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[LionPride]

Seems like Teague to Minnesota is a done deal.

 

[Hyperactivity]

Teague to Minnesota all depends on the deal that get struck. He does, at the very least, provide more shooting. Rubio's contract had him for around $15 million. If they only get barely less than that, then they better have other free agent targets for whom the extra million or so matters for.

 

[Cooter]

ESPN is saying that he Spurs are meeting with Iguadala right at midnight in LA.

I guess if the Spurs are willing to pay Ight 20m per then good luck Ight. You will be missed for sure.

 

[Boogs31]

Teague to Minnesota all depends on the deal that get struck. He does, at the very least, provide more shooting. Rubio's contract had him for around $15 million. If they only get barely less than that, then they better have other free agent targets for whom the extra million or so matters for.

No way would I go after Teague over Lowry or Hill if I'm Minnesota. Teague is a weaker defender and shooter.

 

[LionPride]

Teague to Minnesota all depends on the deal that get struck. He does, at the very least, provide more shooting. Rubio's contract had him for around $15 million. If they only get barely less than that, then they better have other free agent targets for whom the extra million or so matters for.

He's worse as a player though

As a defender, as a passer, period

Shit I'd rather give Tyus the keys and see what happens. He can shoot well.

No way would I go after Teague over Lowry or Hill if I'm Minnesota. Teague is a weaker defender and shooter.

Hill or Holiday were the best PGs for us, they can shoot and defend and aren't bad. Would allow for us to get a bench too


Fuck I just realized I want Neon Dion on the Wolves

 

[Hyperactivity]

I guess if the Spurs are willing to pay Ight 20m per then good luck Ight. You will be missed for sure.

Reports seem to be saying Iggy isn't meeting with the Warriors because both sides have a really good feel for what the other is looking for, what the numbers would be, etc. Now Iggy just needs to feel out the numbers from the other teams.

 

[Hyperactivity]

https://twitter.com/Gambo987/status/880923218927796224

Former Sun PJ Tucker expected to generate a lot of interest in free agency - Hearing Sac, Minny, Philly, Toronto, NY, Houston all interested

Fuck yes this would be a great get. We need depth at the wing position, another player with that bulldog type mentality that left with Beverley, he can shoot the 3 decently well, is great defensively, etc.

No way would I go after Teague over Lowry or Hill if I'm Minnesota. Teague is a weaker defender and shooter.

MONEY. CAP SPACE. OTHER FREE AGENTS.

Iirc Hill is going for some pretty high numbers this off-season, given that he declined the extension offered to him by the Jazz

 

[Vault Dweller 111]

Jazz need shooting and floor spacing? I hear Kevin Love is on the trade market 🤔

Rubio
Hood
Hayward
Love
Gobert

Spoiler

Let me dream dammit!

 

[LionPride]

MONEY. CAP SPACE. OTHER FREE AGENTS.

Iirc Hill is going for some pretty high numbers this off-season, given that he declined the extension offered to him by the Jazz

He and Jrue would probably be around each other's salaries

Maybe

 

[Sandfox]

Jeff Teague is not good.

 

[Dragun619]

ESPN is saying that he Spurs are meeting with Iguadala right at midnight in LA.

I can't really see the Spurs dropping $15-20 mill for a sixth man.

 

[LionPride]

Jeff Teague is not good.

1 step forward

2 and a half steps back

 

[Boogs31]

MONEY. CAP SPACE. OTHER FREE AGENTS.

Iirc Hill is going for some pretty high numbers this off-season, given that he declined the extension offered to him by the Jazz

Doesn't Minnesota have a good chunk of change after dumping Rubio? I'm pretty sure they had 10+ million of space even prior to doing that. They should spend all their space on a really good point guard. Teague as your starting point guard just isn't good enough on either end of the floor to compete for titles.

 

[Kickz]

Jazz need shooting and floor spacing? I hear Kevin Love is on the trade market 🤔

Rubio
Hood
Hayward
Love
Gobert

Spoiler

Let me dream dammit!

Would be a reunion for Klove and Rick

 

[LionPride]

If we could somehow dump Dieng I'd fucking scream to the heavens

 

[juliushandle]

Iggy meeting with the Spurs tonight.

 

[Vault Dweller 111]

Would be a reunion for Klove and Rick

It's destiny. Basically guaranteed.

Makes no sense whatsoever for the Cavs who are trying to win a title. But let's ignore that.

Paul Millsap then!
LMA??? 🤔🤔🤔

 

[Hyperactivity]

Doesn't Minnesota have a good chunk of change after dumping Rubio? I'm pretty sure they had 10+ million of space even prior to doing that. They should spend all their space on a really good point guard. Teague as your starting point guard just isn't good enough on either end of the floor to compete for titles.

http://stats.nba.com/leaders#!?Seas...egular Season&PerMode=Totals&StatCategory=MIN

Wiggins and KAT were number 1 and 2 in the league for minutes played. Butler was number 7.

Rk                      Age  G GS   MP  3P 3PA  2P  2PA eFG%  FT FTA ORB DRB  TRB AST STL BLK TOV PTS/G
1        Andrew Wiggins  21 82 82 37.2 1.3 3.5 7.4 15.6 .484 5.0 6.6 1.2 2.8  4.0 2.3 1.0 0.4 2.3  23.6
2           Zach LaVine  21 47 47 37.2 2.6 6.6 4.4  8.5 .544 2.5 3.0 0.4 3.0  3.4 3.0 0.9 0.2 1.8  18.9
3    Karl-Anthony Towns  21 82 82 37.0 1.2 3.4 8.5 14.7 .576 4.3 5.2 3.6 8.7 12.3 2.7 0.7 1.3 2.6  25.1
4           Ricky Rubio  26 75 75 32.9 0.8 2.6 2.7  6.1 .448 3.4 3.8 0.9 3.2  4.1 9.1 1.7 0.1 2.6  11.1
5          Gorgui Dieng  27 82 82 32.4 0.2 0.5 3.9  7.5 .514 1.7 2.0 2.3 5.6  7.9 1.9 1.1 1.2 1.3  10.0
6          Brandon Rush  31 47 33 21.9 0.9 2.4 0.6  1.6 .492 0.3 0.4 0.3 1.8  2.1 1.0 0.5 0.5 0.6   4.2
7      Shabazz Muhammad  24 78  1 19.4 0.6 1.9 3.1  5.8 .523 1.9 2.4 1.1 1.7  2.8 0.4 0.3 0.1 0.7   9.9
8       Nemanja Bjelica  28 65  1 18.3 0.9 2.7 1.5  2.8 .503 0.7 0.9 0.9 2.9  3.8 1.2 0.6 0.3 0.9   6.2
9             Kris Dunn  22 78  7 17.1 0.3 0.9 1.2  3.1 .411 0.5 0.8 0.3 1.8  2.1 2.4 1.0 0.5 1.1   3.8
10          Omri Casspi  28 13  0 17.1 0.2 0.8 1.3  2.2 .526 0.4 0.6 0.5 1.1  1.5 0.8 1.0 0.2 0.8   3.5
11           Tyus Jones  20 60  0 12.9 0.4 1.2 0.8  1.8 .486 0.6 0.7 0.2 1.0  1.1 2.6 0.8 0.1 0.6   3.5
13         Cole Aldrich  28 62  0  8.6 0.0 0.0 0.7  1.4 .523 0.2 0.4 0.8 1.7  2.5 0.4 0.4 0.4 0.3   1.7

Provided by Basketball-Reference.com: View Original Table
Generated 6/30/2017.

Look at the minutes played by the Wolves' starters. And at their bench. The Timberwolves' were incredibly bad in the 3rd quarter and when it came to closing games.

It's not unreasonable to try and go for a decent point guard and use the extra money to fill out the rest of the roster

 

[LionPride]

Honestly I'm fine with any option which leads to me never seeing Shabazz Muhammed, Cole Aldrich, and Brandon Rush give up games in the third for us

 

[Kickz]

Doesn't Minnesota have a good chunk of change after dumping Rubio? I'm pretty sure they had 10+ million of space even prior to doing that. They should spend all their space on a really good point guard. Teague as your starting point guard just isn't good enough on either end of the floor to compete for titles.

Pretty sure they got 30 plus mill after clearing Rubios 14 mill

 

[Sandfox]

Thibs just likes to play his guys at high minutes until they break down.

 

[spyder_ur]

http://stats.nba.com/leaders#!?Seas...egular Season&PerMode=Totals&StatCategory=MIN

Wiggins and KAT were number 1 and 2 in the league for minutes played. Butler was number 7.

Rk                      Age  G GS   MP  3P 3PA  2P  2PA eFG%  FT FTA ORB DRB  TRB AST STL BLK TOV PTS/G
1        Andrew Wiggins  21 82 82 37.2 1.3 3.5 7.4 15.6 .484 5.0 6.6 1.2 2.8  4.0 2.3 1.0 0.4 2.3  23.6
2           Zach LaVine  21 47 47 37.2 2.6 6.6 4.4  8.5 .544 2.5 3.0 0.4 3.0  3.4 3.0 0.9 0.2 1.8  18.9
3    Karl-Anthony Towns  21 82 82 37.0 1.2 3.4 8.5 14.7 .576 4.3 5.2 3.6 8.7 12.3 2.7 0.7 1.3 2.6  25.1
4           Ricky Rubio  26 75 75 32.9 0.8 2.6 2.7  6.1 .448 3.4 3.8 0.9 3.2  4.1 9.1 1.7 0.1 2.6  11.1
5          Gorgui Dieng  27 82 82 32.4 0.2 0.5 3.9  7.5 .514 1.7 2.0 2.3 5.6  7.9 1.9 1.1 1.2 1.3  10.0
6          Brandon Rush  31 47 33 21.9 0.9 2.4 0.6  1.6 .492 0.3 0.4 0.3 1.8  2.1 1.0 0.5 0.5 0.6   4.2
7      Shabazz Muhammad  24 78  1 19.4 0.6 1.9 3.1  5.8 .523 1.9 2.4 1.1 1.7  2.8 0.4 0.3 0.1 0.7   9.9
8       Nemanja Bjelica  28 65  1 18.3 0.9 2.7 1.5  2.8 .503 0.7 0.9 0.9 2.9  3.8 1.2 0.6 0.3 0.9   6.2
9             Kris Dunn  22 78  7 17.1 0.3 0.9 1.2  3.1 .411 0.5 0.8 0.3 1.8  2.1 2.4 1.0 0.5 1.1   3.8
10          Omri Casspi  28 13  0 17.1 0.2 0.8 1.3  2.2 .526 0.4 0.6 0.5 1.1  1.5 0.8 1.0 0.2 0.8   3.5
11           Tyus Jones  20 60  0 12.9 0.4 1.2 0.8  1.8 .486 0.6 0.7 0.2 1.0  1.1 2.6 0.8 0.1 0.6   3.5
13         Cole Aldrich  28 62  0  8.6 0.0 0.0 0.7  1.4 .523 0.2 0.4 0.8 1.7  2.5 0.4 0.4 0.4 0.3   1.7

Provided by Basketball-Reference.com: View Original Table
Generated 6/30/2017.

Look at the minutes played by the Wolves' starters. And at their bench. The Timberwolves' were incredibly bad in the 3rd quarter and when it came to closing games.

It's not unreasonable to try and go for a decent point guard and use the extra money to fill out the rest of the roster

Man, that's basically criminal to the Wolves young guys.

Wolves simply couldn't go into the shooting with their 1-3 all being well below-average shooters. It couldn't work. I think Teague makes some sense there, but I'm also a bigger fan of Teague than most, I gather.

 

[LionPride]

Thibs just likes to play his guys at high minutes until they break down.

Last year it was warrented because again, the Timberwolves had 5 players who deserve to be in the NBA and it was our damn starting five

 

[Hyperactivity]

https://twitter.com/IanBegley/status/880948577861644288

Sources: NYK, Rockets touched base recently on a trade involving Carmelo but didn't gain much traction: http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0672601434637734910-4 …

https://twitter.com/WindhorstESPN/status/880949086458978305

Wizards offered John Wall supermax extension but he'll consider for awhile. Decision not based just on offseason

https://twitter.com/daldridgetnt/status/880949876741337089

Wall’s not unhappy; he wants to see how Wiz improve roster & if league revenues grow in new ways. He likes org/city & respects ownership..

Makes sense regarding Wall. It's consistent with what we heard before - he wants the Wizards FO to be smart and wants to see what they are going to do and plan to do for the future.

If I'm that FO, I think I try and see if Porter will take a cheaper deal, if not, I seriously consider what I can get for a sign-and-trade, perhaps banking on Oubre's development and using the sign-and-trade to get an actual bench together.

 

[Sandfox]

Last year it was warrented because again, the Timberwolves had 5 players who deserve to be in the NBA and it was our damn starting five

He did the same thing in Chicago though.

 

[Omegabalmung9]

Pretty sure they got 30 plus mill after clearing Rubios 14 mill

32 mil

 

[LionPride]

He did the same thing in Chicago though.

Ain't worried bout that, but factually, laat year ain't have much choice.

Also can I mention, wiggins has played for 3 coaches in 3 years and this will be his forst season with the same coach. I foresee growth. And he's finally playing the 2 so I'm excited

 

[Vault Dweller 111]

Orlando might offer Ingles $15 million.

FUCK

I love Joe but how can you rationally talk yourself in to matching that?

 

[ratcliffja]

Orlando might offer Ingles $15 million.

FUCK

I love Joe but how can you rationally talk yourself in to matching that?

Orlando is not a well run organization.

 

[LionPride]

Orlando is not a well run organization.

One can argue they are the worst run

I am one of those who argues that. It's like them, the Kings, then the Knicks because at least the Nets had a plan. A stupid plan, but a plan all the same.

 

[Hyperactivity]

He did the same thing in Chicago though.

Even with Chicago at one point having a bench mob, yeah.

Thibs has a problem, and it's a legit problem. At least Butler can handle the minutes and close games now.

I don't know how much longer the Rockets can have Ariza play so many minutes either.

Remember in 2014, when our plan was to get Bosh and then sign Parsons, and we ended up having Bosh do everything but sign the contract itself, and then Bosh and Parsons both got stolen and Ariza was the consolation prize?

Morey dodged so many fucking bullets there.

Orlando is not a well run organization.

They're under new management (btw, the Isaac pick from the GM who drafted for the Bucks these last few years fits perfectly)

 

[LionPride]

Even with Chicago at one point having a bench mob, yeah.

Thibs has a problem, and it's a legit problem. At least Butler can handle the minutes and close games now.

I don't know how much longer the Rockets can have Ariza play so many minutes either.

Remember in 2014, when our plan was to get Bosh and then sign Parsons, and we ended up having Bosh do everything but sign the contract itself, and then Bosh and Parsons both got stolen and Ariza was the consolation prize?

Morey dodged so many fucking bullets there.

Dodged blood clots and a man who the entire city of Memphis hates because he ain't play and when he did he was ass juice

Whew

 

[Hyperactivity]

Dodged blood clots and a man who the entire city of Memphis hates because he ain't play and when he did he was ass juice

Whew

I mean, if Bosh and Parsons stayed healthy, and Bosh had inked the deal, allowing Morey to then match Parsons' contract, then the 2015 Rockets would've been legit contenders. Bosh was great those post-LeBron Heat seasons when he was playing.

 

[Shamrock7r]

I can't really see the Spurs dropping $15-20 mill for a sixth man.

wasn't ginobili making around 15 mill this last year?

 

[LionPride]

I mean, if Bosh and Parsons stayed healthy, and Bosh had inked the deal, allowing Morey to then match Parsons' contract, then the 2015 Rockets would've been legit contenders. Bosh was great those post-LeBron Heat seasons when he was playing.

Definitely, I thought it was gone all work out, I was bout to be happy for Harden

Then...

 

[Hyperactivity]

Orlando might offer Ingles $15 million.

FUCK

I love Joe but how can you rationally talk yourself in to matching that?

https://twitter.com/TimBontemps/status/880952242852872192

Word on the street is that Utah Jazz forward Joe Ingles, a restricted free agent, could easily get around $15 million per in free agency.

https://twitter.com/TimBontemps/status/880953172482707456

Specifically, hearing Ingles could have an offer in the 4-year, $60 million range from the Orlando Magic. If so, hard to see Utah matching.

My god.

The Orlando Magic salaries btw - http://hoopshype.com/salaries/orlando_magic/

I mean, Biyombo is the only really bad contract there, but you can't just fill your team with justifiable contracts, you need steals. Orlando has a bunch of decent players and 0 star power. They already have a surprisingly small amount of cap space for a team in their position, they should just sit tight for this entire free agency barring some incredibly minor acquisitions...

 

[LionPride]

Aaron Gordon could be the third or fourth best player on a contender when he's 26

Payton could be a decent backup down the line

Super Mario could um...yeah Idk

 

[darkside31337]

Orlando might offer Ingles $15 million.

FUCK

I love Joe but how can you rationally talk yourself in to matching that?

They don't even have the cap room to offer him that much.

I fully expect their FA to be incredibly quiet.

 

[Boogs31]

It's not unreasonable to try and go for a decent point guard and use the extra money to fill out the rest of the roster

Curry
Westbrook
Kyrie
CP3
Wall
Walker
Dragic
Thomas
Lowry
Hill
Conley
Holiday
Lillard
Bledsoe

In no particular order I thought of 14 point guards that are better than Teague right now. And that doesn't even include the idea that Fultz and Ball might be better than him as rookies as well.

Teague isn't decent, he's a below average NBA point guard. And choosing to get a legitimately worse point guard to add to the bench is foolish. You can always find ways in the future to improve the bench. Once Wiggins signs his extension next year, getting a really good point guard will be impossible.

 

[Hyperactivity]

wasn't ginobili making around 15 mill this last year?

Yeah, after they got the rest of their business settled, and on top of that, it was only for a single year.

Ricky Rubio Second Half of Season Stats: 16 PPG, 1.6 STL, 10.5 AST, 4.7 TRB, shooting 42.6% from the field and 35.4% from the three

Whether or not that was just an aberration or not is to be seen, but if it ends up being that it wasn't, my god will this look like a terrible mistake, especially with how good Wiggins and KAT were looking with Rubio dishing to them.

https://twitter.com/daldridgetnt/status/880956597387882497

Grizzlies veteran F Zach Randolph set to meet with teams tonight in Los Angeles. Interest coming from Kings, Thunder, Clippers.

https://twitter.com/ramonashelburne/status/880950965871951872

Add another suitor for Andre Iguodala. Sources tell @ChrisBHaynes and I he's meeting with the Sacramento Kings tonight as well

I immediatley first thought that the Kings are just leverage for every free agent and that the Kings aren't denying any rumors, and then thought Iggy getting paid while helping develop the Kings' youngsters would be perfect, and it seems sorta hypocritical.

Idk what to expect with the Kings, they've come up for almost FA I've seen

 

[Vault Dweller 111]

They don't even have the cap room to offer him that much.

I fully expect their FA to be incredibly quiet.

Yes they can.

 

[panthapanda]

I'm pretty interested in what Millsap is going to do. I see no real reason for him to do the Hawks a favor and try a sign and trade. I don't see him staying here either since we're a fringe playoff team with him and have 0 cap space.

Thanks Dwight. Thanks Bazemore!

Spoiler

not their faults. New ownership was an idiot

 

[LionPride]

If ZBO goes to the Clippers...I might be a tad bit salty whereas if he went to the Warriors, hey he gets a ring probably!

 

[darkside31337]

Yes they can.

Without making any other moves it takes up basically the entire cap. This team sucks, they aren't going to break the bank to move the needle from 30 wins to 35 wins. Its a rebuilding year, everyone knows it.

Signing Ingles for 4 / 60 makes no fucking sense unless Gordon Hayward is also walking through that door.

 

[Hyperactivity]

Curry
Westbrook
Kyrie
CP3
Wall
Walker
Dragic
Thomas
Lowry
Hill
Conley
Holiday
Lillard
Bledsoe

In no particular order I thought of 14 point guards that are better than Teague right now. And that doesn't even include the idea that Fultz and Ball might be better than him as rookies as well.

Teague isn't decent, he's a below average NBA point guard. And choosing to get a legitimately worse point guard to add to the bench is foolish. You can always find ways in the future to improve the bench. Once Wiggins signs his extension next year, getting a really good point guard will be impossible.

Lowry, Holiday, and Hill are the only ones available. Lowry and Holiday are going to sign with their incumbent teams for a lot of money if the incumbent teams are willing to do it (for the Pelicans, it's basically all-in at this point). Hill is a toss-up, but was injured for a LOT of last season, and if they want to spend more money on a power forward or bench, it can work out.

I'm gonna have to wait for more news and moves before I freak out about a Teague signing

 

[Vault Dweller 111]

Without making any other moves it takes up basically the entire cap. This team sucks, they aren't going to break the bank to move the needle from 30 wins to 35 wins. Its a rebuilding year, everyone knows it.

Signing Ingles for 4 / 60 makes no fucking sense unless Gordon Hayward is also walking through that door.

They won 51 games last year with more injuries than any team in the league...

Hayward doesn't have to walk through the door, just not leave.

You seem to have extremely limited knowledge on the Utah Jazz.

 

[Hyperactivity]

https://twitter.com/fishsports/status/880926527218741248

Just spoke to #Mavs brass. DAL has $15M of shopping room & has no delusions abt big-fish FAs like #Raptors Kyle Lowry.

https://twitter.com/fishsports/status/880951532723863554

BREAKING: #Mavs plan admitted 'long-shot' FA reach-out to #Raptors Serge Ibaka, http://DallasBasketball.com has learned. #NBAFreeAgency

https://twitter.com/DWolfsonKSTP/status/880943658765344768

Hear less than 60, closer to 55 over the 3.

On Teague contract - not bad, but it's again, another wait and see situation for me.

https://twitter.com/MarcJSpearsESPN/status/880957515323785220

Perhaps a good sign for Pels re-signing DeMarcus Cousins is he has been recruiting free agents for them, source... http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0672610371470627916-4 ...

https://twitter.com/JSports_ent/status/880957231851810816

C. Lee about possibly being traded his response "it's rumors right now but nobody is safe". #Knicks

https://twitter.com/espn_macmahon/status/880953678060040192

Two things perhaps worth noting: 1) Joe Ingles was Gordon Hayward's best friend on Jazz; 2) They are represented by the same agent.

https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/880958595784900608

Toronto brass meeting with free-agent swingman PJ Tucker in Philadelphia at some point after midnight, league sources tell ESPN.

They won 51 games last year with more injuries than any team in the league...

Hayward doesn't have to walk through the door, just not leave.

You seem to have extremely limited knowledge on the Utah Jazz.

He's talking about the Magic...

 

[Dragun619]

wasn't ginobili making around 15 mill this last year?

Yeah, I think it's 14 mil for 1 year and it was through bird rights, but I mean, that's Ginobili. Dude sacrificed for us through out the years.

Where as straight up paying $15-20 mill for iggy as a sixth man, I dunno. We already have some fans mad upset with LMA & his contract so meh.

 

[CassidyIzABeast]

Blake re-signed with the Clips for 5 years/173M

 

[Hyperactivity]

https://twitter.com/sam_amick/status/880959701562703872?s=09

Blake Griffin has canceled meetings w/ Phoenix & Denver, I'm told. Barring wildcard team swooping in, sense is a return to Clippers coming.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/880960762000396292

Blake Griffin plans to reach agreement on a five-year, $173 million deal with the Los Angeles Clippers, league sources tell The Vertical.

https://twitter.com/BA_Turner/status/880960638515687424

Blake Griffin met with Steve Ballmer, Doc Rivers, Jerry West today at Staples Center, "meeting went well. Expected to sign a deal."

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/880960938555432960

Griffin finished meeting with the Clippers and sides finalized a five-year, maximum contract, league sources tell The Vertical.