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NeoGAF Ban Review/Justice Project

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MetalAlien

MetalAlien

Banned
Bstamp said:
I mean, it might be easy to surmise that since everyone who was banned was white, but that would be a logically unsound conclusion to make. I'm not defending his stealth bans, but my understanding is that those who were included in his sweeping expulsion of users were people who had a history of bad faith argumentation, dog whistling, and diet racism. The fact they all happened to be white doesn't mean that his stealth bans were racially motivated.
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Bstamp

Bstamp

Banned
EviLore said:
You're welcome to look at my notes on some of the stealth bans of his I reviewed at the beginning of this thread.
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So, I went through your list, read the notes, looked at the posts - contextualizing them with respect to the topic of Trump, the implications of his victory, and what it meant for people like bish - and can't see why there was a problem with the bans. It's very clear, if you step back and critically examine the posts and their intent, that the people he banned were not arguing in good faith. I haven't gone through them all, but with the exception of the rare ban for console warring, his actions seem merited. You overturned them, which is well within your right as owner of the site, but I don't think that his actions were an impulsive and unwarranted response to Trump's win. When you're a minority and someone who's subject to microaggressions on a near daily basis, it is not difficult to develop a keen ability to detect arguments that aren't made with sincerity. Almost all of the bans I reviewed, after visiting threads in which they were made, were levied on people who passive aggressively taunted members of the community who were justly distressed by the outcome of the election. I mean, if you want to have a community where either open or tacit supporters of a known racist and aspiring fascist are welcome, cool. It certainly makes for lively debate and removes any chance of the forum becoming an echo chamber, assuming those who disagree with them aren't turned away by the tolerance of those views - as some clearly were. In bish's defense, I think he saw bad faith actors taking advantage of Trump's win and exercised his authority as a mod to put a kibosh on it. Obviously, from your notes, you feel differently.
 
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EviLore

EviLore

Expansive Ellipses
Staff Member
Bstamp said:
In bish's defense, I think he saw bad faith actors taking advantage of Trump's win and exercised his authority as a mod to put a kibosh on it. Obviously, from your notes, you feel differently.
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He abused his power and never recorded these particular bans, knowing that they were unacceptable. Most of the unrecorded bans gave no reason or a few snarky words to the person on the other end. When you can justify your actions to the rest of the team, and me, and the person you're taking action against, you do so. For these bans, he couldn't, because he knew he was in the wrong and abusing his authority.

While I was investigating what was going on, and asking the mod team about the mysterious ciricumstances, he played dumb, all the way until he was caught.

This isn't a matter of feeling one way or another.
 
Papa

Papa

Banned
Bstamp said:
So, I went through your list, read the notes, looked at the posts - contextualizing them with respect to the topic of Trump, the implications of his victory, and what it meant for people like bish - and can't see why there was a problem with the bans. It's very clear, if you step back and critically examine the posts and their intent, that the people he banned were not arguing in good faith. I haven't gone through them all, but with the exception of the rare ban for console warring, his actions seem merited. You overturned them, which is well within your right as owner of the site, but I don't think that his actions were an impulsive and unwarranted response to Trump's win. When you're a minority and someone who's subject to microaggressions on a near daily basis, it is not difficult to develop a keen ability to detect arguments that aren't made with sincerity. Almost all of the bans I reviewed, after visiting threads in which they were made, were levied on people who passive aggressively taunted members of the community who were justly distressed by the outcome of the election. I mean, if you want to have a community where either open or tacit supporters of a known racist and aspiring fascist are welcome, cool. It certainly makes for lively debate and removes any chance of the forum becoming an echo chamber, assuming those who disagree with them aren't turned away by the tolerance of those views - as some clearly were. In bish's defense, I think he saw bad faith actors taking advantage of Trump's win and exercised his authority as a mod to put a kibosh on it. Obviously, from your notes, you feel differently.
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"with respect to the topic of Trump, the implications of his victory, and what it meant for people like bish"

bish is Canadian you dropkick
 
Bstamp

Bstamp

Banned
matt404au said:
"with respect to the topic of Trump, the implications of his victory, and what it meant for people like bish"

bish is Canadian you dropkick
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And Trump is a white supremacist who was elected President of the most powerful country on the planet, an office with all manner of influence that would impact the lives of him and every other person of color. Look at Canada right now, where on the heels of Trump's win, you have gains being made by white supremacists and the possibility of one being elected in the upcoming election. To act as if Trump's win hasn't set a template that emboldened copycats can follow is to be naive or worse.
 
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DeepEnigma

DeepEnigma

Gold Member
Bstamp said:
And Trump is a white supremacist who was elected President of the most powerful country on the planet, an office with all manner of influence that would impact the lives of him and every other person of color. Look at Canada right now, where on the heels of Trump's win, you have gains being made by white supremacists and the possibility of one being elected in the upcoming election. To act as if Trump's win hasn't set a template that emboldened copycats can follow is to be naive or worse.
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It’s cute. Can we keep it?
 
Scopa

Scopa

The Tribe Has Spoken
Bstamp said:
And Trump is a white supremacist who was elected President of the most powerful country on the planet, an office with all manner of influence that would impact the lives of him and every other person of color. Look at Canada right now, where on the heels of Trump's win, you have gains being made by white supremacists and the possibility of one being elected in the upcoming election. To act as if Trump's win hasn't set a template that emboldened copycats can follow is to be naive or worse.
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You are putting way too much time and effort into this trolling thing and failing. A good troll is subtle about it. Where’d you come from? Kiwi Farms?

You need to go to troll school.
 
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slugbahr

Unconfirmed Member
Bstamp said:
So, I went through your list, read the notes, looked at the posts - contextualizing them with respect to the topic of Trump, the implications of his victory, and what it meant for people like bish - and can't see why there was a problem with the bans. It's very clear, if you step back and critically examine the posts and their intent, that the people he banned were not arguing in good faith. I haven't gone through them all, but with the exception of the rare ban for console warring, his actions seem merited. You overturned them, which is well within your right as owner of the site, but I don't think that his actions were an impulsive and unwarranted response to Trump's win. When you're a minority and someone who's subject to microaggressions on a near daily basis, it is not difficult to develop a keen ability to detect arguments that aren't made with sincerity. Almost all of the bans I reviewed, after visiting threads in which they were made, were levied on people who passive aggressively taunted members of the community who were justly distressed by the outcome of the election. I mean, if you want to have a community where either open or tacit supporters of a known racist and aspiring fascist are welcome, cool. It certainly makes for lively debate and removes any chance of the forum becoming an echo chamber, assuming those who disagree with them aren't turned away by the tolerance of those views - as some clearly were. In bish's defense, I think he saw bad faith actors taking advantage of Trump's win and exercised his authority as a mod to put a kibosh on it. Obviously, from your notes, you feel differently.
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CrankyJay™

CrankyJay™

Member
Bstamp said:
When you're a minority and someone who's subject to microaggressions on a near daily basis, it is not difficult to develop a keen ability to detect arguments that aren't made with sincerity.
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I know this dude is banned, but apparently when you're a minority in the Trump timeline, you have the ability of mind-reading and bullshit detection through the Internet. If anything, I think this "ability" is a paranoia or unwillingness to engage in discussion when clearly you're not in the mood to talk about these things without 100% agreement to your side. This is how echo-chambers happen. This is how discussion is stifled. If you as a discussion board member aren't willing to put up with the conversation any longer because you feel you've seen every permutation of it, then don't participate and stop shutting down discussion for others.
 
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LegendOfKage

LegendOfKage

Member
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I know this dude is banned, but apparently when you're a minority in the Trump timeline, you have the ability of mind-reading and bullshit detection through the Internet. If anything, I think this "ability" is a paranoia or unwillingness to engage in discussion when clearly you're not in the mood to talk about these things without 100% agreement to your side. This is how echo-chambers happen. This is how discussion is stifled. If you as a discussion board member aren't willing to put up with the conversation any longer because you feel you've seen every permutation of it, then don't participate and stop shutting down discussion for others.
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Bstamp said:
the people he banned were not arguing in good faith.
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Bstamp said:
Trump is a white supremacist who was elected President of the most powerful country on the planet
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I just wanted to ask two questions: "What is your definition of not arguing in good faith" and "When Trump said 'I'm not talking about the Neo Nazi's and the white nationalists. Those people should be condemned, totally,' why do you think he said those things?
 
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