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I guess it’s non of my business, but what confuses me about the SonGoku situation is did he just randomly PM someone the spoiler unsolicited, or did someone ask him about the story and he relied with a spoiler?

If someone had asked him about the story and got the spoiler PM reply from him, I assume it wouldn’t have been reported, since the other person first asked. If he just randomly PM’d someone a spoiler without reason then, I mean just being honest here, how is that not malicious? I’m just confused by the scenario.

Those are the only two possible ways I can see it played out, unless there is context to the exchange I am just unaware of.

Wanna clarify, I’m not advocating for the perm to be reinstated. Perm’s are bummers. I like SonGoku, glad he’s coming back. I’m just confused by this particular instance.
 
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It's funny how he thought he was untouchable the other day by going in my thread and flatout telling me to fuck off and insulting me for no good reason whatsoever.
I hope he enjoys his time on GameFAQs where he belongs.
To be fair, your OP does come off really buzzwordy and this is coming from someone who has been arguing that teraflops don't tell the whole story. That said, Birdo does get too console warrior-ish sometimes.
 

CatLady

Selfishly plays on Xbox Purr-ies X
I guess it’s non of my business, but what confuses me about the SonGoku situation is did he just randomly PM someone the spoiler unsolicited, or did someone ask him about the story and he relied with a spoiler?

If someone had asked him about the story and got the spoiler PM reply from him, I assume it wouldn’t have been reported, since the other person first asked. If he just randomly PM’d someone a spoiler without reason then, I mean just being honest here, how is that not malicious? I’m just confused by the scenario.

Those are the only two possible ways I can see it played out, unless there is context to the exchange I am just unaware of.

Wanna clarify, I’m not advocating for the perm to be reinstated. Perm’s are bummers. I like SonGoku, glad he’s coming back. I’m just confused by this particular instance.

I'm in the same boat as you. If someone requested he send them a spoiler privately I don't see why he should be banned for that. Conversely if he sent someone a spoiler unsolicited and was reported for it IMO he should most definitely be perm'd.

There is probably something in between these 2 scenarios that you and I haven't figured out, but dammit, I'm curious what it is :unsure:
 
I'm in the same boat as you. If someone requested he send them a spoiler privately I don't see why he should be banned for that. Conversely if he sent someone a spoiler unsolicited and was reported for it IMO he should most definitely be perm'd.

There is probably something in between these 2 scenarios that you and I haven't figured out, but dammit, I'm curious what it is :unsure:

Maybe he asked to see some pics that would not spoil the game just to see the visuals. And then Goku sent him some pics that the receiver considered spoilers and reported it.

It's hard to imagine something in the middle with this to be honest.
 
I requested for someone to send me the Lesbian Apocalypse Simulator spoilers but no one did. I'm not baiting, I just cbf sifting through the thread.
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This is what happens when some of you get too involved with console warring. If alot of you fellow"cheerleaders" would nip this shit in the bud early on and cut the childish team bullshit then alot of these bans wouldn't happen. The constant back and forth banter, bait threads, and drive by shit posts ensured this was coming. And that goes to everyone. This forum can do much better.
 
This is what happens when some of you get too involved with console warring. If alot of you fellow"cheerleaders" would nip this shit in the bud early on and cut the childish team bullshit then alot of these bans wouldn't happen. The constant back and forth banter, bait threads, and drive by shit posts ensured this was coming. And that goes to everyone. This forum can do much better.
It is. By banning console warriors.
 
Wow Birdo Birdo getting permed for sending spoilers.
Liked that guy.

Isn't a perm a bit harsh for that?
Or did I miss some previous ban history of his?

Regarding Birdos Perm: "Sorry, but self editing doesn't work as a get out of jail free card. Anyone with half a brain knows not to post recently leaked spoilers in a thread about another game. Perm upheld. "

Sounds like he tried to pull a fast one on the mods. Plus he was posting those spoilers outside the spoiler thread and in another thread that was about another game.

Seems justified to me and it's clearly explained in the thread about spoilers. Even before thread existed he was a member long enough to learn the rules here. And he apparently has a history of console warring.
 

Mista

Banned
Regarding Birdos Perm: "Sorry, but self editing doesn't work as a get out of jail free card. Anyone with half a brain knows not to post recently leaked spoilers in a thread about another game. Perm upheld. "

Sounds like he tried to pull a fast one on the mods. Plus he was posting those spoilers outside the spoiler thread and in another thread that was about another game.

Seems justified to me and it's clearly explained in the thread about spoilers. Even before thread existed he was a member long enough to learn the rules here. And he apparently has a history of console warring.
Whats the difference between what he did and what the others did? Exactly, nothing. They all spoiled the same thing in the same way..
 
Whats the difference between what he did and what the others did? Exactly, nothing. They all spoiled the same thing in the same way..

Windows-PC did the same thing on the threads and he got a perm. SonGoku case was different since the sent the spoilers with a PM. The mods probably determined from that PM that he probably wasn't trying to be malignant about it.

You can always contact the mods if you have issues with some of the bans. However it's pretty clear what the consequences are for releasing spoilers out of the spoiler thread.



EvilLore: "thelastword thelastword Re: SonGoku SonGoku 's ban, it doesn't look malicious. He marked his spoilers in the conversation, though not very well. I'll reduce it to a temp."
 
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Fake

Gold Member
Whats the difference between what he did and what the others did? Exactly, nothing. They all spoiled the same thing in the same way..

There is a difference between making on purpose or making by mistake. You never posted in other thread by mistake and than edited 'sry, wrong thread'?
 
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Seems justified to me and it's clearly explained in the thread about spoilers. Even before thread existed he was a member long enough to learn the rules here. And he apparently has a history of console warring.
Had a lot of good and funny stuff posted, as well, though.
Personally I don't care that much about spoilers, so it's hard for me to understand the uproar here and why Birdo was instapermed for this.

But if those are the rules, then these are the rules.
 

Mista

Banned
Windows-PC did the same thing on the threads and he got a perm. SonGoku case was different since the sent the spoilers with a PM. The mods probably determined from that PM that he probably wasn't trying to be malignant about it.

You can always contact the mods if you have issues with some of the bans. However it's pretty clear what the consequences are for releasing spoilers out of the spoiler thread.

There is a difference between making on porpuse or making by mistake. You never posted in other thread by mistake and than edited 'sry, wrong thread'?
Oh I love rubbish justification. Sorry to break it down for you, It is the same action at the end no matter which way it was done.

Edit: I don’t care about the bans btw.
 
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There is a difference between making on porpuse or making by mistake. You never posted in other thread by mistake and than edited 'sry, wrong thread'?

He posted TLOU2 spoiler in the CP77 thread as a “joke,” in his words, then edited after someone else told him there is a perm warning for doing that.

Again, I’m not saying he should be perm’d, just providing the context as I saw that go down myself (was reading the thread as he posted and as he edited)

I agree that Birdo posted a lot of funny stuff. I liked a lot of his posts
 
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Fake

Gold Member
Oh I love rubbish justification. Sorry to break it down for you, It is the same action at the end no matter which way it was done.
I explain to you the difference between, with CAN change the permaban to temporary ban. Neither me or you for jugde, only staff.
He posted the spoiler in the CP77 thread as a “joke,” in his words, then edited after someone else told him there is a perm warning for doing that.

Again, I’m not saying he should be perm’d, just providing the context as I saw that go down myself (was reading the thread as he posted and as he edited)
Read my post. Not saying who must get perma, but the staff already change some bans to temp based on that.
 
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Oh I love rubbish justification. Sorry to break it down for you, It is the same action at the end no matter which way it was done.

Edit: I don’t care about the bans btw.

You haven't seen SonGokus PM though but EviLore EviLore made his judgement based of it.

Maybe he you should ask him for clarification?
 
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Whitesnake

Banned
I would like to be able to see the comments as they were before they were edited/deleted, i.e. Birdo’s comment pre-edit or the comment that got Dontero banned, or the PM SonGoku sent.

Not because I want to scrutinize the mods’ reasoning, but because I’m genuinely curious as to what they said.
 
I explain to you the difference between, with CAN change the permaban to temporary ban. Neither me or you for jugde, only staff.

Read my post. Not saying who must get perma, but the staff already change some bans to temp based on that.

I read your post. Relax

You said he posted by mistake. He didn’t. He posted the spoiler on purpose, as I just explained
 
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Fake

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You don’t post “by mistake” in an irrelevant thread :messenger_tears_of_joy:

How so? I've been having a nice discussion on spoiler thread, but when I enter into a conversation using my phone sometimes I made mistakes with the thread. I guess that why mods are editing the thread titles with 'THIS IS NOT A SPOILER THREAD'?

I admit I paid more attention this time (about miss click thread) because I don't want to spoiler for people who don't want spoiler, but I already made mistakes posting in wrong thread. Happen more offen than you could imagine. BTW I not saying the people who get permaban made this mistake, but are some permaban getting converted?
Only staff could light this up. Maybe, context?

edit: Just a little reminder, english is not my main language if someone is getting a hard time trying to understand my point.
 
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CatLady

Selfishly plays on Xbox Purr-ies X
He posted TLOU2 spoiler in the CP77 thread as a “joke,” in his words, then edited after someone else told him there is a perm warning for doing that.

Again, I’m not saying he should be perm’d, just providing the context as I saw that go down myself (was reading the thread as he posted and as he edited)

I agree that Birdo posted a lot of funny stuff. I liked a lot of his posts

I saw that too, it looked like a screwup/mistake to me and he immediately edited when it was brought to his attention by another member. But as someone else said it's not for us to judge or moderate. I am sorry he's not still with us.

Edit for clarification: I don't think he accidentally posted, I think he didn't realize the ramifications of what he posted. There were tons of spoilers all over the internet and in the leak thread posted here and I'm not sure he realized it was an automatic perma-ban. I didn't know that either until people started getting banned.
 
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I guess it is just one of those things that people have different perspectives on. Not worth spinning my wheels in the mud over all day.

Again, I don't celebrate perma's. Bummer that Birdo is gone. Maybe he will get another chance to come back, I hope so, he made me laugh a lot.

But I appreciate the spoiler policy, people shouldn't be afraid of browsing Gaming GAF. That shit wasn't cool, imo. I don't know why anyone thought that was gonna go over well, especially considering how many people are excited for TLOU2 specifically
 
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Mista

Banned
How so? I've been having a nice discussion on spoiler thread, but when I enter into a conversation using my phone sometimes I made mistakes with the thread. I guess that why mods are editing the thread titles with 'THIS IS NOT A SPOILER THREAD'?

I admit I paid more attention this time (about miss click thread) because I don't want to spoiler for people who don't want spoiler, but I already made mistakes posting in wrong thread. Happen more offen than you could imagine. BTW I not saying the people who get permaban made this mistake, but are some permaban getting converted?
Only staff could light this up. Maybe, context?

edit: Just a little reminder, english is not my main language if someone is getting a hard time trying to understand my point.
Okay, even if it was “by mistake”, you don’t edit your post 9 minutes later.

Don’t worry, I’m understanding you well.
 
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Wow, Birdo was banned? That's such a shame as I liked his posts and he's a fellow Brit. :(

I think he should of had a warning for it at the very least and a Temporary Ban at most because some Console Warring Posters have more chances for doing it on purpose.

I understand if he did it on purpose then tried to delete the edits, but I think telling him that he only gets one warning over it should have been enough to stop him.

Sad to see him go, but that is how it works.
 
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Has anyone spoke to Birdo before he was banned?

He changed his character/posting habit before the spoiler freak-out.

I just want to make sure he's not copped a ban because of a temporary mental wobble because something happened in his personal life

My two pence

I did see that post of his about week ago where he said something like "I am tired of the gimmick accounts, the warring, all of this" or something like that. I think he took a couple day break after that so I assumed he was feeling better.
 

CatLady

Selfishly plays on Xbox Purr-ies X
I did see that post of his about week ago where he said something like "I am tired of the gimmick accounts, the warring, all of this" or something like that. I think he took a couple day break after that so I assumed he was feeling better.

I saw that comment from him. I don't know maybe he's not too broken up about getting banned. Who knows, maybe he account suicided, though I doubt he would have bothered to edit his post when it was brought to his attention if that were true. Whatever the the case, I still would rather he get a temp ban or take a temp vacation from the forum rather than be banned forever. I want his humor and memes dammit :messenger_beaming:
 
Hey all


In the interest of community relations, continuity, and acknowledging the sticky didnt exist we have also reduced Birdo Birdo to 1 month as well. I will PM the account but if people speak to them outside the forum please pass it on.

Please leave that staff topic on spoilers permanently. It would really help new users to this place because we don't want them to be banned just because they didn't know the rule.
 

CatLady

Selfishly plays on Xbox Purr-ies X
Hey all


In the interest of community relations, continuity, and acknowledging the sticky didnt exist we have also reduced Birdo Birdo to 1 month as well. I will PM the account but if people speak to them outside the forum please pass it on.

OMG - You're awesome! Thank you for being so fair, kind & considerate.

And I 2nd what MasterCornholio MasterCornholio said, please leave the excellent staff post you made regarding spoilers up permanently.
 

EviLore

Expansive Ellipses
Staff Member
Let's welcome back Amish Prince Amish Prince , unjustly permed back in 2016 for a few benign words clarifying the truth about the_donald:



Ok first and foremost Palmer did not fund and was not in anyway involved with the_donald.
Secondly this dude Palmer, along with two mods, tried to scam the_donald into donating money.
Third, everyone in the community called out the shit for what it was and got those mods BANNED within 12 hours of that so called "AMA"
also The_donald is not a white supremacist group holy shit these articles are full of enough shit to fill a stadium.
 
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