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NBA Offseason Thread! All offseason NBA talk in THIS thread!

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effzee said:
whats the latest on finley? is he on the trade block?

he might be, but i doubt anyone would want him. He's getting up there in age, and is due like $17 million a year for the next 3 or 4 seasons. He's good, but not nearly that good.
 

DMczaf

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Blackace

if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
Ninja Scooter said:
he might be, but i doubt anyone would want him. He's getting up there in age, and is due like $17 million a year for the next 3 or 4 seasons. He's good, but not nearly that good.

I want him... trade R.Lewis for him!!!
 

Miguel

Member
T-Mac Grace - (I hate) Everything about Hill

Everytime that I go play
After every shot I make
Every feeling that I get
But I haven't missed you yet

Every shot that I could take
And until the All-Star break
You keep saying you'll be back
That your rehab's right on track
Only when I stop to think about it

I hate everything about you
Why couldn't we trade you?
I hate everything about you
Why couldn't we trade you?

I asked Orlando for a trade
To Houston I'll give an OK
Every offer that they get
But I haven't missed you yet
Only when I stop to think about it

I hate everything about you
Why couldn't we trade you?
I hate everything about you
Why couldn't we trade you?

Only when I stop to think about you
I know
Only when you stop to think about me
Do you know

I hate everything about you
Why couldn't we trade you?
You hate everything about me
Why couldn't we trade you?

I hate
You hate
I hate
You love me

I hate everything about you
Why couldn't we trade you?
 

DMczaf

Member
Houston Chronicle: Apparently the Magic aren't in a rush to ship their star Tracy McGrady out to the Rockets. They were speaking with Steve Francis and he returned to Houston last night, but the talks did look positive to Magic GM John Weisbrod.

"I don't look at it as a final hurdle but a good first step," Weisbrod said. "I promised Steve's agent when we got through with the draft that we'd talk again. I had a conversation and I felt like we connected. While it was over the phone, I felt it was a good productive conversation.

"Last night was a good first step, and I look forward to following up on it.

"But it doesn't put us any closer to anything being final."

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Is it me or is the Magic's GM the slowest mother fucker ever?! JUST MAKE THE DAMN TRADE!
 

Miguel

Member
DMczaf said:
Houston Chronicle: Apparently the Magic aren't in a rush to ship their star Tracy McGrady out to the Rockets. They were speaking with Steve Francis and he returned to Houston last night, but the talks did look positive to Magic GM John Weisbrod.

"I don't look at it as a final hurdle but a good first step," Weisbrod said. "I promised Steve's agent when we got through with the draft that we'd talk again. I had a conversation and I felt like we connected. While it was over the phone, I felt it was a good productive conversation.

"Last night was a good first step, and I look forward to following up on it.

"But it doesn't put us any closer to anything being final."

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Is it me or is the Magic's GM the slowest mother fucker ever?! JUST MAKE THE DAMN TRADE!


He's trying to force more out of Houston. THey should call his Bluff and go after Ray Allen.
 

Matrix

LeBron loves his girlfriend. There is no other woman in the world he’d rather have. The problem is, Dwyane’s not a woman.
Dont worry Dm,this deal will be done by next week....trust me.
 

Matrix

LeBron loves his girlfriend. There is no other woman in the world he’d rather have. The problem is, Dwyane’s not a woman.
LOL

Tmac is coming and its soon,this GM is getting his 15 minutes of fame.
 

Shinobi

Member
DMczaf said:
ORLANDO, Fla. -- Dwight Howard believes he's what Tracy McGrady needs to be successful in Orlando.

McGrady has told the Magic he wants a trade to a contender, preferably one with a quality big man. But Howard, the prep sensation selected first in the NBA draft, wants the disgruntled superstar to know that help is on the way.

"Tracy, I hope that you stay and play with me a couple of years," Howard said Thursday night from New York. "I think we'll be a really good combo."

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T-Mac - "And then the kid said he thought he was what I needed in Orlando..."

VC - "Haha! You didnt even want me!....HEY!"

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Bowser said:
Okafor in action with a dunk!

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MS Paint rules!

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WTF is up with all the Raptors hate?!?

LOSERS

America's ear drums: Dick Vitale analyzing the NBA draft? Why not bring in The Galloping Gourmet to analyze the war in Iraq? Vitale is a relentless self-promoter who is ignorant of the NBA game and should've gone to bed before the first round instead of the second. Vitale added nothing to the analysis by screaming about his own travel schedule, who's going to be No. 1 in college basketball next year and Jameer Nelson being overlooked. While Vitale was foaming at the mouth about Nelson, his ESPN colleague David Aldridge, who does know something about pro hoops, pointed out that Nelson would probably be traded from point guard-loaded Denver. Which is exactly what happened a few minutes later.

Thank you. Fuck Vitale.

Here's a little more on the Fakers/Queens discussions...

Ailene Voisin: Shaq in Sac? Price looks high

A Kings executive says trading for the Lakers' center would 'gut our team.'

By Ailene Voisin -- Bee Columnist
Published 2:15 am PDT Saturday, June 26, 2004



When it comes right down to it, the Kings are no different than 29 other NBA franchises. They blame Shaq for everything. They have wearied of pursuing free agents, swapping players, formulating mostly futile game plans with the massive Lakers center forever in their minds and their midst. They wish the Big Slug would give it all a rest - the dunks, the wisecracks, the rings - and give someone else a chance.

Now about that phone call ...

Shaq talks, everyone listens.

Of course there have been conversations between Kings and Lakers officials. Every general manager with a pulse and a paycheck has chatted with Lakers general manager Mitch Kupchak. And according to one high-ranking Kings executive, one thing that favorably distinguishes the Kings from most franchises is that they have enough quality players to warrant further discussions.

"But the problem is that the Lakers want too much right now," said the Kings source. "We can't gut our team. That wouldn't make any sense. Maybe two, three years ago, when Shaq was a little younger you would have to think about it, but not now."

Indeed, any Shaq-to-Sac scenario is unlikely for several reasons: (a) the Lakers would want Brad Miller, Peja Stojakovic and Doug Christie, essentially depleting the roster; (b) the Maloofs would have to extend O'Neal's contract beyond 2005-06, committing another two years and $60 million to an injury- prone player who will be 34 when his current deal expires; (c) O'Neal, who repeatedly complained about Kobe Bryant's sticky fingers, would be equally disdainful of an offense dominated by Chris Webber, whose trade value is proving to be minimal; and (d) any new Lakers coach will plead for the chance to play peacemaker between Shaq and Kobe, the league's most electrifying superstar who enters the free-agent market July 1.

Some league executives, including Kings president Geoff Petrie, even remain skeptical about the perceived inevitability of a Shaq-Kobe breakup.

"It doesn't make sense," said Petrie, who confirmed Friday that he has spoken with Kupchak, "that with what the Lakers have been able to accomplish with those two guys, that they show him (Shaq) the door before they even know they're keeping Kobe.

"That's not anything I've been told, just what I think. And any time you have a player of Shaq's caliber come up, it always fuels a lot of speculation. But until they decide they're going to do something, nobody can touch him."

Nonetheless, for anyone who has spent significant time in the company of either superstar, another season of Shaq and Kobe seems equally improbable. Familial intervention has long been exhausted. Phil Jackson (Shaq's guy) has been dispatched to accommodate Kobe and save owner Jerry Buss a whopping $12 million in annual coaching salary.

Derek Fisher, Rick Fox and Karl Malone, strong-willed veterans who separated Shaq and Kobe during their verbal sparring rounds, are unlikely to return. Kobe, the No. 1 priority and Buss' personal favorite, wants to play in an up- tempo offense, which would seem to exclude Shaq's lumbering presence.

And as upset as O'Neal was about his lack of field-goal opportunities, he remains even more perturbed about other numbers, primarily the absence of additional zeroes on his contract after his option for 2005-06.

So the talk continues. On the airwaves, at the water cooler, in NBA offices. Shaq is going somewhere, maybe Dallas, Indiana, Miami. Maybe even Sacramento. Shaq recently revealed a horribly kept secret to a reporter from the Las Vegas Sun, namely that he likes the Maloofs and would like to play for the Kings.

It's true. He does. He would. In spite of his digs about kings and queens, and contrary to his image as a Bel-Air kind of guy (and he lives across the street and down a few houses from Adrienne Maloof), Shaq has always preferred smaller cities and considers Orlando his primary residence.

In casual conversations, he has often compared Sacramento favorably with Orlando, spoken fondly of his visits here and budding friendships with his favorite law enforcement types, foremost among them Sheriff Lou Blanas.

But the real reason you most likely will not see Shaq playing in Sac?

The Diesel is breaking down. Too much upper body weight has placed too much pressure on assorted lower body parts. The price tag figures to be more than the Kings are willing to pay, no matter how absolutely tantalizing the prospect. Besides, as Memphis president Jerry West noted Thursday night on ESPN, why would anyone trade Shaq to an opponent within the same conference?

No, this will not happen.

But, yes, this will be fun.

http://www.sacbee.com/content/sports/basketball/kings/story/9789586p-10712182c.html

Funny, even in a potentially expensive deal for Shaq (both financially and player wise), the interest in C-Webb seems to be minimal.
 

Shinobi

Member
Well shoot, that didn't take long...

Okafor, Bobcats already at odds

No. 2 pick in draft says he'll play in Olympics, despite new team's wishes.


From Star news services
June 26, 2004

Emeka Okafor said Friday he will play for the U.S. Olympic basketball team, a decision the Charlotte Bobcats aren't exactly thrilled with. Okafor was a finalist for the final roster spot, but he and his agent said he has accepted an invitation to play in Athens later this summer. The Bobcats said paperwork issues have held up the official announcement, which is expected next week. Okafor was selected for the team over Brad Miller and Theo Ratliff. "It's a great honor, especially since it kind of came out of nowhere," Okafor said. "It's almost like a chance of a lifetime, to be an Olympian at 21." Charlotte, which traded up to the No. 2 overall pick in the NBA draft to select Okafor, doesn't share the joy. "We are somewhat concerned because all that basketball causes a lot of wear and tear and prevents you from being fresh at the start of the season," Charlotte coach and general manager Bernie Bickerstaff said. "We have many concerns that we want to address." The Bobcats want Okafor to work out with them and play in summer leagues, something commitments with the U.S. team could prevent. The other issue is health, especially since so many players from the 2000 U.S. Olympic team were injured during the NBA season after playing in the Sydney Games. Jason Kidd, Antonio McDyess and Vince Carter were among the Olympians to get hurt later that year.

http://www.indystar.com/articles/0/158017-4240-179.html

Gotta wonder if that was one of the reasons Orlando said "fuck him"...
 

Shinobi

Member
And here's a piece by Dan Lebetard that DMczaf will use to wallpaper his bedroom...Jordan's trip to China. Here's a small excerpt from it.

It was meant to be very hush-hush, this trip to the Great Wall. How could anyone possibly guess which part of the wall Jordan would be visiting, seeing as how it stretches 4,500 miles (or as far as it is from Miami to the North Pole)? The area Jordan visited was indeed desolate, save for a few merchants, right up until his police escort approached. Then fans started to pour in from all points, wearing jerseys, holding signs, singing his name. There were so many of them that Jordan sat in his surrounded van and discussed canceling this outing, too. The buzz outside was not unlike the one you hear around power plants. Asked how he knew to be there, one fan claimed Jesus Christ told him.

Jordan had already driven past Tiananmen Square without being allowed to stop, so now he dropped into the clamor and, surrounded by security, made the 15-minute climb up hundreds of very steep steps, stopping once to catch his breath. Fans gave him gifts and fell to their knees before him, some trembling, some sobbing. A group chanted in sing- song, accented English, "Michael, we love you forever." At one point, everyone had their backs to the slender little wall, gazing instead upon another wonder of our world. Most of China is atheist, but they clearly love their gods. Flying Man, they call Jordan, and when Flying Man finally arrived at the top of the mountain, he was greeted by a wind stiff and true. He stood there, gazing out over this ancient land, and it was a pretty breathtaking snapshot for all the cameras clicking around him. There they were together, for posterity, two of the most enduring symbols of communism and capitalism. "Wow," Jordan said. And then he said it again.

"Wow."

He'd found a new world to conquer.

http://insider.espn.go.com/insider/magazine/story?id=1826127

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Matrix

LeBron loves his girlfriend. There is no other woman in the world he’d rather have. The problem is, Dwyane’s not a woman.
"On ESPN radio apprantly Francis has vowed to make the Rockets pay!Supposedly he will work a lot harder to become twice the player he is now"

Roofles...why didnt you work that hard for the Rockets you dipshit.

Even if the Tmac trade some how falls apart I really hope some other team takes him.
 

Matrix

LeBron loves his girlfriend. There is no other woman in the world he’d rather have. The problem is, Dwyane’s not a woman.
"I asked him [Van Gundy] about all the trade rumors and he said it was just speculation. He lied right to my face.I've lost all respect for him as a coach. We had a pretty good relationship last season. I mean, I listened to everything he said. I think I'm a pretty coachable kid. But, to tell me nothing is going on when I see my picture everywhere..."

No way is Steve back and Steve lied to Van Gundy last year with the whole superbowl thing....LIAR LIAR STEVE YOUR PANTS ARE ON FIRE!

Take it like a man,you got traded bitch and it feels like this"
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DMczaf

Member
Miguel said:
T-Mac Grace - (I hate) Everything about Hill

Everytime that I go play
After every shot I make
Every feeling that I get
But I haven't missed you yet

Every shot that I could take
And until the All-Star break
You keep saying you'll be back
That your rehab's right on track
Only when I stop to think about it

I hate everything about you
Why couldn't we trade you?
I hate everything about you
Why couldn't we trade you?

I asked Orlando for a trade
To Houston I'll give an OK
Every offer that they get
But I haven't missed you yet
Only when I stop to think about it

I hate everything about you
Why couldn't we trade you?
I hate everything about you
Why couldn't we trade you?

Only when I stop to think about you
I know
Only when you stop to think about me
Do you know

I hate everything about you
Why couldn't we trade you?
You hate everything about me
Why couldn't we trade you?

I hate
You hate
I hate
You love me

I hate everything about you
Why couldn't we trade you?

LOL!
 

Matrix

LeBron loves his girlfriend. There is no other woman in the world he’d rather have. The problem is, Dwyane’s not a woman.
"Wow you guys still know I'm alive!Here's some juciy info for you so I can get 15 minutes of fame before my ankle blows out forever"
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Two seperate posters from clutch cuty forums heard this...

"Did anyone catch Channel 2's interview with Grant Hill? I was able to catch the end, and Hill said: "Tracy wants to go to Houston, which is good for the fans of Houston."

"On "Extra Points" they showed a snippet of a Grant Hill interview and he said he knew the deal is happening cause, as he quoted "a little birdie told me." He then went on about how TMac will fit well here and that sometimes players need change."
 

Matrix

LeBron loves his girlfriend. There is no other woman in the world he’d rather have. The problem is, Dwyane’s not a woman.

DMczaf

Member
Rudy is going to DIE in LA

Phil Jackson in 1998

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Phil Jackson in 2004

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If we go by, Phil...this will be Rudy

Rudy Tomjanovich in 2002

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Rudy Tomjanovich after he leaves the Lakers

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DMczaf

Member
Report: Shaq says he won't
change mind about trade
No ‘ifs,’ star says he's not coming back to Lakers
Shaquille O'Neal is believed to want a two-year contract extension at $30 million a year.
NBCSports.com news services
Updated: 5:49 p.m. ET June 26, 2004

The Los Angeles Lakers may hope Shaquille O’Neal reverses his trade demands, but the center says he’s not about to.

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O'Neal told the Riverside (Calif.) Press-Enterprise he could not envision any situation in which he would return to the Lakers.

''Unfortunately, it has come to this,'' O’Neal told the Riverside (Calif.) Press-Enterprise this week. ''But I want the fans to know that it's not me.''

O'Neal blames Lakers management for creating the problem. Lakers management is expected to grant O'Neal's wish, although it may not happen until around July 15. Dallas, Phoenix, Sacramento and Indiana are considered potential destinations.

Lakers general manager Mitch Kupchak confirmed he is getting several calls over O’Neal’s availability. But Kupchak also said he is hoping O’Neal changes his mind and remains in Los Angeles.

O'Neal, who said the Lakers were getting ''fat'' as an organization and didn't want to win, was asked what he would do if the Lakers didn't trade him and he was forced to return.

''There ain't no ifs,'' O’Neal told the Press-Enterprise. ''I want to play for a team that's willing to win.''

O'Neal wasn't happy that Lakers coach Phil Jackson was let go by the organization and that Lakers owner Jerry Buss and Kupchak appeared to side with Kobe Bryant over O'Neal.

O'Neal will earn $27.7 million next season and $30 million the year after that.

However, O'Neal told the newspaper his unhappiness was not related to his contract situation.

''They said it's about the money. It's not about the money,'' O’Neal told the Press-Enterprise. ''It's about honesty, and the honesty me and [former general manager] Jerry West had. That's been gone for four years now ... It ain't about the extension. Of course, that's what they are going to make it out to be.''

''I'm not going to answer that,'' O'Neal told the newspaper. ''I don't know ... They say I'm getting older. Of course, I am. But can't nobody [mess] with me. I'm like toilet paper, Pampers and toothpaste. I'm definitely proven to be effective.''

lol

The Press-Enterprise is the newspaper from my home town, Moreno Valley (city in Riverside county)
 
I'm like toilet paper, Pamper

cause he's full of shit.

fuck what a lying bitch this guy is. HE's "all about the fans"? Then why is he trying to cripple our team with his horrible contract demands? Why is he trying to sabotage any potential deals by saying "I won't go to Dallas unless Dirk is there..." "I won't go to Orlando unless Tmac is there..." or maybe he's a pussy and he knows he can't win without another great star by his side.

edit: Holy shit you live in Moreno Valley DM? I have family (grandmother, uncles) that live in Perris. Visit them all the time. We could have run into eachother and never known it.
 

Matrix

LeBron loves his girlfriend. There is no other woman in the world he’d rather have. The problem is, Dwyane’s not a woman.
Breaking News on the ap:

Ninja Scooter aka The artist formally known as Pistonhonda sends a hitman after Shaq.Crictics are quick to blame Larry David and violent video games.
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More on this story as we get further developments
 

Matrix

LeBron loves his girlfriend. There is no other woman in the world he’d rather have. The problem is, Dwyane’s not a woman.
WTF $49!? Someone's @ss is out the door ;)
 

Matrix

LeBron loves his girlfriend. There is no other woman in the world he’d rather have. The problem is, Dwyane’s not a woman.
Hill says trade is on verge

BY JOHN DENTON
FLORIDA TODAY

ORLANDO -- Grant Hill thinks that the much-debated trade involving All-Star guards Tracy McGrady and Steve Francis and others is finally going to happen.

Hill, in Houston on Saturday displaying his extensive African-American art collection at Texas Southern University, told Houston TV station KTRK that he's been informed by Orlando Magic management that the deal should become official any day now.

The trade, first leaked last week by agent Jeff Fried, will have the Magic sending McGrady, Juwan Howard, Tyronn Lue and Reece Gaines to Houston for Francis, shooting guard Cuttino Mobley and center Kelvin Cato. Francis had a 20-minute phone conversation with Magic general manager John Weisbrod on Thursday night and is expected to visit Orlando this week.

"A little birdie told me it's going to happen . . . I think," Hill said with a laugh. "I think it's going to happen. . . . That's part of the business of professional sports and he's going to go on and do well here in Houston with coach (Jeff) Van Gundy and Yao Ming, and hopefully we're going to go on and do well with the guys we have. Life is about change and sometimes change is necessary, but sometimes change can be good. But I think for the Rockets and the Magic it can be good for both."

Hill admitted that he was sad that he's not going to get the chance to play alongside of McGrady for a full season. Hill signed an identical seven-year, $93 million contract as McGrady did in the summer of 2000. However, he's played just 47 games the past four seasons because of a troublesome fracture in his left ankle.

"On one hand, I'm excited about the possibility of playing with Francis, Mobley and Cato," said Hill, who didn't play at all this past season and is hoping to finally return healthy next season. "I think they can really help our ball club. With myself coming back and being healthy, the first pick and with some changes we can really turn this thing around fast and be a playoff-caliber team.

"On the flip side, I was there for four years and never had the opportunity to be healthy and really play a whole year with Tracy. So we will always wonder what could have been."


:D
 

Matrix

LeBron loves his girlfriend. There is no other woman in the world he’d rather have. The problem is, Dwyane’s not a woman.
BHWHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA WTF
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Matrix

LeBron loves his girlfriend. There is no other woman in the world he’d rather have. The problem is, Dwyane’s not a woman.
DM- expect this trade done before Wed if Lue is included.He can opt out that day and would become a free-agent and you cant trade free agents.His agent said he plans to opt out,so if he's included it will have to be done before then.
 

Meier

Member
I wanna know why the Magic are giving up 4 players when one of them being traded is better than all the 3 they're receiving combined. Craziness.
 

Archaix

Drunky McMurder
Meier said:
I wanna know why the Magic are giving up 4 players when one of them being traded is better than all the 3 they're receiving combined. Craziness.


They have to make the trade fit the salary requirements, and they have no choice but to trade McGrady.

Everybody in the league knows that they are trading him this summer, they have no leverage whatsoever. They can't demand even near equal value in the trade, really.

Pretty much the same reason the Lakers keep saying "Not unless you give us Nowitski!" and Cuban keeps responding with "Yeah, how about instead I give you Antione Walker, Michael Finley, and I'll be nice and toss in this big goofy looking Russian dude we drafted, and then you thank me for it"
 

Matrix

LeBron loves his girlfriend. There is no other woman in the world he’d rather have. The problem is, Dwyane’s not a woman.
Guzim said:
Isn't it sad that Tyronne Lue will be the only person on the Rockets with a ring?

It is pretty sad,but they dont even play in their old arena :( Atleast they will always have the banners and GM from the championship years.
 

Matrix

LeBron loves his girlfriend. There is no other woman in the world he’d rather have. The problem is, Dwyane’s not a woman.
From todays Houston Chronicle...

NBA NOTEBOOK

Weisbrod taints reputation
Future partners to be wary in deals with Magic GM

By JONATHAN FEIGEN
Copyright 2004 Houston Chronicle

Nearly a week since the Tracy McGrady-Steve Francis exchange was close enough to a done deal to tell Francis — albeit late, for his tastes — Orlando Magic general manager John Weisbrod has taken to pretending the trade is just an idea he is mulling around.

You don't often get this much double talk for no extra charge.

But as much as Weisbrod insists this is just one option — while chatting on the phone to a player under contract to another team and even repeatedly saying a decision will be made before the draft — the rest of the NBA believes agreements were reached.

General managers know deals are not done until the ink dries, so this one is not done.

But this is Weisbrod's introduction to the NBA. His only previous GM experience was in hockey's minor leagues. And while his Harvard MBA and ability to direct a wrist shot to the five hole are impressive, this trade will determine his reputation.

Weisbrod has let this go on for reasons that might become clear this week. Maybe he wanted the draft — in which Orlando had the top pick and used it on Dwight Howard — to have its own spotlight. He might be trolling for better offers. He probably is trying only to serve his franchise, though he might be, as many have suggested, enjoying holding all the cards.

But many around the league have already said that the first time they deal with Weisbrod, they will watch their backs. Trust but verify. Believe it when you see it.

If the Magic prosper or if Weisbrod pulls off a deal even better than this one, that will be his reputation. But for now, he is the guy who left the Rockets and seven players twisting in the wind.

Many have promised to be wary before they are next.


F-ing A! Damn right Feigen!
 

DMczaf

Member
See, I knew I wasnt the only one pissed off at Weisbrod.

Any other GM would have had this deal done by now, but nooooo Weisbrod is over here lying his ass off saying "Oh its just an option!"

Fuck him, its like he wants his 15 mins of fame.
 
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