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Do you want to know what makes someone like that do something crazy? Push their back against the wall and give them nothing to lose.
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NBC News: U.S. May Launch Strike If North Korea Reaches For Nuclear Trigger
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Do you want to know what makes someone like that do something crazy? Push their back against the wall and give them nothing to lose.
The us is also the only country to bomb the shit out of them (Korean War). NK has been threatening the US for decades. It's just bs propoganda from the regime and also gives them a buffer from China or the US deciding they can just do a regime change. I don't see what warrants a preemptive strike especially with Seoul in the balance.
NK isn't going to launch any nukes out of nowhere because of MAD. They might if they are attacked unprovoked by the US or anyone else.
A preemptive strike is literally the worst possible thing to do.
Bigboss242
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Well it's been good I guess.
NYCmetsfan
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preemptively no
And why would they do that unless attacked?
building a nuke is rational if you chief goal is regime security
Coriolanus
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The receipts are more than five decades of being a rational actor and three successful transitions of power. Stupid totalitarian regimes kinda have a hard time pulling stuff like that.
I believe Pakistan had quite a bit to do with helping the NK nuke program iirc.
I'm honestly more worried about the stability of the nukes in Pakistan than in NK or even a theoretical Iranian nuke program.
Pakistan seems most susceptible to extremist regime change or terrorists stealing a weapon. Iran and NK seem fairly stable and would seemingly have a better handle on nuclear weapons security.
Coriolanus
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Before 94? Soviets.
After that? Chief theory is that US's Best Ally Pakistan sold them tech.
How About No
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I'm gonna hope for nothing happening
Stay safe SK/Japan/China GAF
Stay safe SK/Japan/China GAF
Subpar Scrub
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The mixture of defeatist, sad attitudes and "stay safe" posts when the discussion is about ballistic and nuclear weapons makes me not want to follow many of these threads anymore.
spiderman123
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N/K and nukes are a dangerous mix.
Tallshortman
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No, no country can fend off a large scale nuclear attack. Only the US, Israel, and Russia (Moscow) have a known ICBM defense system. Europe does have some medium range anti-missile systems. NK does not have the range to hit Europe.
PeskyToaster
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If a war disrupts my goddamn last Jedi trailer god fuckin damn it I will stop the god damn war myself.
NyMartin90
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as other have mentioned Pakistan's chief scientist who created their nuclear weapon's program went rogue and started selling nuclear technology to Libya, Iran, and North Korea.
He used to be celebrated as a the father of the "Islamic Bomb" but after the whole scandal he was put on house arrest until 2009, where he is now a free citizen. The Pakistani government claims he went rogue and was doing this on his own. President Musharraf even made him go on national television to admit it as well as apologize to the nation.
Steeped in a Sea of Games
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Sorry, should everyone get on their "America, fuck yeah!" shirts and put on Eye of the Tiger?
That's if a moron like Trump follows through with letting someone be in charge of this. It's a 50/50 proposition.
NYCmetsfan
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nukes was pakistan but current stuff is mostly indigenous. I mean they have physics in NK
ShadowSwordmaster
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Or maybe it's more about keeping yourself from being too depressed.
NYCmetsfan
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ICBM defense is mostly useless. Any attack would be many nukes with multiple warheads. Not physically stopping that
Steeped in a Sea of Games
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I'm just not sure what he expected. War and massive loss of life is a terrible thing.
I'm definitely not advocating a preemptive strike. I'm just saying that I wouldn't lump NK with other nuclear-capable nations. But I definitely wouldn't be bold enough to say that they "are't going to do anything." Nobody knows what they're gonna do.
Tallshortman
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What's what I said that in my first sentence. The current defense systems can only intercept a few missiles at most.
MadJackChurchill
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You're joking. Right?
I seriously doubt he ever thought this
Trump is arguably less predictable than NK at this point. Under Obama you could pretty much say 100% the US will not preemptively strike NK.
Now it's maybe 50/50?
I feel pretty comfortable saying 99.99% NK isn't just going to nuke someone just because. If we hit them with a preemptive strike it becomes 50/50 they respond with a nuke.
I'll take the status quo scenario.
We are living in some sort of bizarro world.
Randomizer
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I would not want to be in Seoul right about now. Jesus, if these idiots do anything stupid the loss of life could be catastrophic.
Jesus, dude.
I mean - this is the guy that's petty enough to have hookers piss on a bed the Obamas slept on.
Unconfirmed though
stryker1138
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He has absolutely thought this. The man continues to be obsessed with his performance in the election.
That's pretty different though
Subpar Scrub
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No, but the people saying "We're all dead. Goodbye, everyone. I'll miss you." Like twice a week are pretty pathetic. Also doesn't really help encourage discussion.
You don't have to take things to their extremes, friend.
True but, 🤔
Can NK hit anyone with a nuke right now?
I hope it's true for what it's worth.
Pentagon declines comment on NBC story on North Korea
The Pentagon on Thursday declined to comment on an NBC report about possible pre-emptive action against North Korea, saying, as a policy, it does not discuss future operations "nor publicly speculate on possible scenarios."
"Commanders are always considering a full range of options to protect against any contingencies," Dana White, a Pentagon spokeswoman, said in a statement. Reuters had queried the Pentagon about the report.
"Our commitment to the defense of our allies, including the Republic of Korea and Japan, in the face of potential threats, remains steadfast."
Source: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-usa-pentagon-idUSKBN17G02B
The Pentagon on Thursday declined to comment on an NBC report about possible pre-emptive action against North Korea, saying, as a policy, it does not discuss future operations "nor publicly speculate on possible scenarios."
"Commanders are always considering a full range of options to protect against any contingencies," Dana White, a Pentagon spokeswoman, said in a statement. Reuters had queried the Pentagon about the report.
"Our commitment to the defense of our allies, including the Republic of Korea and Japan, in the face of potential threats, remains steadfast."
Source: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-usa-pentagon-idUSKBN17G02B
I would've assumed that... But I'm not sure Trump will be able to allow another blow to his ego and not launch an attack if a test goes ahead.
MrToughPants
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Will probably backfire and wipe themselves out.
Randomizer
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South Korea and maybe Japan.
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