A more patient Nazi Germany would have been much scarier. Taking territory and fighting a war interfered with the development of nukes, long range bombers, and rockets. A fresh 1945 Germany would have nuclear missiles and bombers and no one to stop them.
NBC News: U.S. May Launch Strike If North Korea Reaches For Nuclear Trigger
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A more patient Nazi Germany would have been much scarier. Taking territory and fighting a war interfered with the development of nukes, long range bombers, and rockets. A fresh 1945 Germany would have nuclear missiles and bombers and no one to stop them.
AnathemicOne
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Haha assumptions? Perhaps attacking Japan, depends on how swift an invasion force can dismantle NK. But a flattened Seoul is 100% guarunteed. Hint: Nukes aren't even required.
Wet Bloodfart
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How can anyone be rationalizing this?
jakonovski
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You should maybe look at the map and in particular Seoul's position in relation to the NK border. Then you should look up the range of artillery weapons.
As in the past, NK does some saber rattling. The US wags its finger and offers a carrot in the form of aid. NK feels like they've won and things quiet down again. Rinse and repeat through the decades.
Unfortunately, this time we have a madman in the white house that operates under the art of the deal so he doesn't know shit and his cabinet doesn't know shit. And his small dick needs to attack to prove his worth. This is where we at right now, and it is scary. We have a dunce who can barely pay attention to East Asian affiars for ten minutes.
There are millions of active duty North Koreans alongside large amounts of mobile artillery units; US attacks, Seoul is going to be on fire. Hence why they won't do it.
Coriolanus
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That theyll behave in exactly the same way that theyve always behaved in modern history, since the consequences of significant acts of aggression on their part will remain the same. Quite a few decades of precedent on that.
if you wanna justify a strike on NK, it is up to you to come up with evidence that theyve ceased to be a rational actor.
Lol ok so now you're just choosing to be wrong. Nothing is guaranteed, what do you really know about the situation, there's a lot of hidden information.
AnathemicOne
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... what? Dude look at a map of Korea. And then look up the distance of NKs artillery capability. Not every country is as massive as the US.
MadJackChurchill
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You really don't understand the level of crap the NK army have at the ready. Unless the US, SK and Japan can coordinate synchronised sorties to bomb the entire 38th parallel WITHOUT Kim being notified, artillery will fly.
m_shortpants
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Stay safe Korea GAF...Scary times. Even if it's just saber rattling it must be extremely unsettling.
Bubba_Sparks
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Well people who actually have a say in these matters have done so before and seem to be doing so now. So, I don't know what to say really. Even if they don't act, it doesn't mean those people don't exist.
NK have had the ability to strike Seoul for a long time. Not to mention any attack would have resulted in China coming to NK's defense.
Does NK have the ability to hit Seoul with nukes now? I'm guessing they do.
NYCmetsfan
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I mean comparing this to Nazi germany is kind of silly.
Not attacking the rival contury while it expanded its borders was the strategy taken with the USSR. We survived that. MAD exists. NK doesn't want war, the US, ROK and Japan don't want war. Even a NK armed with ICBMs while very scary doesn't change that dynamic. They'd still lose any war.
Nukes are always defensive weapons advent of ICMBs in the 50/60s. No reason for a preemptive first strike.
BocoDragon
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What am I reading right now? You think no one can stop NK and we need preemptive action? Insanity.
FireAndBlood
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Everyone is overreacting with World War III and the US getting nuked.
Read this Vice article for how a realistic scenario would play out.
Read this Vice article for how a realistic scenario would play out.
Saucycarpdog
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I thought I heard this "big event" was a new street or something.
Are they really doing a nuclear test this weekend?
Are they really doing a nuclear test this weekend?
NYCmetsfan
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I believe its thought they have miniaturized their nukes enough to fit on missiles but i'm not sure if its confirmed.
eyeball_kid
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I think NK would be happy to sell nuclear material or nuclear bombs if it provides them with a rich income source. International sanctions have left the regime with few other options to fill their coffers.
Yes, and most of those gains in missile tech have come from access to missile parts (often western in origin) sourced from Chinese companies, as outlined by a Washington Post article today.
Obama could've leaned hard on China to do something about this, but I guess he felt it was politically better for him to kick the can down the road.
AnathemicOne
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You really are uneducated in not only history but military capabilites as well huh? Listen, this isn't some Call of Duty fantasy bullshit in your video games. You're advocating risking the collapse of two top economies of the world because NK gets new tech.
BocoDragon
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Old article but it has the point
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/the-emperors-new-missile-defense/
I guess that's ICBMs. Maybe NK's short range missiles are a different story.
I don't think they can stop the 1500 or so artillery units that would pummel Seoul; not to mention possible invasion force.
That's one of the major issues; NK doesn't need to launch missiles to fuck up Seoul.
Now "flattened" which is often used is likely hyperbole; but there would be massive amount of death.
Netherscourge
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This won't end well.
Between Yemen, Syria, Iran, Russia and North Korea, it's as if Trump is trying to wage World War 3 all by himself.
Between Yemen, Syria, Iran, Russia and North Korea, it's as if Trump is trying to wage World War 3 all by himself.
m_shortpants
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They don't even need nukes, they have enough artillery within range to do catastrophic damage to Seoul.
BocoDragon
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The concern isn't America. It's Seoul.
I never once mentioned North Korea. All I said was starting a conventional war by taking territory before advanced weapons were ready made Germany less of a threat.
Please point me in the right direction, where do you go to educate yourself? I'm not saying we should preemptively attack North Korea, I don't want that. I just think your argument is poorly made.
Making a personal attack on me just shows that you've run out of points to make.
I've never owned a call of duty game fyi.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a6212/north-korea-and-flattening-seoul/
It's perhaps more likely that NK would be hesitant to attack Seoul, in fear of the retaliation.
Fenderputty
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Right. This is dictator dick swinging. At some point in time you're going to get smacked for swinging it too close though. I'm honestly surprised he's being this brazen about this. Why not just sit back in your ivory tower and and continue to rule your poors? Does he have to do this for the propaganda? A game of global oneupmanship?
Lil'DigiOp
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I feel so fucking bad for Japan and Korea, Like this aint even us, we got hijacked. And he's fucking with world theatre.
He can rot in a ditch if he actually starts another war. Throw his fucking ass out if he starts a war.
He can rot in a ditch if he actually starts another war. Throw his fucking ass out if he starts a war.
It's sad that it took me a second to realize you were talking about NK and not Trump.
Buddha Beam
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Trump is doing exactly what Putin wants by going after NK. This is exactly how the US brought down the USSR overspend and overextend militarily and domestically and inevitably you'll collapse. Fighting another war in Asia while also getting involved in Syria will do exactly that.
RustyNails
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North Korea is run by such a cultist, brainwashed government that I would just let them be and pressure China about it. If anything bad happens its solely on Trump. We dont need this dick waving.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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The funny thing is that Trump is actually doing shit that NK threatens to do and slowly escalating in the process
I don't believe any of our latest has been live tested.
It's also not in South Korea.
North Korea could get in a few rounds before cruise missiles decimated their border defenses. I don't believe they could "flatten" soel in an initial volley... but then again we cannot flatten n Korea in a single volley unless we used nukes and all thier stuff being amassed at the border makes that a no go (besides the whole nuke thing)
I am not a general though.
I do believe the current "crisis" if you want to call it that is this test nuke would be able to be mounted to a missle and strike Japan. I don't think thier current nukes can be launched, they would have to deliver it by train to s korea.
Again... not a general and I have no security clearance. Hopefully the test fails.
NYCmetsfan
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you're in a thread about NK.
MadJackChurchill
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How many times has this rung true, yet people in this thread are honestly suggesting it should have been done years ago? Have you lot not been watching the news for the past 20 years?
Pre-emptive strikes do not work. Conventional invasions do not work. How many years has it been since Saddam was executed, yet the US can't prop-up a government in Iraq without Baghdad being car-bombed every other week or keep the second largest city in the country safe from militants? Imagine that situation, but the 4th largest army in the world; how many tens of times bigger than the membership of ISIS and Al Qaeda etc combined.
Lol.
Yep. Being the agressor isn't a good thing. NK has had a fairly advanced nuclear weapons program for some time now, and despite their shitty rhetoric they aren't carrying out attacks on anyone. It's clearly posturing.
Imo Pakistan is just as dangerous if not more so because they seem more vulnerable to extremists who would actually use their nukes taking control of said nukes.
If you attack NK preemptively you're worse than NK.
Fenderputty
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There's a strategic advantage to a preemptive strike. If the war is going to happen anyway because we can't let them have nukes and ICBM's and they won't stop the pursuit of nukes and ICBM's, a preemptive strike benefits Seoul.
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