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NeoGAF Ban Review/Justice Project

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Fake

Gold Member
I might be missing the point but what’s ban worthy in this post :/?

I guess is astroturfing.
 

Rentahamster

Rodent Whores
I might be missing the point but what’s ban worthy in this post :/?

Looks like he's just making shit up based on Google Translate, of all things.
 
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hariseldon

Unconfirmed Member
I am entirely sure that your comment is not made in honesty, therefore I will not further engage with it.

That quote and your entire post history to contain equal amounts of honesty.
 

Yoshi

Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
That quote and your entire post history to contain equal amounts of honesty.
You know, if you feel that every posting I make is dishonest, there is the ignore button in my profile at service (and if you think this is also dishonest, you can easily check it by yourself).
 
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hariseldon

Unconfirmed Member
You know, if you feel that every posting I make is dishonest, there is the ignore button in my profile at service (and if you think this is also dishonest, you can easily check it by yourself).
I don’t reach for the ignore button to create an echo chamber.
 
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hariseldon

Unconfirmed Member
If you disregard other people's opinion wholesale how does that have a different effect from an echo chamber?
I like to keep you around as a pet and to remind myself how annoying I used to be. I await a post from a place of honesty and when it comes I will praise it.
 

Yoshi

Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
Galaxy brain shit right here.
Disrefading a single posting vs dosregarding all postings. Just because I think a single posting of a poster is unlikely to be honest does not mean I think that for everything that poster posts, so ignoring the poster does not make much sense because of a single posting. I am flattered that you think this thought process requires a galaxy brain, but unfortunately, I need to say that a non-pea brain suffices to differentiate between "there exists a posting that is dishonest" and "all postings are dishonest".
 

Whitesnake

Banned
Disrefading a single posting vs dosregarding all postings. Just because I think a single posting of a poster is unlikely to be honest does not mean I think that for everything that poster posts, so ignoring the poster does not make much sense because of a single posting. I am flattered that you think this thought process requires a galaxy brain, but unfortunately, I need to say that a non-pea brain suffices to differentiate between "there exists a posting that is dishonest" and "all postings are dishonest".

If you engage in arguments with people and then disengage the moment they ask tough questions while you hide behind “they were dishonest/not in good faith/etc”, then you don’t really have a leg to stand in when talking about other people disregarding opinions.

An echo chamber is about blocking out certain ideas. You may not have blocked that person, but to openly disregard their post wholesale because it asked you tough questions creates an echo chamber, not based on blocking people you do not like, but based on turning tail from ideas you do not like.

The echo chamber is your own mind.
 

Yoshi

Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
If you engage in arguments with people and then disengage the moment they ask tough questions while you hide behind “they were dishonest/not in good faith/etc”, then you don’t really have a leg to stand in when talking about other people disregarding opinions.

An echo chamber is about blocking out certain ideas. You may not have blocked that person, but to openly disregard their post wholesale because it asked you tough questions creates an echo chamber, not based on blocking people you do not like, but based on turning tail from ideas you do not like.

The echo chamber is your own mind.
It is not a tough question, it is a question that I have already implicitly answered before, and since the "transwomen are women" is not exactly a novel idea, especially in the context of this forum, it surely is not a case of him truly not knowing that stance. Therefore, I am pretty certain he is deliberately playing dumb. Which is dishonest. If this is your idea of a hard question, I better don't ask you any question...
 

Whitesnake

Banned
It is not a tough question, it is a question that I have already implicitly answered before, and since the "transwomen are women" is not exactly a novel idea, especially in the context of this forum, it surely is not a case of him truly not knowing that stance. Therefore, I am pretty certain he is deliberately playing dumb. Which is dishonest. If this is your idea of a hard question, I better don't ask you any question...

If it’s a question that’s easy to answer, and one that you’ve indirectly answered before, then why not answer it? Why not quote your previous answer, or paraphrase it? Why go out of your way to not only refuse to address the argument, but to also openly tell everyone “I don’t want to address this argument”?

You seem to be under the belief that answering a question and accusing someone of being dishonest are mutually exclusive. They aren’t. In fact, by openly forfeiting arguments you make yourself look unconfident in your own beliefs, which in turn makes your opposition look better by comparison, because they stood by their beliefs and ideas until you backed down. You wanted to call that person’s credibility into question, but you have instead caused people to question your credibility.
 
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Barsinister

Banned
Disrefading a single posting vs dosregarding all postings. Just because I think a single posting of a poster is unlikely to be honest does not mean I think that for everything that poster posts, so ignoring the poster does not make much sense because of a single posting. I am flattered that you think this thought process requires a galaxy brain, but unfortunately, I need to say that a non-pea brain suffices to differentiate between "there exists a posting that is dishonest" and "all postings are dishonest".

This is my new favorite paragraph.
 

Yoshi

Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
If it’s a question that’s easy to answer, and one that you’ve indirectly answered before, then why not answer it? Why not quote your previous answer, or paraphrase it? Why go out of your way to not only refuse to address the argument, but to also openly tell everyone “I don’t want to address this argument”?

You seem to be under the belief that answering a question and accusing someone of being dishonest are mutually exclusive. They aren’t. In fact, by openly forfeiting arguments you make yourself look unconfident in your own beliefs, which in turn makes your opposition look better by comparison, because they stood by their beliefs and ideas until you backed down. You wanted to call that person’s credibility into question, but you have instead caused people to question your credibility.
I can do that but if the person asking the question is not actually interested in an answer and even quotes a posting from which the person can easily determine the answer, that is a waste of time.
 

Barsinister

Banned
Yet it hasn't garnered a like or a comic from you, see what that does to your credibility :(.

You do not rush great art, sir. Inspiration is fleeting and often ignored.


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I'm not sure what made The mod or the mods decided to panic over some long-time users having their feelings hurt (AS I RECALL) despite banning users before in politics for reporting on people hurting their feelings with ban messages similar to "Wahh wahh" or "Whine somewhere else" and not just in the politics section. I take it that a couple regular users who got their feelings hurt and talked about "strong words" may have escalated the issue. I don't get why the forum moderation suddenly did a 180 randomly for only 1-day. Then I get a warning for me to accept which was overwritten by a ban within a few minutes, all which is out of character for Neogaf.

All of a sudden at one specific time what we were promised about forum moderation was thrown out the window for no real reason I can find, and then I was given the false charge of prejudiced with no explanation of what the prejudice was initially, yet there's supposed to be transparency. All

If you look at what I was responding, and who I am responding to, and look at the whole post(s), I never gave any implication that being gay itself was a Lifestyle choice if you look at the conversation. My actual argument was many of the activities and so on engaged by gay people are clearly choices, that's not a controversial statement, that's not prejudice, that's fact. Everything else was spin. Everything example I described in that conversation where choices.

If the mod would like to PM me explaining the action I would like that because this all seems completely confusing..

One thing to keep in mind, notice how nobody talked about this particular issue except the user who I was responding, to who was already ignoring most of the posts I was responding with anyway. It wasn't until AFTER some people started taking one specific sentence out of context in a vacuum that all of a sudden the conversation turned into "oh he said this" when I never made the statement as they presented it.

I also would like to point out there are actually many actual prejuduced posts on the political forum, real ones, many of which were complained about by other users, many laughed off by Evilore and other mods for various reasons some of which I mentioned above, but for some weird reason, and I think I have an idea why but I don't want to make assumptions, I was singled out in a thread out of nowhere in a completely out of character ban for this forum, on a topic were me and other members have never shifted the tone on in many other threads. Did the policy randomly change? What happened?

I also don't understand how after my banning dogpiling was allowed, which it used to not be.

The irony about some of this is some users basically continued where I left off, and some opposed to my position basically proved my point incidentally in one of the two threads in question.

I also don't see a reason to give a warning that already blocks me from doing anything, and then deciding minutes later to change it to a ban instead of letting me accept the warning and then PMing me about what the mod thought the issue was, because that would be transparent, and everything would have been explained.

Now I'm not trying to attack anyone here, nor am I calling out any members or mods, just pointing out some flaws I believe I'm seeing and only posting some concerns. Anyway now that that's out the way I'll be moving on from this ban after this post.

Yoooo! Afro got banned for what :(?

That's a good question.

Need a reason?

That's mature.

Bunch of polls and low quality threads.
He even lost the right to make polls if I remember.
Anw, I guess there is a link in the ban page saying why.

So you make up a reason that never existed at any point misleading people, and the mods did nothing?

Also again, this is nothing more than a Resetera tactic. Why would you even do this?

He said homosexuality is a lifestyle choice

Inaccurate, out of context sentence.

He may not have meant it, because he has a hard time expressing himself,

When a person isn't here to defend themselves you make stuff up AV?
 
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Whitesnake

Banned
If you look at what I was responding, and who I am responding to, and look at the whole post(s), I never gave any implication that being gay itself was a Lifestyle choice if you look at the conversation.

Did you not think it pertinent to clarify that position when saying this:

Oh wait, no they didn't, so yes it's a lifestyle.

You are ignorant when you say being gay isn't a lifestyle.
If being gay was tim and john having sex in some basement behind closed doors and no one else knows and they act normal then no one would care about gay people because then there literally wouldn't be anything to go after because the claim of "no harm": would actually be true. The reason why this is an issue is because it's a lifestyle and the lifestyle is being pushed on people. All of which are actions that were made by choice.

You can see how someone can get the impression that you’re saying being gay is a lifestyle when you say multiple times that being gay is a lifestyle, right?

Like, I don’t entirely agree with your ban, but to say “I never gave any impression” is to divorce yourself from reality.
 
Did you not think it pertinent to clarify that position when saying this:



You can see how someone can get the impression that you’re saying being gay is a lifestyle when you say multiple times that being gay is a lifestyle, right?

Like, I don’t entirely agree with your ban, but to say “I never gave any impression” is to divorce yourself from reality.
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No because the words before the ones you bolded are clearly connected to something, it's almost like you cut off the context. Oh wait you did. If you read the conversation instead of nitpicking posts you would see there was no need to clarify. This is not really a disputable issue honestly. Even you who posted a bigger quote than others still rely on a context cut to make up a point that never existed.

Anyway I already made my point in the above post. I have no interest in dragging this out, what was done was done. Moving on.
 

AV

We ain't outta here in ten minutes, we won't need no rocket to fly through space
When a person isn't here to defend themselves you make stuff up AV?

You're here right now replying to it, it's not hidden, and I'm not making it up, it's an opinion. I think you do a shit job of expressing yourself at times. I don't know if this was one of those times or if you genuinely believe that being attracted to the same sex is a lifestyle.
 

Whitesnake

Banned
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No because the words before the ones you bolded are clearly connected to something, it's almost like you cut off the context. Oh wait you did. If you read the conversation instead of nitpicking posts you would see there was no need to clarify. This is not really a disputable issue honestly. Even you who posted a bigger quote than others still rely on a context cut to make up a point that never existed.

Anyway I already made my point in the above post. I have no interest in dragging this out, what was done was done. Moving on.

The paragraph I cut was this:

Sure, someone made you mess up your voice to sound like an inflated mickey mouse, someone made you decided to have weird fetish marches, and someone made you take a big one up the rectum (which damages it instantly), and someone made you drag another man infront of a restaurant and grope them.

Wherein you make it sound as if these things are intrinsic to being gay. I think I might understand what you’re saying, that these are all traits some gay people take up to be trendy and because they can get away with it in the current social climate, but you’re very very bad at expressing that sentiment. Saying “being gay is a lifestyle” doesn’t help your argument, especially since you’re now pretending you never said that.

I cut that bit out for your benefit, because it makes you and your argument look worse and I was hoping you were leading towards some sort of clarification that would make sense and would redeem you in the eyes of onlookers.

Alas,
 

AV

We ain't outta here in ten minutes, we won't need no rocket to fly through space
So I guess you just ignored all the above posts huh? Shock.

No, I read your denial of the events. Amounted to nothing. It doesn't matter if you think you wrote something else, you literally wrote the words "You are ignorant when you say being gay isn't a lifestyle." What you should have written is "You are ignorant when you say there aren't key lifestyle choices shared by many gay people", or something like that.

You caught a ban because you didn't articulate well and what you wrote came across in totally the wrong way. GAF users aren't mind readers. Stop throwing your toys out of the pram and move on.
 
The paragraph I cut was this:

All you did was remove conversational context, conflate statements, and try to come up with another false assumption putting words in my mouth that was never said while also contradicting your last post. The bottom line is you're wrong, and I will be moving on from this issue. Only Thing I ask is for people to be a bit less jumpy to assume things, especially when they don't ave all the information to make that assumption. That's the only reason why this miscommunication or such even happened.

Now then it's over and done with.
 
No, I read your denial of the events.

No only you are denying the real events, you don't take pieces out of conversations without context while also making things up like you did earlier in this thread. When you cut shit out of a conversation you can make it seem like it's anything for example, I could say you made this post:

making it up, it's an opinion

I could say no, it's not an opinion to make things up, but that isn't what you said. However, using your flawed logic this is what you said. That's not how this works, sorry, but if you followed the conversation it was already long clear what I was talking about by that point, that doesn't erase because you want to try to throw someone down. Also you are quite known for these type of flawed arguments.

So trying again, stop. I have no interest in discussing this with you further. You are not correct and you can't convince me otherwise with out of context quotes and the SEPARATE issue of your previous reply before I came back, where you literally just made up something that never actually happened, same with Fake who just made up the ban charge.

Now then time to move on, what happened happened.
 

AV

We ain't outta here in ten minutes, we won't need no rocket to fly through space
No only you are denying the real events, you don't take pieces out of conversations without context while also making things up like you did earlier in this thread. When you cut shit out of a conversation you can make it seem like it's anything

I can copy in the entire thread if it'll make it easier for you, and just highlight the relevant parts, but most people don't have such a hard time with it. It's not hard to figure out the context, but no-one's putting words in your mouth. You wrote them. You've got a stick wedged so far up your ass when it comes to gay and trans issues that you get all flustered and have a hard time expressing what you really mean when it comes down to the wire. That happened, and you got banned for it. It's not an opinion.

Also you are quite known for these type of flawed arguments.

Lol by who? Where? Post evidence or fuck off, you're a walking Daily Mail headline. Stop trying to have the last snarky word and then declare the conversation over. Whitesnake is telling you the exact same thing, you were banned, and you're still burying your head in the sand and crying that this was injust.

Can a mod please rename him Afro Democrat? That's what you sound like right now.
 

EviLore

Expansive Ellipses
Staff Member
Sexual orientation derives from a combination of genetic and environmental factors. Twin studies confirm this. It’s okay to take exception with homosexuality on religious grounds if that’s your belief, but we ask that you maintain a baseline of tact and not attack people on the basis of their sexual orientation or make explicitly hateful comments.

We received several reports from concerned users who are typically not quick to hit the report button at all, Afro, and the mods took appropriate action.

Dial it back.
 
Sexual orientation derives from a combination of genetic and environmental factors. Twin studies confirm this.

What does any of that have to do with the conversation that took place? That's a completely different subject from what was being argued.

We received several reports from concerned users who are typically not quick to hit the report button at all, Afro, and the mods took appropriate action.

See this is what I thought happened but I didn't want to rush to assumptions, thank you.
 

EviLore

Expansive Ellipses
Staff Member
What does any of that have to do with the conversation that took place? That's a completely different subject from what was being argued.

It's relevant to the comments you made about homosexuality being a lifestyle choice with the series of behaviors you cited.
 

Whitesnake

Banned
All you did was remove conversational context, conflate statements, and try to come up with another false assumption putting words in my mouth that was never said while also contradicting your last post. The bottom line is you're wrong, and I will be moving on from this issue. Only Thing I ask is for people to be a bit less jumpy to assume things, especially when they don't ave all the information to make that assumption. That's the only reason why this miscommunication or such even happened.

Now then it's over and done with.

Wow you really did only read the first sentence, huh
 
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