeared.
Needs a Straight Outta : The Playoffs follow up
I don't think he's good enough to completely shoulder the load, the Clippers as a whole aren't good enough, and the coaching staff/environment doesn't seem to be the sort that develops championship winning teams. Let's be honest, what team let's one of their star players punch and break their hand on their equipment manager?
All three of these players seemed to buy into whatever their coaches were selling to them and, in the case of Hakeem and Duncan, were generational talents that were exceptionally good on both ends of the floor.
Out of the top 3 seeded teams, the only one the Clippers can beat are the Spurs, for whatever reason. But they aren't got no hope at all against Golden State if past games are indicative of anything.
Mix Master
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cavs won by the grace of god lol.
JetBlackPanda
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You mean the grace of CJ. Miles. As a Jazz fan nothing makes me happier then seeing Smiles brick buzzer beaters for other teams.
Guys that Jazz game was magic last night. I love these guys. It's awesome to see vets do their thing.
Hill, Diaw and Johnson!
Honestly though, we're about to resign his ass too. If he keeps this regular season ball in game 2 onwards, I'd say we get rid of him for pieces and picks.
538 makes a compelling argument that Curry and LeBron clearly impact the game more than any other NBA player. Interesting analytics on the effect they have when on the floor (part of their series on the arguments that can be made for various MVP candidates):
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-case-for-stephen-curry-mvp/
Exploratory
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People who think Curry isn't a great playmaker don't understand gravity at all. He could have 5 assists but he consistently creates 4 on 3 opportunities which is why NBA defenses cannot guard the Warriors. He literally is why they keep winning. It's ridiculous.
Its easy to have "Gravity" when you play 8v5 most games and dont get called for defensive fouls 80% of the time
What? If Curry got half the calls Harden (or even Westbrook) get he'd average another 4-5 points/game. I've never seen a superstar get less calls.
You should try rewatching the first quarter of any game the warriors play against a team with fast guards. (Portland, OKC, Houston, Charlotte, Washington... the list is pretty long)
Without fail the opposition gets inside and draws fouls at will (because GSW always foul on D since they dont have anyone who actually plays good defense except occasionally Durant, Klay and Iggy) Then Refs realise that GSW cant have their "All Stars" foul out. This leads to illegally contested shots when GSW is playing defense, which leads to teams taking more 3s, long rebounds and GSW killing teams in transition.
Every time the foul pendulum gets close enough that calls will go against GSW they give up a few meaningless cynical fouls and make sure they recieve the benefit of the whistle, since NBA refs always try to keep foul calls/free throws somewhat even.
Honestly GSW manipulating refereeing to their advantage at this level is somewhat impressive. Completely unwatchable and uninteresting, but impressive.
BadAss2961
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D.Rose in his day. That dude went ham in the paint and would often get snubbed for some reason.
Leaving out the best defender in NBA means we are sort of done here. I watch most warriors games....do you have any stats to back this up? Opponents routinely get significantly more free throws per game.
Because he is getting routinely fouled both on the ball and off. Also, Curry has had one of the highest FG% of all NBA players in the paint the past couple season.... (despite getting repeatedly fouled and not getting the calls).
Of course they do, they are the only ones attacking the paint. GSW mostly just take jumpshots off moving screens.
Draymond Green's only useful defensive skill is making referee's afraid for their physical safety if they call a foul on him. He litterally regularly kicks players in the balls. He did it twice last playoffs and only got suspended because the second time he did it to Lebron. He's Chuck Hayes but refs act like he's prime Hakeem
Edit: Here is the game log of all the Warriors games this season. Look at the PF column. Most of the time those numbers are essentially the same for both teams. http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/GSW/2017/gamelog/
Why this benefits GSW is that they rely on smart passing and 3pt shooting so calling less fouls per game usually benefits them.
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During 1st quarters GSW are ranked 20th in PFs conceded
During the 2nd and 3rd Quarters GSW are ranked 16th in PFs conceded
During the 4th quarter GSW are ranked 4th in PFs conceeded
Nothing unusual to see here folks
Bam Bam Baklava
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If Curry got the calls Lebron does he would average 40 a game.
Have you ever watched him play in your life? Curry routinely gets pummeled without calls.
Did you adjust all teams for points scored in the paint off transition opportunities? Because the phrase "jump shooting team" mainly refers to halfcourt offense.
Crimson_Echidna
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Hell, Curry is ranked 38th in Free Throw attempts, only averaging like 4-5 free throw shots a game. That's a far cry from how often players like Harden, Westbrook, and Derozan force their way to the line.
For layups sure, on players just holding the fuck outta him? Sure. on 3's? Nah.
darkwing-buck
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Haven't watched much rocket games this year, what are their weaknesses? Since it's a MDA team I assume they're a high powered offense with below average defense, is that far off?
Real talk that's way too in my personal space. I would've caught him slipping and hit with a uppercut from hell. Can't talk with no tongue. He is a great defender though.
Barnes is out. Do the Warriors have a chance?
Gully State
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Nope... Portland's guards are too fast. I'm not even sure why Kerr plays Draymond. He's the worst defender I've ever seen.
High power offense, slightly above average defemse
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