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NBC News: U.S. May Launch Strike If North Korea Reaches For Nuclear Trigger
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MadJackChurchill
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Excuse me, aside from a total nuking of the entire country, how? Going on with the status quo or even organising a disarmament treaty, like Iran, is surely better than being smacked with artillery shells.
Besides the main story, there are some interesting tidbits in the article:
nytimes.com
They've had enough of Kim.
nytimes.com
They've had enough of Kim.
shira
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Ah well everybody gonna gonna be rattling sabers like it's a 9.0 on the richter scale.
About time.
Or, you could not guarantee dooming Seoul to a retaliatory artillery barrage or even nuke strike by NK?
Ultimately, something has to be done, but it should have happened a decade ago. The world can't allow a North Korean regime to secure their hold on nuclear weapons, let alone long-ranged and hydrogen bomb capabilities. Having this unpredictable US administration is volatile enough.
Allowing NK to complete their missile testing is only guaranteeing a nuclear strike down the line with targets anywhere in the world.
Allowing NK to complete their missile testing is only guaranteeing a nuclear strike down the line with targets anywhere in the world.
Fenderputty
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I personally think the end game with NK is war. Unless the humanitarian crisis is allowed to continue on for another decade or ten. I doubt this ever ends diplomatically. A preemptive strike makes sense when considering Seoul. That being said, I don't trust this admin with dealing with Syria. I sure as fuck don't trust this admin with this monster.
If status quo is fine/better than let it continue. If war is inevitable, a preemptive strike makes sense
If status quo is fine/better than let it continue. If war is inevitable, a preemptive strike makes sense
VivaciousSoul
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It's crazy to think that if something does go down it will be just a normal day like this and all of a sudden it's on the news just like with the moab. One second all is as before, next second nothing will ever be the same.
China / USA joint operation to insert, eliminate and extract, then prop up a puppet who won't go fucking insane with nukes. DO IT
Netherscourge
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My fear isn't North Korea. It's Russia, Iran or Syria. Or all three.
What better time to directly challenge the US militarily then when they are engaged with North Korea?
What if Iran and al Assad decide to go after Israel around the same time the US is engaging North Korea? And what if Russia coordinates it?
What better time to directly challenge the US militarily then when they are engaged with North Korea?
What if Iran and al Assad decide to go after Israel around the same time the US is engaging North Korea? And what if Russia coordinates it?
Exactly. These are very bad times. The world is divided. No hurt in giving a small % of a shit.
The Salt Life
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Well shit...They had to catch up with technology eventually, no one is doing anything about NK, not China, not Russia, and they are bigger targets then we are. I mean no one over there in that region is nervous that one of these nuclear tests will go haywire and blow up over their region?
This was something that unfortunately was bound to happen sometime in our lifetime.
This was something that unfortunately was bound to happen sometime in our lifetime.
Razgriz-Specter
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Once the technology is there to perfectly defend SK, its going to happen.
Only other possibilities are a complete NK collapse, which could still end badly.
Or NK finally does something that SK can't just overlook(like sinking ships in the past).
I addressed one person's comment, but I'll give you the NK comment you are asking for.
NK has no real economy so sanctions won't do anything. Cutting aid just starves brainwashed citizen. Long range missiles and nukes would make them militarily untouchable. What do you do when they get more aggressive with their new power? Sitting around for 65 years has made a mess for even the Chinese puppetmasters.
Likely the best option. Doesn't look like starving NK out will break their cult of personality quickly. Gonna need to wipe out the cult leaders to "break the spell" easily.
Coriolanus
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Ffs the way some of you talk, its a little miracle that pakistan hasn't been reduced to cinders by now.
And your reason to believe that they'd stop being a rational actor is...?
They have been de facto untouchable for decades, thanks to Seoul's proximity. In order for one to assume that they would get more aggressive with their new power, one has to assume that they'd stop being rational actors, for MAD entails. Why would one assume that they'd stop being rational actors?
And your reason to believe that they'd stop being a rational actor is...?
They have been de facto untouchable for decades, thanks to Seoul's proximity. In order for one to assume that they would get more aggressive with their new power, one has to assume that they'd stop being rational actors, for MAD entails. Why would one assume that they'd stop being rational actors?
Isn't Russia pro-Israel? Why would they do that?
MadJackChurchill
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Explain how war is inevitable. Would the regime spend a year of taking people out of work and forcing them into construction of an entirely new street, if they wanted to go to direct war with SK or the US?
well, turns out: no one asks what we think before making decisions.
They've done some irrational stuff in the past too. Attacking Yeonpyeong was a rather odd thing to do.
A nuclear strike is far-fetched simply because North Korea knows it would get blown to bits. That's how MAD works.
Also why is everyone so hung up about the MOAB thing. It's a big, conventional bomb. It's not VX or a suitcase nuke.
Just_myles
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More concerned about South Korea as they are the easier targets.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Everything sounds easy when you run it through your own head real quick, a head which cannot process the trillions of variables in reality that go completely and horribly wrong.
Xyrmellon
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Just like they're fighting wars in Ukraine and Syria with a much weaker economy?
The U.S. has had the ability of fighting two simultaneous ground wars for some time, even post cold war.
wesleyshark
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It's about damn time. Glad to see China coming around
Badlucktroll
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Japanese Warships are joining the US "Armada"
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/12/japanese-warships-join-us-fleet-north-korea
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/12/japanese-warships-join-us-fleet-north-korea
Sounds like we should have done this instead of the Iraq War. Maybe the N. Koreans would have been the ones to welcome us with open arms.
China and S. Korea wouldn't have allowed it back then though.
Coriolanus
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True, but none of us have all the facts so that seems the best idea from what I know.
Trump 2020 guaranteed.
wumster3000
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Why does he want a war so bad? I thought Hillary was the war monger. That's what Trump said, so he has to be right.
Fenderputty
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We deem the humanitarian crisis can't go on any longer or we consider their military advancement has gone too far. At some point in time, one of these will happen if they don't collapse in on themselves first.
About fucking time. China has been enabling NK for far too long.
Crimson_Gold
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If only she had promised progress. Oh shit she did. I guess some progress wasn't enough. So here we are. Yay civilization. Posturing or not, we are at the doorstep of war. Smh
Bam Bam Baklava
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"None of us have all the facts, but my pie in the sky military fantasy scenario is best"
Yeah, no shit it is buddy.
Buddha Beam
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Wow that's really relevant and insightful.
This is almost certainly exactly what is occurring. Putin seems especially motivated by revenge for bringing down the Soviet Union. It would be spectacular (to him) if he could bring the United States to its knees by effectively doing to us what we did to him.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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The 8 years of a democrat president were nice, guys
The Sum of Zero
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Been lurking to see if anything actually is happening but all this armchair analysis, hyperbole, and anxiety-inducing fear mongering, well...someone just edit the OP or make a new thread if something (or nothing) happens.
What? North Korea's dictator is not currently a rational actor, and allowing Un to secure long range nuclear and hydrogen bombs sure as hell won't ensure him to act rationally.
I suppose this is a good thing?
Any official state has no motivation to use nukes because of MAD, unless you preemptively attack a somewhat unpredictable nuclear state.
The only people who will use a nuke unprovoked would be terrorists not officially associated with a nation state.
If you want NK to use a nuke, you preemptively attack them. It won't happen otherwise. If that happens US takes as much or more of the blame as NK does internationally.
Status quo IS better than a preemptive strike. You're a war monger of you think otherwise.
The only people who will use a nuke unprovoked would be terrorists not officially associated with a nation state.
If you want NK to use a nuke, you preemptively attack them. It won't happen otherwise. If that happens US takes as much or more of the blame as NK does internationally.
Status quo IS better than a preemptive strike. You're a war monger of you think otherwise.
Netherscourge
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I've never been so nervous about seeing CNN news alerts on my phone as I have been the past week or so.
I keep waiting for "Breaking News: World War III has begun" to pop up.
I keep waiting for "Breaking News: World War III has begun" to pop up.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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Has North Korea even proven that they can hit anything with their missiles? Last I checked they still couldn't. Did they have a successful launch or something?
Did we already forget Libya? Not that I think letting Qaddafi massacre his own people was any better.
I'm still trying to figure out how the hell the US thinks it can get the go ahead from the SK government to preemptively strike the North. It would destroy them.
theignoramus
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I also dont doubt for a second NK has terror cells ready to wreck havoc all over SK at a moments notice.
They have plenty of functional conventional weaponry, nukes aside.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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