a preemptive strike benefits Seoul.
North Korean coal, a major source of hard currency for Pyongyang
China had not imported any coal from North Korea since Beijing imposed a cutoff on Feb. 19, Mr. Huang said. That ban has been interpreted as punishment for the February killing in Malaysia of Kim Jong-nam, the estranged half brother of North Korea's leader, Kim Jong-un, which Pyongyang has been accused of orchestrating.
On Wednesday, Global Times, a prominent state-run Chinese newspaper, said that if the North tested another nuclear bomb or a missile, restrictions on oil might be the next step. North Korea is almost entirely reliant on China for crude oil.
”If the North makes another provocative move this month, the Chinese society will be willing to see the United Nations Security Council adopt severe restrictive measures that have never been seen before, such as restricting oil exports to the North," the paper said in an editorial.
There are millions of active duty North Koreans alongside large amounts of mobile artillery units; US attacks, Seoul is going to be on fire. Hence why they won't do it.
You really don't understand the level of crap the NK army have at the ready. Unless the US, SK and Japan can coordinate synchronised sorties to bomb the entire 38th parallel WITHOUT Kim being notified, artillery will fly.
Besides the main story, there are some interesting tidbits in the article:
nytimes.com
They've had enough of Kim.
There's a strategic advantage to a preemptive strike. If the war is going to happen anyway because we can't let them have nukes and ICBM's and they won't stop the pursuit of nukes and ICBM's, a preemptive strike benefits Seoul.
Excuse me, aside from a total nuking of the entire country, how? Going on with the status quo or even organising a disarmament treaty, like Iran, is surely better than being smacked with artillery shells.
Besides the main story, there are some interesting tidbits in the article:
nytimes.com
They've had enough of Kim.
Donald Trump will not win the election.
I personally think the end game with NK is war. Unless the humanitarian crisis is allowed to continue on for another decade or ten. I doubt this ever ends diplomatically. A preemptive strike makes sense when considering Seoul. That being said, I don't trust this admin with dealing with Syria. I sure as fuck don't trust this admin with this monster.
you're in a thread about NK.
China / USA joint operation to insert, eliminate and extract, then prop up a puppet who won't go fucking insane with nukes. DO IT
Ultimately, something has to be done, but it should have happened a decade ago. The world can't allow a North Korean regime to secure their hold on nuclear weapons, let alone long-ranged and hydrogen bomb capabilities. Having this unpredictable US administration is volatile enough.
Allowing NK to complete their missile testing is only guaranteeing a nuclear strike down the line with targets anywhere in the world.
I addressed one person's comment, but I'll give you the NK comment you are asking for.
NK has no real economy so sanctions won't do anything. Cutting aid just starves brainwashed citizen. Long range missiles and nukes would make them militarily untouchable. What do you do when they get more aggressive with their new power?
My fear isn't North Korea. It's Russia, Iran or Syria. Or all three.
What better time to directly challenge the US militarily then when they are engaged with North Korea?
What if Iran and al Assad decide to go after Israel around the same time the US is engaging North Korea? And what if Russia coordinates it?
If status quo is fine/better than let it continue. If war is inevitable, a preemptive strike makes sense
It's crazy to think that if something does go down it will be just a normal day like this and all of a sudden it's on the news just like with the moab. One second all is as before, next second nothing will ever be the same.
And your reason to believe that they'd stop being a rational actor is...?
Likely the best option. Doesn't look like starving NK out will break their cult of personality quickly. Gonna need to wipe out the cult leaders to "break the spell" easily.
Trump is doing exactly what Putin wants by going after NK. This is exactly how the US brought down the USSR overspend and overextend militarily and domestically and inevitably you'll collapse. Fighting another war in Asia while also getting involved in Syria will do exactly that.
It's about damn time. Glad to see China coming aroundBesides the main story, there are some interesting tidbits in the article:
nytimes.com
They've had enough of Kim.
China / USA joint operation to insert, eliminate and extract, then prop up a puppet who won't go fucking insane with nukes. DO IT
They've done some irrational stuff in the past too. Attacking Yeonpyeong was a rather odd thing to do.
A nuclear strike is far-fetched simply because North Korea knows it would get blown to bits. That's how MAD works.
SEOUL, South Korea The South Korean military went to crisis status on Tuesday and threatened military strikes after the North fired dozens of shells at a South Korean island, killing two of the Souths soldiers and setting off an exchange of fire in one of the most serious clashes between the two sides in decades.
President Lee Myung-bak met with security-related ministers and senior aides in the underground situation room at the Blue House, the presidential office and residence, and promised a strenuous retaliation if there was any further provocation, said the chief presidential spokesman, Hong Sang-pyo.
The North blamed the South for starting the exchange; the South acknowledged firing test shots in the area but denied that any had fallen in the Norths territory. It was in the same area that a South Korean naval vessel, the Cheonan, was sunk in March, killing 46 sailors. Seoul blamed a North Korean torpedo attack; the North has denied any role.
Everything sounds easy when you run it through your own head real quick, a head which cannot process the trillions of variables in reality that go completely and horribly wrong.
My tinfoil says it could be collusion with Trump and China to try and topple the regime. Imagine succeeding with liberation in the 2010's
Sphere of influence and all.
Explain how war is inevitable. Would the regime spend a year of taking people out of work and forcing them into construction of an entirely new street, if they wanted to go to direct war with SK or the US?
About fucking time. China has been enabling NK for far too long.Besides the main story, there are some interesting tidbits in the article:
nytimes.com
They've had enough of Kim.
Economic anxiety.
There was no racism or stupidity involved.
And if you want to blame anyone, blame Hillary.
She did this. Because her campaign was too prissy or something.
True, but none of us have all the facts so that seems the best idea from what I know.
Economic anxiety.
There was no racism or stupidity involved.
And if you want to blame anyone, blame Hillary.
She did this. Because her campaign was too prissy or something.
My fear isn't North Korea. It's Russia, Iran or Syria. Or all three.
What better time to directly challenge the US militarily then when they are engaged with North Korea?
What if Iran and al Assad decide to go after Israel around the same time the US is engaging North Korea? And what if Russia coordinates it?
What? North Korea's dictator is not currently a rational actor, and allowing Un to secure long range nuclear and hydrogen bombs sure as hell won't ensure him to act rationally.And your reason to believe that they'd stop being a rational actor is...?
Japanese Warships are joining the US "Armada"
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/12/japanese-warships-join-us-fleet-north-korea
The 8 years of a democrat president were nice, guys
Any official state has no motivation to use nukes because of MAD, unless you preemptively attack a somewhat unpredictable nuclear state.
The only people who will use a nuke unprovoked would be terrorists not officially associated with a nation state.
If you want NK to use a nuke, your preemptively attack them. It won't happen otherwise. If that happens US takes as much or more of the blame as NK does internationally.
Status quo IS better than a preemptive strike. You're a war monger of you think otherwise.
There are millions of active duty North Koreans alongside large amounts of mobile artillery units; US attacks, Seoul is going to be on fire. Hence why they won't do it.
Has North Korea even proven that they can hit anything with their missiles? Last I checked they still couldn't. Did they have a successful launch or something?
Did we already forget Libya? Not that I think letting Qaddafi massacre his own people was any better.
They have plenty of functional conventional weaponry, nukes aside.