Neil Druckman is stepping down from The Last of Us - HBO Show

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Fbh said:
The stuff outside of combat has always been a weak point of modern ND, but I think it's way worse now than before because there's way more of it and it has even less player agency.

Look up the first 2-3 hours of Uncharted 2 vs Uncharted 4. By the 2,5 hours mark in Uncharted 2 you've not only gone through the entire intro (train crash + museum) but also the action heavy Borneo level and are in the middle of the action heavy Nepal level after the cool chopper chase.
In Uncharted 4 the first 2,5 hours are a flashback to young Drake, a flashback to Drake in jail, a "Drake working a normal job and chilling at home" sequence, all of them with almost no player agency. Then it's a short flashback to Sam escaping from prison where you finally get to shoot a gun, then it's back to infiltrating the party level with no player agency.
It isn't until chapter 8 in Scotland that you get anything resembling the structure and pacing of previous games, and even then the game has way fewer combat encounters than 1-3, which is a shame because the actual gunplay is the best it has been in the franchise.
For me personally it's why I think The Lost Legacy is way better than 4.

I hope Intergalatic actually has more player agency, but I'm not holding my breath. I expect the structure to be something like 20 minutes of solid and fun combat, 30 minutes of walking and talking with meh platforming and exploration and then 30-40 minutes of some flashback where we slowly learn what went wrong between the bald chick and Lalo Salamanca. Rinse and repeat.
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I'll give you it with Uncharted 4. The opening sequence is certainly memorable in some way, but it was shit to play. Lost Legacy > Uncharted 4, as always.
 
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Big yikes, so season 3 is too woke even for the cuckman? fr fr, no cap, om gawd?
 
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When a creative involved in two major projects steps away from one of them, it either wasn't their choice or one of their two projects needs help. Based on his statement, I would presume the TV Show got more than it's fair share of attention, and Intergalactic needs some focus to get it into shape.
 
Connificent said:
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How in the world did she get cast for the show. I still don't understand it.
 
I didn't finish the second season, I think it was around the time where Ellie said I'm gonna be a dad and I just wasn't in the mood and I've had no desire to continue since, I did enjoy it prior to that though, maybe I will finish the season now that this thread reminded me of the shows existence. I really don't know if it matters if he steps down or not. I wouldn't mind a spinoff with new characters, but that will probably be insufferably woke as well.
 
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I thought season 2 was amazing! Every aspect of it was great: the writing, directing, acting, special effects, and pacing. It was firing on all cylinders, and the way they adapted the source material was genius.
 
Oh hey welcome back Neil! We've kept your office just the way it was. So in 2020 we launched this new video game console… remember them? Anyway this one is fantastic hardware but we've unfortunately had to cancel pretty much all the 1st party stuff we were super excited to sell. Can you slap a remaster together in a few months?
 
As much as i'd like to shift the blame on Mazin for having the most writing credits in season 2, Neil doesn't get away scot-free. After all, he had to 'okay' every change and he appeared with Craig every time they did a bts (behind the scene) after each episode.

I do wonder if he's trying to distance himself from the negativity the second season has received. Can't imagine he's happy with every single change.
 
This fraud destroyed the TLoU franchise with his woke politics and if they let him he will destroy ND too, he's on track already.
 
"The TV show is now destroyed too, my job here is done. Time to come back destroying future videogames. My career need more highlights!"
 
The lack of production at Naughty Dog falls strictly on him. Not having a new IP release on the PS5 from ND knowing they have two teams is a failure on his part.

If at the release of the PS5 you told me that the only games ND would make this gen is a remake of a game that came out 12 years ago that had a remaster 10 years ago and a remaster of TLoU2 I would have laughed in your face.
 
I like this guy.

I like how he takes risks, tries to go further than what the audience expects of him, and I especially liked how he was enamored with bloodborne. Knows true gutsy quality when he sees it.

But I love how he annoys so many people on the internet over twitter and this website as well. When I saw intergalactic at TGA, I knew it was going to lead to hilarious reactions.

If tlou 2 had actually been bad, there wouldn't be so much whining about it constantly. The focus on top notch gameplay is still there with an interesting plot rather than a boring joel and ellie continue surviving in the wasteland which apparently the gamers would have loved.

Intergalactic is going to live and die based on if it has the same level of gameplay, not on its bald MC. And its funny people say naughty dog games are 'talk and walk' when TLOU 2 is top notch gameplay, ahead of the entire industry I'd say.
 
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The hate speech he collates every day for his actors is taking up too much time, so something has to give.
 
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The problem with the show just emphasises the problems with the game(s).

TLOU - amazing, much loved game. TV show season 1 - mostly decent with one or two questionable decisions, including casting

TLOU Pt 2 - technically amazing game that was really divisive. TV show season 2 - mostly sucked

Personally, I don't see a season 3 which covers the second (Abby) half of TLOU pt 2 getting much of an audience.

Whilst I understood what Druckman was trying to do with TLOU pt2 I think it was a massive strategic error that basically kills TLOU's potential as a franchise (which is not necessarily a bad thing). There are stories that you can still tell in the TLOU "universe" but I don't think any of the obvious ones are compelling enough to take it forward as a franchise. Maybe the only viable way forward would be with a story revolving around a completely different group of people in another location.
 
nial said:
I'll give you it with Uncharted 4. The opening sequence is certainly memorable in some way, but it was shit to play. Lost Legacy > Uncharted 4, as always.
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I feel like each time I mention A Thief's End as an example of abysmal gameplay I rile up quite a number of feathers. But it was some of the worst AAA gameplay I have ever experienced. The amount of time I spent pushing the stick to the right while Nathan slowly climbed cliffs is time I'll never get gack. You'd think that a company which made the Crash games would appreciate great gameplay in their games.
 
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I completely disagree. The game had a an interesting story in part 1, which was completely ruined in part 2. The show sticking to the source material was a doom sentence.
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Well that's the fun part, they did not stick to the source material for Pt2's game. The horrid casting also made everything much worse.
 
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The show was so bad it's actually colored my opinion of the games. Makes me understand why some companies are overprotective of their brands. Feel like TLOU really took a hit from this existing.
 
DragoonKain said:
Well, the good news is season 3 is much easier to write. The bad news is Mazin just has no concept of the characters. The real challenge is going to be how they end it considering they took the end porch scene out of it already. I wonder if it even makes it to season 4, I think a lot of people are not going to tune in to a season about Abby and viewership will drop even more.
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Not sure if you watched it. Abby is the reason why someone would want to watch Season 3.
 
Unironically, the best episode of the second season was the one he directed. Can't get any worse than S2 now can it?

 
I got excited then because I thought it said Neil was stepping down from ND... 😔
 
sendit said:
Not sure if you watched it. Abby is the reason why someone would want to watch Season 3.
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I disagree. Not for the casual viewers and non gamers. They have no connection to Abby. I've already seen a lot of people like "Why would I tune in to a season about this character that I hate?" They just want more Ellie and Joel.

I think if they give it a chance they may come to like it, because Dever is a great actress and show Abby is a better character than show Ellie. But if they don't give it a chance in the first place they'll never find out. Interested to see what the season 3 premiere numbers end up being.
 
I know I'm assuming here, but, you took a show of a beloved franchise typically enjoyed by straight men and put HEAVY emphasis on woke themes. Personally, I think many people didn't like when they got to Ron Swanson last season and once Ellie said she was going to be a dad, it was over. It was one thing for Ellie to be Gay, it's something completely different when you throw gender politics into the mix. You lost any hope of keeping the audience.

I watched the whole first season, it wasn't bad. But this Second season, I didn't bother once i heard about the travesty it became..
 
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