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[PauloRoberto]

I know I'm assuming here, but, you took a show of a beloved franchise typically enjoyed by straight men and put HEAVY emphasis on woke themes. Personally, I think many people didn't like when they got to Ron Swanson last season and once Ellie said she was going to be a dad, it was over. It was one thing for Ellie to be Gay, it's something completely different when you throw gender politics into the mix. You lost any hope of keeping the audience.

I watched the whole first season, it wasn't bad. But this Second season, I didn't bother once i heard about the travesty it became..

Well, BIll's episode in the show was very good for a tv series... but FU**ING horrible for a adaptation.

 

[sendit]

I disagree. Not for the casual viewers and non gamers. They have no connection to Abby. I've already seen a lot of people like "Why would I tune in to a season about this character that I hate?" They just want more Ellie and Joel.

I think if they give it a chance they may come to like it, because Dever is a great actress and show Abby is a better character than show Ellie. But if they don't give it a chance in the first place they'll never find out. Interested to see what the season 3 premiere numbers end up being.

I disagree. Bella Ramsey single handily killed season 2 with her shitty acting and stupid facial expressions. Along with the writing, making Ellie useless/weak/whiney in almost every scene.

Your second point is why people will tune in.

 

[Woggleman]

The only thing woke about any of the games are LGBT characters. The both sides approach goes against wokism which sees everything as oppressed vs oppressor.

 

[DragoonKain]

I disagree. Bella Ramsey single handily killed season 2 with her shitty acting and stupid facial expressions. Along with the writing, making Ellie useless/weak/whiney in almost every scene.

Your second point is why people will tune in.

The casual and non gamers like Bella Ramsey in the show though, from what I've seen. It's the gamers who are more vocal about her.

 

[VulcanRaven]

Don't know that I trust Pedro Pascal's judgment…

I think that quote just sounds bad out of context. I saw the interview and it didn't sound bad. Neil and Pedro seem to be in very good terms. I remember seeing some photos of them hanging out together in L.A.

 

[Strategize]

Blaming Neil for Craig's dialogue lol. Classic drinker, zero fact checking.

 

[Ulysses 31]

Blaming Neil for Craig's dialogue lol. Classic drinker, zero fact checking.

Neil was the co-writer, until it comes out he was for or against those lines he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt.

 

[TerribleAtThisGame]

Someone over there finally realized that Cormac McCarthy exists and was like waaaiiiiitttt a minute, Neil!

 

[Revolutionary]

God she's so fuckin ugly

Kinda hilarious that she's named Bella.

 

[FeralEcho]

Kinda hilarious that she's named Bella.

Cruel joke on her part.

 

[Twinblade]

Too bad he didn't fully step down from naughty dogs. I'm tired of his woke BS.

 

[playbignbox]

It would be better if he stepped down from games

 

[Solarstrike]

Last of Us III whens

 

[PixelatedBeast]

Last of Us III whens

Like 2035.....They're working on 2 games and already confirmed neither one them have anything to do with The Last of Us. I think there just too much negativity surrounded the IP from grifters. Give the franchise a rest, and introduce a new character that crosses paths with Ellie once some of these anti woke people grow old and find something new to bitch about.

 

[Dirk Benedict]

Bring in, Bruce Straley to fuck shit up and retcon shit at his whim.

 

[IAmAnAgnostic]

Last of Us III whens

lol, never ever at this point unless it is a reboot of 2.

2 failed as a game and killed the franchise. Astonishingly the same story failed as a TV show and killed the franchise. The minutia of which story is slightly worse, 2 game or 2 TV show, is meaningless. They're mostly the exact same and that's the reason for the game and TV show drop off.

What's next, a visual novel? Surely that will finally show the Cuckmann haters!

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

The only thing woke about any of the games are LGBT characters. The both sides approach goes against wokism which sees everything as oppressed vs oppressor.

Thing is, it's not actually a both sides approach. It's a mirror situation in which two women are haunted by the same man, which is dead now. Moral relativism and all that. If they keep the same ending as in the game, it will be full woke.

The only way Ellie could spare Abby's life in a believable way would be with them teaming up against a worse threat, exactly like Maggie and Negan in TWD.

To make people like Abby in the TV show they should have left Joel's death for the season finale, after revealing in each chapter pieces of Abby's backstory. That would have built up a better dramatic tension. Prioritizing shock value over dramatic tension is classic bad writing textbook.

IMO, the game becomes full woke and stupid at the theater scene. Everything that happens after that is pathetic and can't be replicated by a TV show without becoming a bad parody.

 

[Fake]

The only thing woke about any of the games are LGBT characters.

Pregnant woman fightning and using guns because?
The pregnant woman is also the only medic of the fucking entire team, so in the war we put medics at the frontline because?
A christian cult that hate LGBT even when this information got leaked Neil Cuckmen denied?
Abby + Lev trying to replace Joel + Ellie because no fucking reason?
Abby carring more about Lev at the point of killing her own people/group/friends/boss because?
Her boss, with is BTW was killed in the most idiotic scene ever, give Abby food/ammunition to find a needle in the desert even when he need those resources to win the war against the Christian cult because?
Abby getting steroids while the rest of the world is begging for food at the point of some folks becaming cannibalism because?

Yeah, is only woke because LGBT
/s

 

[CLW]

Making Ellie into a moron was a bizarre choice. She is nothing like game Ellie.

So she's not a miserable completely unlikable character with no redeeming qualities by the end of season 2?

 

[Woggleman]

The whole pregnant woman fighting argument is tired. They did not intend to get ambushed. The plan was to simply move her from one place to another and then they were put in a situation where it was fight or die. They were not marching into battle. There are real and legitimate criticisms of the story but let's not just twist things.

 

[Fake]

^
Try search on Google about pregnant woman using guns, jump of fences.

What is tiring is this deflecting bs. Wasn't woke before, but somehow now people are admiting was indeed woke, just not as woke as some people tried to point out years ago.

The only good thing this game did was to point out the narcissist's mindset.

 

[Woggleman]

I still say the game is not woke whatever that is even supposed to mean. If you look hard enough anything can be woke or problematic.

Also I don't even think the seraphites are christian. They worship a woman who was only killed recently in the game.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

 

[Heimdall_Xtreme]

They bragged so much about Emmy awards and it was useless... Along with the worst choice of Ellie in history.

 

[Gamer79]

If they were smart they would throw out all of Neil's ideas. Use his universe and have real writers and directors make storylines that people care about. Kinda Like the Xfiles. It was a great show but all of the shit episodes were the ones that Chris Carter the director made. When other directors used his universe, they made much better stories.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

Bring in, Bruce Straley to fuck shit up and retcon shit at his whim.

Straley was the yin to Drueckmann's yang. He probably kept his worst tendencies in check.

 

[DragoonKain]

So she's not a miserable completely unlikable character with no redeeming qualities by the end of season 2?

She's miserable and dumb.

 

[Woggleman]

The game Ellie was not a bowl of sunshine by any means but she was not stupid and her character made sense.

 

[Clear]

The hate boner some of you guys have for Druckman is pretty weird!

I mean, it basically boils down to guy made game we really liked, then made a sequel we really didn't like... and the rest is basically blaming anything bad that happens in the vicinity of stuff he's worked on, on him exclusively!

Blaming him for the show is pretty funny to me because let's face it, its hardly the only show around these days that's full of "the message" !

 

[Giallo Corsa]

I can hear Mibu no okami's (condescending) screams from here.

"race swapping doesn't matter"
"sex swapping doesn't matter"
"there's no agenda whatsoever "
"they're all means as to have the story progress , ya'll racists"

 

[TheInfamousKira]

You know, Craig, you really are The Last of Us: season 03

 

[kazuyamishima]

I just hope that Sony finally confirms the game already passed the 20m. million mark or if there's another leak.

A lot of people will lose their shit together.

 

[Outlier]

He wants to make sure that ND doesn't turn Jordan into an actually likable character, in his absence.