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NCAA Men's College Basketball 2012-2013 Season |OT|

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truly101

I got grudge sucked!
DominoKid said:
its a bit amusing to hear K (who acted an absolute ass last night) whine and bitch about some unruly students. they looked pretty damn safe to me.
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Right, and if this was Tony Bennett complaining about unruly Cameron Crazies engaging his staff and his players, we know how that would be taken as gospel truth just like the Tyler Lewis bullshit.

How many times has Duke been court rushed and how many times has K brought up unruly fans? This is the first, so maybe, something actually happened.

I swear somebody could shoot up the entire basketball team and staff and students, the guy would be labeled a hero and Duke did something to deserve it.

404Ender said:
Aren't you a UNC fan? Roy bitched about the same thing last year and pulled his starters from a game early to protect them from the court rush (and of course got crucified for it since he left his walk-ons hanging, but that's another story...)
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You can't expect consistency from those people...

Seriously, I've said this before, in this thread I'm sure. I don't care if you court rush, just leave the players alone.
 
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DominoKid

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404Ender said:
Aren't you a UNC fan? Roy bitched about the same thing last year and pulled his starters from a game early to protect them from the court rush (and of course got crucified for it since he left his walk-ons hanging, but that's another story...)

Security needs to be better to protect not only the opposing players and staff, but also the students themselves. What if things hadn't gone so smoothly for that kid on a wheelchair at NC State? One day some kid is going to get trampled, or a drunk fan is going to heckle a visiting player and start a brawl. It's only a matter of time now that court-rushing has become so common.
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i've never been shy about my selective outrage :p
 
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DominoKid said:
i've never been shy about my selective outrage :p
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Heh, fair enough.

Duke is in a dangerous spot right now. We've got Miami at home and UNC on the road coming up - both games we could definitely lose. We've already lost our 1-seed unless we manage to win out, plus probably win the ACC tournament.

Really hoping that Ryan comes back at at least 75%.
 
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truly101

I got grudge sucked!
404Ender said:
Heh, fair enough.

Duke is in a dangerous spot right now. We've got Miami at home and UNC on the road coming up - both games we could definitely lose. We've already lost our 1-seed unless we manage to win out, plus probably win the ACC tournament.

Really hoping that Ryan comes back at at least 75%.
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We don't have a bad loss schedule wise, Michigan, UF and KU do. I expect us to beat Miami, VT and lose to UNC last regular season game. All beats are off for everyone come conference tourney time.
 
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TheNatural

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chuckddd said:
The dirty, cheating Gaels have been dealt with by the NCAA. St. Mary's reign over cbb is at an end.
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In addition, the NCAA charged an unnamed former assistant with unethical conduct, saying he "knowingly committed violations during the recruitment of three prospects." The report said that the assistant arranged for travel to the United States and lodging with a local family for at least one recruit and that Bennett was aware of the activity.
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*Gasp* - as opposed to say, Worldwide Wes arranging for a prospect to be guaranteed in the Creative Artists Agency clique with Lebron and Drake after college for playing a year with a certain school.

Gotta love these NCAA standards.
 
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chuckddd

Fear of a GAF Planet
TheNatural said:
*Gasp* - as opposed to say, Worldwide Wes arranging for a prospect to be guaranteed in the Creative Artists Agency clique with Lebron and Drake after college for playing a year with a certain school.

Gotta love these NCAA standards.
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It's basically the NCAA telling small schools to be better at cheating, not actually to stop cheating. UNM had a similar situation with the football team. The football team that won 3 games in 3 years.
 
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truly101

I got grudge sucked!
chuckddd said:
It's basically the NCAA telling small schools to be better at cheating, not actually to stop cheating. UNM had a similar situation with the football team. The football team that won 3 games in 3 years.
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The Cal Polytech violations last year we're completely laughable. Something like their athletes apparently audited one too many classes or something like that, compared to fake classes and independent studies at...other places.
 
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Talon

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We doing a bracket this year?
truly101 said:
The Cal Polytech violations last year we're completely laughable. Something like their athletes apparently audited one too many classes or something like that, compared to fake classes and independent studies at...other places.
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UNC is bulletproof, Truly. You know that.
 
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jakncoke

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Was looking over Kentucky seasons, The AP started doing mens basketball polls in the 1948-1949 season. Since then Kentucky has only missed 2 years the 88-89 season adn 89-90 and that was around the time they got in trouble. crazy.
 
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Fjordson

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What is Coach K bitching about? Honest question. Watching Around the Horn right now and he's saying he was worried for his players. Yet the video shows Duke's players walking calmly towards their bench, and then calmly shaking hands with the Virginia coaches behind those security dudes in the yellow jackets. I don't get it....

Obviously there are risks involved with human stampedes, but I'm confused as to what happened last night specifically to set him off.
 
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DominoKid

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my thing about it is that its hilarious when k complains about fans behavior (insults, cursing, threats, etc) when HIS is the home of that shit.
 
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Deleted member 12837

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Fjordson said:
What is Coach K bitching about? Honest question. Watching Around the Horn right now and he's saying he was worried for his players. Yet the video shows Duke's players walking calmly towards their bench, and then calmly shaking hands with the Virginia coaches behind those security dudes in the yellow jackets. I don't get it....

Obviously there are risks involved with human stampedes, but I'm confused as to what happened last night specifically to set him off.
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Yeah I'm a little confused about why last night in particular set him off.

DominoKid said:
my thing about it is that its hilarious when k complains about fans behavior (insults, cursing, threats, etc) when HIS is the home of that shit.
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This has some merit, but I'd still argue that there's a slight, yet important difference between fans in the stands (even as close as in CIS) and fans on the court.
 
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Fjordson

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I mean the issue at large isn't too off the wall. Excited young people all rushing madly towards the same area is probably not the safest thing in the world, but last night seemed pretty tame as far as court stormings go *shrug*
 
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truly101

I got grudge sucked!
Fjordson said:
I mean the issue at large isn't too off the wall. Excited young people all rushing madly towards the same area is probably not the safest thing in the world, but last night seemed pretty tame as far as court stormings go *shrug*
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the supposed rumor is apparently some students were blocking the entrance tunnel to the locker rooms, and then a couple of them engaged the team and staff with some comments and threatening behavior.

I have zero idea if its true, but again, this is our 4th court storming loss of the year and we usually get stormed unless its UNC. He never said anything about the fans in those losses, with the lone exception being FSU in 2006.

Also, UVA fans can be pompous assholes as I've witnessed first hand. They'll gloat and make complete jerks of themselves to anyone around.
 
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TJ Verboten

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The New York Times interview with Bobby Knight is illuminating.
For Dick Vitale's crusade of renaming Assembly Hall after Robert Montgomery Knight...or for that matter, Knight even being willing to comeback, it doesnt look like that is happening anytime soon, if ever.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/03/magazine/coach-bobby-knight-on-why-hes-so-unpleasant.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0

Some of the highlights -
Indiana’s current coach, Tom Crean, has been trying to get you back to Bloomington to have some sort of homecoming. I imagine you’d receive a hero’s welcome.
I don’t need a hero’s welcome. What do I need a hero’s welcome for? Obviously I don’t have any interest in going back, or I would have, it’s that simple.

Your book, “The Power of Negative Thinking,” presents what could be considered an anti-Pollyanna vision of the world. I have to agree that eternally optimistic positive thinkers are incredibly annoying.
When I first started coaching, one of the worst things that I think I heard was “It will be O.K.” I would wonder, How the hell is it going to be O.K.? The worst word in the English language is “hope.”

Myles Brand, the former Indiana University president who fired you, died in 2009. What did you think when you heard?
I didn’t like the guy. In fact, the first time I ever did anything with him, I said, “This guy will be a problem for a lot of people here.” I felt that way when he was alive, and I felt that way when he was dead — and never wasted any time on it.

Imagine you were allowed to edit your own obituary. Is there anything you’d choose to leave out?
Well, seeing as I won’t be able to, I would simply quote Clark Gable. Quite frankly, I just don’t give a damn.

As an IU fan, Bobby Knight still means a lot. Those Calbert Cheaney teams were when I first started watching college basketball as a kid. To me, Knight was the most brilliant basketball coach in the sport (though I think Coach K has surpassed him in terms of accomplishments). His last 5 years at IU notwithstanding, his run prior to that was outstanding, 3 national titles, could have had a couple more if not for injuries (Scott May's broken elbow in 75', Alan Henderson's knee injury in 93').

But after the repeated overtures made to Knight since Crean has been there, coupled with nearly everyone involved in his firing no longer being a part of IU, I find his attitude frustrating but unfortunately typical Bobby Knight. It's tough for the man to get over a grudge.
 
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Fjordson

Member
Some great games today. Louisville and Syracuse at 10, the heavyweight matchup of Kentucky at Arkansas (not really) and then the Miami/Duke rematch.

I really hope UK can gut it out today. Going to be tough, Arkansas has been great at home. I think if we can win today and then take care of business at Georgia we'll be safely into the tournament.
 
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eznark

Banned
TJ Verboten said:
The New York Times interview with Bobby Knight is illuminating.
For Dick Vitale's crusade of renaming Assembly Hall after Robert Montgomery Knight...or for that matter, Knight even being willing to comeback, it doesnt look like that is happening anytime soon, if ever.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/03/magazine/coach-bobby-knight-on-why-hes-so-unpleasant.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0

Some of the highlights -
Indiana’s current coach, Tom Crean, has been trying to get you back to Bloomington to have some sort of homecoming. I imagine you’d receive a hero’s welcome.
I don’t need a hero’s welcome. What do I need a hero’s welcome for? Obviously I don’t have any interest in going back, or I would have, it’s that simple.

Your book, “The Power of Negative Thinking,” presents what could be considered an anti-Pollyanna vision of the world. I have to agree that eternally optimistic positive thinkers are incredibly annoying.
When I first started coaching, one of the worst things that I think I heard was “It will be O.K.” I would wonder, How the hell is it going to be O.K.? The worst word in the English language is “hope.”

Myles Brand, the former Indiana University president who fired you, died in 2009. What did you think when you heard?
I didn’t like the guy. In fact, the first time I ever did anything with him, I said, “This guy will be a problem for a lot of people here.” I felt that way when he was alive, and I felt that way when he was dead — and never wasted any time on it.

Imagine you were allowed to edit your own obituary. Is there anything you’d choose to leave out?
Well, seeing as I won’t be able to, I would simply quote Clark Gable. Quite frankly, I just don’t give a damn.

As an IU fan, Bobby Knight still means a lot. Those Calbert Cheaney teams were when I first started watching college basketball as a kid. To me, Knight was the most brilliant basketball coach in the sport (though I think Coach K has surpassed him in terms of accomplishments). His last 5 years at IU notwithstanding, his run prior to that was outstanding, 3 national titles, could have had a couple more if not for injuries (Scott May's broken elbow in 75', Alan Henderson's knee injury in 93').

But after the repeated overtures made to Knight since Crean has been there, coupled with nearly everyone involved in his firing no longer being a part of IU, I find his attitude frustrating but unfortunately typical Bobby Knight. It's tough for the man to get over a grudge.
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If he started regularly coming back to IU games he wouldn't be able to keep charging a fortune for Hoosiers to buy a ticket to hear him talk at Rising Sun casino.
 
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TJ Verboten

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eznark said:
If he started regularly coming back to IU games he wouldn't be able to keep charging a fortune for Hoosiers to buy a ticket to hear him talk at Rising Sun casino.
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Yeah, he's been on more of a spree the last couple years with that. Even selling his national championship rings, gold medal, etc., he says to help put his grandchildren through college.

He had those goofy commercials he did in Lubbock for various products to earn a little extra in endorsements (more power to him).

On the other hand, he often had a below market salary while he was the coach at IU. Even at Texas Tech in 03, he didnt think he earned his 250,000 salary for that year after missing the tournament, so he gave up his salary.
 
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DarkWish

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VCU vs Butler on ESPN2 right now, first time playing each other since Butler beat VCU in the Final Four two years ago. VCU's havoc in full force, this is gonna be a good game! Go Rams!
 
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TheNatural

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Fuck these Syracuse fans, acting like they're getting shafted when refs are only tagging them for about 30% of the shit they're doing. Triche uses that fucking forearm every drive.
 
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TJ Verboten

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Butler's kryptonite this year is a pressing, trapping defense. IU did it to them in the last few minutes to force overtime. Crean said he wished he would have went to the press earlier.
St. Louis forced Butler into a bunch of turnovers with their pressing D.
VCU's havoc is a bad matchup for Butler.
Be interesting to see if their opponents in the tournament press + trap Butler.
 
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TheNatural

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Hancock with fucking daggers this game. Please just hold on, with this fuckjob officiating this is a HUGE win if we can hang on.
 
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DarkWish

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84-52 VCU destroys Butler! Worst loss for Butler under coach Brad Stevens. As a VCU fan and former student, that was awesome.
 
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weekend_warrior

Banned
TheNatural said:
WHOOOO. Huge fucking win! 8 on 5 and we still take this shit.
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I'm not going to disagree that the officiating was lousy, but if you look at the numbers Syracuse got called for more fouls and from the line Louisville went 14/22 and Syracuse went 8/12, so don't act like you were getting screwed the entire game.
 
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TheNatural

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weekend_warrior said:
I'm not going to disagree that the officiating was lousy, but if you look at the numbers Syracuse got called for more fouls and from the line Louisville went 14/22 and Syracuse went 8/12, so don't act like you were getting screwed the entire game.
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Yeah right. The last 5 minutes were bullshit. Syracuse was using the forearm the whole fucking game, the bullshit charge foul on Hancock that has Pitino throw his jacket off, the bullshit continuation and one that Carter-Williams got.

Please. It was home cooking and you still lost. Get over it.
 
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weekend_warrior

Banned
TheNatural said:
Yeah right. The last 5 minutes were bullshit. Syracuse was using the forearm the whole fucking game, the bullshit charge foul on Hancock that has Pitino throw his jacket off, the bullshit continuation and one that Carter-Williams got.

Please. It was home cooking and you still lost. Get over it.
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There are worse calls then that all the time in basketball, you won because Syracuse played like shit and turned the ball over at the end, save the we vs the world triumphalism, nobody cares.
 
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TheNatural

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weekend_warrior said:
There are worse calls then that all the time in basketball, you won because Syracuse played like shit and turned the ball over at the end, save the we vs the world triumphalism, nobody cares.
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Worse calls? You're entire deficit was made up purely by officials. Down 7, you get a bullshit backcourt call where it should have been an offensive foul for using a forearm started it all.

You can say whatever you want, the refs silver plattered it for you, and still couldn't get it done. Get over it. See you in MSG, where maybe you won't get those benefits.
 
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