NeoGAF Fantasy Football Paypal League (Season 3)

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Crazymoogle said:
Is this Yahoo standard or ESPN standard? You've got:

QB: Schaub/Orton (a good compromise)
WR: Nicks/Austin/Floyd/Braylon/Mason/Moore (Two good receivers and some gambles)
RB: Turner/Hightower/Jackson/TJ/Brown (One great RB, a couple of job-at-risk borderline RB2s, and filler)

So your big problem is RB. You have backups, but not lottery tickets. Neither guy is as likely to become a starter as a lot of the other tickets on guys with injury histories or recent shaky performances. On WR, I'd argue Floyd and Braylon are about equally as likely to do anything, although you'll probably end up frustrated with both. I'd also argue you picked defense way too early considering the rank, but if you like em, stick with it. (Nonetheless, HT and Jackson that late is not too shabby.)

My advice is pretty simple: be ready to cut loose Mason, Moore, Brown, and Jones the instant anything interesting comes along. In a 12 teamer, these guys are probably going to top out as waiver players. (Moore has upside, but he's WR3. On the Raiders.) The most upside I see of those guys is Brown, and that's only if McCoy is KOed early in the season.

Thanks for the tips. It's a Yahoo standard league. Yeah, Hightower was arguably BPA for RBs by the time I picked him. Would've picked a better guy if Finley wasn't available the previous round. Not in love with most of my bench so I'll be on the wire a lot most likely.
 
The Frankman said:
No Quitters 3

My plan was to get great RB value in the later rounds, but I was seeming poached of SO MANY RBs it's amazing. If I could've had Bradshaw/Jones, I would've been so happy. now I'm going to have to fight/scratch on the waiver wire and pray I don't have an injury to Vick early. I'm happy with the WR value I have, even if Lloyd is not an elite WR he'll still be ok w/ Orton there and the Falcons invested too much not to push Juilo Jones.

Not good Frank, sorry.

The obvious mistake was taking Vick (or any QB really) in the first round. That pretty much kills the bulk of the team that you're trying to build in the money rounds. You're left hoping that someone will fall to you on the way back in the second.

Attempting to get RB value in the later rounds, is quite frankly, a bad plan. It's the thinnest position by a fair margin and should be the focus in the first two or even three rounds.

For starters, Felix Jones is not a #1 RB. He has eight career starts in three NFL seasons and has never been a fulltime starter at any meaningful level. In a 16 team league, I like him as a decent #2 with a bit more value than someone like Shonn Greene because he will get a fair amount of catches.

Furthermore, LT is a #2 on his own teams depth chart. To take him with the expectation of being a fulltime starter for you is ill-advised. All signs are pointing to Greene taking the bulk of the carries this year.

You also reached at TE. Gates is wonderful, and barring injury, should have another phenomenal year that lands him in the Pro Bowl. Unfortunately, the third round is waaaaaay to soon to take any TE. Tight End is the deepest position in fantasy. More and more coordinators are designing schemes that factor them into the passing game and more kids are being drafted into the league as potential playmakers. It's possible that you could get comparable out put from a TE taken in the 10th round that you could from one of the top five guys this year.

As far as your WRs, well.......in his eight year career, 2010' was Lloyd's first 1,000 yard season. With Josh McDaniels now gone, Lloyd is going to struggle to get even close to the numbers that he put up last year.

Harvin is solid as a #2 and Julio's output is a complete guessing game right now. He could be the standout of your draft, but I wouldn't go into the season depending on that or with expectations that he's going to score 7-10 points on a weekly basis.

Using rounds 8 and 12 on a defense and a kicker is head scratching to me.

I think you're going to have a very difficult time making the post season with that squad.
 
mr2xxx said:
16 Team- No Quitters
Ku Klux Klams

I liked my draft except that I autopicked Reggie Wayne in the 3rd. Not bad value but I would of went for Bradshaw in a heartbeat. Luckily Beanie fell in the 4th and should make a decent #2. Marshall and McGahee are solid flex plays, both have potential. QBs got drafted early and I was hesitant to pick one early and ended up with Bradeford which I I'm not a big fan but McDaniels turned Orton in a fantasy starter so there is potential there. Fitzpatrick had a great year and should be solid as a backup.

It was strange drafting with so many people, the biggest I had done before was 12. You definitely need to jump on someone early instead of hoping they come back to you. Most had a good a draft and there is no clear cut favorite. Thursday can't come soon enough.
Yeah, that Reggie Wayne pick could turn out to be a pebble in your shoe, especially early in the season. Overall though it looks like a decent team. Bradford ought to have a step up from last season, so even if he's not in the upper echelon he should be a serviceable starter. The running backs will need to shoulder the load. It doesn't strike me as a team with a lot of "oh wow" top-notch players on it, but I suppose in a league of 16, that's not likely to come by. My league is only 10 so everybody seems stacked by comparison.

I still haven't pulled the trigger on that Vick/Peterson/Maclin for Rodgers/Mendenhall/VJax deal yet...but I'm certainly leaning close to it. The whole thing feels like a crapshoot as to who will have the biggest year that I kind of wonder if it'll make any difference at all what I go with here. Either way it's my luck to be more likely tested, not my fantasy football acumen. :P
 
In the NeoGAF auction league, this is my team so far:

Big Ben
Jamaal Charles
Matt Forte
Greg Jennings
Stevie Johnson
Mario Manningham
Owen Daniels

I haven't taken a D/ST or kicker yet, and my bench is Santana Moss, C.J. Spiller, Lance Moore and Danny Woodhead. I'm down to $1 per slot. This part of the draft sucks.

I overpaid for Charles and maybe for Jennings, but I think I got the rest of my starters at a pretty good bargain.
 
Red Blaster said:
Thanks for the tips. It's a Yahoo standard league. Yeah, Hightower was arguably BPA for RBs by the time I picked him. Would've picked a better guy if Finley wasn't available the previous round. Not in love with most of my bench so I'll be on the wire a lot most likely.

Yahoo standard changes it slightly; you go 3WR and no flex so the running back thing can be dealt with using more lottery picks and possibly a trade. In fact, if there was some way you could package a WR3+RB deal for a better receiver...just a thought. Keep an eye on week 1, in particular to see how lower end receivers do. You'll need to start shedding dead weight on the waiver wire ASAP but since you have needs at WR3/RB2 there's flexibility, too.
 
mr2xxx said:
16 Team- No Quitters
Ku Klux Klams
Round Pick Player Position
1. (3) Chris Johnson RB
2. (30) Miles Austin WR
3. (35) Reggie Wayne WR
4. (62) Beanie Wells RB
5. (67) Brandon Marshall WR
6. (94) Willis McGahee RB
7. (99) Sam Bradford QB
8. (126) C.J. Spiller RB
9. (131) Ryan Fitzpatrick QB
10. (158) Antonio Brown WR
11. (163) Chris Cooley TE
12. (190) San Diego DEF
13. (195) Bernard Berrian WR
14. (222) Derrick Ward RB
15. (227) Anthony Armstrong

I liked my draft except that I autopicked Reggie Wayne in the 3rd. Not bad value but I would of went for Bradshaw in a heartbeat. Luckily Beanie fell in the 4th and should make a decent #2. Marshall and McGahee are solid flex plays, both have potential. QBs got drafted early and I was hesitant to pick one early and ended up with Bradeford which I I'm not a big fan but McDaniels turned Orton in a fantasy starter so there is potential there. Fitzpatrick had a great year and should be solid as a backup.

It was strange drafting with so many people, the biggest I had done before was 12. You definitely need to jump on someone early instead of hoping they come back to you. Most had a good a draft and there is no clear cut favorite. Thursday can't come soon enough.

This is what I'm talking about right here. Excellent value at the QB and TE positions. And you probably could have gotten a better QB if you picked someone up in the 6th, but with only two RBs, I think the Willis pick makes sense given the size of the league. Plus you came right back and got Spiller in the 8th. Bravo.

I'm not a huge fan of Wells as a weekly number #2, but you have three excellent WRs (I don't understand why everyone is undervaluing Marshall; 86 grabs - over 1,000 yds in 2010; only 3 TDs, but that can easily change), so that helps a ton.

16 team leagues are tricky because you have to take chances during the season to fill byes and injuries, but I really like this team. I don't see any reason why you shouldn't be in the mix in weeks 14 or 15.
 
I got conned into a league and we just had our draft. On espn. 10 teams. Snake turn based draft because for some reason they didn't want to do an auction. Anyway, I don't know anything about football outside of the vikes... So how did I do?

Bottled Jeff's Siemon

EDIT: Found an actual copy paste list:
1. 6 Adrian Peterson, Min RB
2. 15 Peyton Manning, Ind QB
3. 26 Ryan Longwell, Min K
4. 35 Hakeem Nicks, NYG WR
5. 46 Jason Witten, Dal TE
6. 55 Knowshon Moreno, Den RB
7. 66 Santonio Holmes, NYJ WR
8. 75 Percy Harvin, Min WR
9. 86 Ravens D/ST D/ST
10. 95 Tony Romo, Dal QB
11. 106 Fred Jackson, Buf RB
12. 115 Santana Moss, Wsh WR
13. 126 Mason Crosby, GB K
14. 135 Pierre Thomas, NO RB
15. 146 Kyle Rudolph, Min TE
16. 155 Michael Bush, Oak RB
 
Since we're talking teams, what do you guys think of this team?

Puddles of Win
1. (5) Jamaal Charles
2. (28) Greg Jennings
3. (37) Ahmad Bradshaw
4. (60) Stevie Johnson
5. (69) Vernon Davis
6. (92) Joe Flacco
7. (101) Lance Moore
8. (124) Danny Woodhead
9. (133) Jacoby Ford
10. (156) Ryan Torain
11. (165) Davone Bess
12. (188) Derrick Mason
13. (197) Jason Campbell
14. (220) Cincinnati D/ST
15. (229) Rob Bironas (Ten K)

I could have gotten a better QB or WR3 if I didn't go with Vernon in the 5th, but Lance Moore put up pretty good flex numbers last year. The one decision I second-guessed was taking Stevie Johnson over Brandon Marshall. I just trust Fitzpatrick a lot more than Chad Henne.
 
Puddles said:
Since we're talking teams, what do you guys think of this team?

Puddles of Win
1. (5) Jamaal Charles
2. (28) Greg Jennings
3. (37) Ahmad Bradshaw
4. (60) Stevie Johnson
5. (69) Vernon Davis
6. (92) Joe Flacco
7. (101) Lance Moore
8. (124) Danny Woodhead
9. (133) Jacoby Ford
10. (156) Ryan Torain
11. (165) Davone Bess
12. (188) Derrick Mason
13. (197) Jason Campbell
14. (220) Cincinnati D/ST
15. (229) Rob Bironas (Ten K)

I could have gotten a better QB or WR3 if I didn't go with Vernon in the 5th, but Lance Moore put up pretty good flex numbers last year. The one decision I second-guessed was taking Stevie Johnson over Brandon Marshall. I just trust Fitzpatrick a lot more than Chad Henne.
Every team is the 16 team looks iffy. Same goes for this one. I don't like KC this year, so Charles is risky. Jennings targets go down a lot with Finley is the mix at GB. Lance is a nice flex though. I have Bradshaw in one league but he is scary since I think Jacobs will get more carries this year. I do believe the Giants will be down a lit this tear though and pass a lot with is good for Bradshaw. Hopefully he can hold onto the rock more. I like the Ford pickup. No pun intended lol. Is there an easy way to copy and paste my team from yahoo?
 
GQman2121 said:
This is what I'm talking about right here. Excellent value at the QB and TE positions. And you probably could have gotten a better QB if you picked someone up in the 6th, but with only two RBs, I think the Willis pick makes sense given the size of the league. Plus you came right back and got Spiller in the 8th. Bravo.

I'm not a huge fan of Wells as a weekly number #2, but you have three excellent WRs (I don't understand why everyone is undervaluing Marshall; 86 grabs - over 1,000 yds in 2010; only 3 TDs, but that can easily change), so that helps a ton.

16 team leagues are tricky because you have to take chances during the season to fill byes and injuries, but I really like this team. I don't see any reason why you shouldn't be in the mix in weeks 14 or 15.

16 team is definitely tough because you have to pick your poison. Some team has Floyd and Driver as starting WR's * cough Peytons Creek, another has Hightower and law firm * cough cough Sinistar, and I have Bradford and Fitzy. Overall I have a solid team and if I hit it big on a waiver wire pick or someone busts out on squad i'll be set.



Puddles said:
Since we're talking teams, what do you guys think of this team?

Puddles of Win
1. (5) Jamaal Charles
2. (28) Greg Jennings
3. (37) Ahmad Bradshaw
4. (60) Stevie Johnson
5. (69) Vernon Davis
6. (92) Joe Flacco
7. (101) Lance Moore
8. (124) Danny Woodhead
9. (133) Jacoby Ford
10. (156) Ryan Torain
11. (165) Davone Bess
12. (188) Derrick Mason
13. (197) Jason Campbell
14. (220) Cincinnati D/ST
15. (229) Rob Bironas (Ten K)

I could have gotten a better QB or WR3 if I didn't go with Vernon in the 5th, but Lance Moore put up pretty good flex numbers last year. The one decision I second-guessed was taking Stevie Johnson over Brandon Marshall. I just trust Fitzpatrick a lot more than Chad Henne.

You pretty much had the same draft as me. Only diff. is you went TE and I went Flex. I like your team but I'm glad Flacco is playing the Steelers week 1 one.
 
minx88 said:
Every team is the 16 team looks iffy. Same goes for this one. I don't like KC this year, so Charles is risky. Jennings targets go down a lot with Finley is the mix at GB. Lance is a nice flex though. I have Bradshaw in one league but he is scary since I think Jacobs will get more carries this year. I do believe the Giants will be down a lit this tear though and pass a lot with is good for Bradshaw. Hopefully he can hold onto the rock more. I like the Ford pickup. No pun intended lol. Is there an easy way to copy and paste my team from yahoo?

Go to draft results and select team. This will give your the team and where you picked them.
 
GQman2121 said:
Not good Frank, sorry.

The obvious mistake was taking Vick (or any QB really) in the first round. That pretty much kills the bulk of the team that you're trying to build in the money rounds. You're left hoping that someone will fall to you on the way back in the second.

Attempting to get RB value in the later rounds, is quite frankly, a bad plan. It's the thinnest position by a fair margin and should be the focus in the first two or even three rounds.

For starters, Felix Jones is not a #1 RB. He has eight career starts in three NFL seasons and has never been a fulltime starter at any meaningful level. In a 16 team league, I like him as a decent #2 with a bit more value than someone like Shonn Greene because he will get a fair amount of catches.
Like I said, once Vick fell to me I had to take him. I've gone QB the last two years (Brees) so it's a comfortable pick. As far as RBs go, I came within 2 picks THREE TIMES of getting the RB I wanted, so I won't complain about that.

Felix Jones never did well because Wade Philips is a moron who never gave him carries. Luckily Jason Garrett is the new guy there and he's committed to Jones. He's a legit #1 in my book.
Furthermore, LT is a #2 on his own teams depth chart. To take him with the expectation of being a fulltime starter for you is ill-advised. All signs are pointing to Greene taking the bulk of the carries this year.

You also reached at TE. Gates is wonderful, and barring injury, should have another phenomenal year that lands him in the Pro Bowl. Unfortunately, the third round is waaaaaay to soon to take any TE. Tight End is the deepest position in fantasy. More and more coordinators are designing schemes that factor them into the passing game and more kids are being drafted into the league as potential playmakers. It's possible that you could get comparable out put from a TE taken in the 10th round that you could from one of the top five guys this year.
Agreed w/ Gates, but I needed a position where I can forget about it for awhile. Gates when healthy is Rivers' favorite target and unguardable. Reach? Yes. But I couldn't take a chance he'd be gone later on. I gambled and came up craps.

As a NYer, I can tell you at some point Ryan will trot out LDT again. Jets fans themselves know it will happen, the question is will LDT have anything left? I hope so.
As far as your WRs, well.......in his eight year career, 2010' was Lloyd's first 1,000 yard season. With Josh McDaniels now gone, Lloyd is going to struggle to get even close to the numbers that he put up last year.

Harvin is solid as a #2 and Julio's output is a complete guessing game right now. He could be the standout of your draft, but I wouldn't go into the season depending on that or with expectations that he's going to score 7-10 points on a weekly basis.

Using rounds 8 and 12 on a defense and a kicker is head scratching to me.

I think you're going to have a very difficult time making the post season with that squad.
I know Lloyd is not going to come close to last year, Orton loves him and he's still the #1 WR on a squad with No-Show as the RB. Fox will learn very quick to feed Lloyd. Also Juilo Jones is getting pushed TO THE STARS in Atlanta, the staff loves him and considering the haul they have to get him they are going to give him every chance to succeed. It's all about the research/training camp/checking teams rosters with me, and a pass heavy offense with teams looking to target Roddy and TGonz first? As long as Juilo Jones doesn't turn into James Jones he will have a shot early on for big points.

Also my D and kicker picks: I always have Giants D and kicker was a shot at GaG. What was left? I still have my sleeper in Carter, I had picked Gibson (undervalued), and I didn't see a pick I need to make to drastically help my team by then (other sleepers were gone).
 
My last draft in 10 man team ppr 9th pick


in order

mccoy
white
bradshaw
wayne
schuab
s. moss
hightower
85
j. brown
chargers D
keller
green
sanchito
f jax
burelson

towards the end I went with players that didnt have same byes as my starters
 
SteveWinwood said:
I got conned into a league and we just had our draft. On espn. 10 teams. Snake turn based draft because for some reason they didn't want to do an auction. Anyway, I don't know anything about football outside of the vikes... So how did I do?

Bottled Jeff's Siemon

EDIT: Found an actual copy paste list:
1. 6 Adrian Peterson, Min RB
2. 15 Peyton Manning, Ind QB
3. 26 Ryan Longwell, Min K
4. 35 Hakeem Nicks, NYG WR
5. 46 Jason Witten, Dal TE
6. 55 Knowshon Moreno, Den RB
7. 66 Santonio Holmes, NYJ WR
8. 75 Percy Harvin, Min WR
9. 86 Ravens D/ST D/ST
10. 95 Tony Romo, Dal QB
11. 106 Fred Jackson, Buf RB
12. 115 Santana Moss, Wsh WR
13. 126 Mason Crosby, GB K
14. 135 Pierre Thomas, NO RB
15. 146 Kyle Rudolph, Min TE
16. 155 Michael Bush, Oak RB

So your Week 1 lineup should be: Romo, AP, Moreno, Nicks, Holmes, Jackson/Moss, and Witten.

Manning might not be playing for awhile. If Brady, Brees or Rivers were available, I would have gone with them if I was determined to get a QB in the 2nd. If none of those three were available, I'd wait until the 3rd or 4th and get Schaub or Ryan.

Taking a kicker in the 3rd? Why would you do that? You take your kicker towards the end of the draft. In a 10 team league where there are actual players in the final few rounds, your kicker should be your last pick. The 3rd round is where you get one of your top RBs or WRs, or maybe your starting QB if you like the ones available at that spot.

There are two reasons you take a kicker late: 1) the difference between the #1 kicker and the #10 kicker always ends up being like 2-3 points per game, and 2) the #1 kicker from the previous year rarely repeats. In the league I ran, I actually excluded kickers because I feel that they're the most random of positions.

You want to spend your early picks on positions where there's a big drop-off in talent. The difference between someone like Roddy White and someone like Mario Manningham is huge. Same with someone like Ray Rice vs Mike Tolbert. I almost always go exclusively RB/WR in the early rounds unless a top 5 QB falls to me in a favorable slot.

In a 10 team league, there are enough starting QBs to go around, so I'd definitely be using that strategy.

That would still be a good team in a league with 12 or more teams, but I'm guessing that in a 10 team league, most of the other owners are a lot more stacked. Your WR2 is Santonio Holmes, who is a decent player, but no better than a flex in most 10 team leagues.
 
I own Jacoby Ford in 4 leagues, and it would have been 5 tonight if some asshole with some bankroll left hadn't put in a $2 bid on him when I nominated him during the rounds when most of us were down to our $1 to fill a roster spot bids.

Somehow I also own Lance Moore in 3 leagues, although I've never specifically targeted him.
 
My team in the 12 man Gaf Auction league:

33 Tony Romo, Dal QB $23
34 Hakeem Nicks, NYG WR $37
37 Jahvid Best, Det RB $23
41 Shonn Greene, NYJ RB $16
63 Knowshon Moreno, Den RB $22
65 Felix Jones, Dal RB $29
69 Santonio Holmes, NYJ WR $19
80 Jason Witten, Dal TE $11
104 Chad Ochocinco, NE WR $6
119 James Starks, GB RB $3
133 Jimmy Graham, NO TE $2
140 Plaxico Burress, NYJ WR $1
148 Nate Burleson, Det WR $1
156 Mike Sims-Walker, StL WR $1
158 Sebastian Janikowski, Oak K $2
161 Falcons D/ST D/ST $2

I slept, not because I wanted to, but because the early RB's and WR's were going for $15-$25 more than the cheat sheet value range. Romo was a mistake I was trying to bid him up there was a lot of fast moving action and I guessed wrong. Paid too much for Nicks but all the top WR's were going 40-50 I had to get one with the bank I built. I love Manningham as a later and cheaper guy so I should have maybe targeted Wallace instead. My strategy after the first few RB's started to go for crazy $ was to target 4 of the mid level 7 guys. Blount was called up early and went for more than I wanted to pay, missed out on Bradshaw and was already set at RB but desperate at WR when Fjax was called up. I was targeting and budgeted to get Santonio Holmes and Percy Harvin as my other two WR's after my RB pick. Got Holmes but for a little more than I wanted to pay, almost had Harvin who went for $14, which was my max bid at the time so I couldn't bid $15 to get him. Very happy with Witten at $11 who was the TE I was targeting, but was saving my money for the play on Harvin which I had missed out on. Starks at $3 I felt was a great value, I should have made a move on Jacobs who went for $3 shortly after too, didn't want to be muscled out of any picks later though if someone were to $1 my $1 picks. Left $2 on the board. No back up QB, I wanted Stafford but he was too costly when he went, Bradford has the same bye week as Romo so that was no help either. Didn't want anyone else waiver wire for when that bye shows up.
 
I had never done an auction, and I didn't realize you had to fill out your roster. I thought you could just spend all of your money and then pick up waiver guys for $0 at the end. Screwed me over when I got down to the end.
 
1. (6) Andre Johnson
2. (27) LeGarrette Blount
3. (38) Dez Bryant
4. (59) DeAngelo Williams
5. (70) Josh Freeman
6. (91) Owen Daniels
7. (102) Michael Bush
8. (123) Jerome Harrison
9. (134) Michael Crabtree
10. (155) Denarius Moore
11. (166) Kendall Hunter
12. (187) Emmanuel Sanders
13. (198) Dallas
14. (219) Shane Vereen
15. (230) Josh Brown

Feel free to critique my 16 team No quitters draft. I'm not sure how I feel about it. With the 6th pick i was hoping a top teir RB would fall to me. I could have done Mendy or Mccoy, but with those 400+ touches that is a red flag. I also think they air the ball out more in PIT. Mccoy.... well his value depends on Vick a lot....which is a red flag, as both players are fragile. AJ is has no red flags in my opinion. Not confident with DWill but he fell hard to me. He has the talent, and it risky, but could pay off huge, same with Dez. I like my Bush and Harrison picks because both the RB's in front of them on the team are fragile fragile. Freeman was as steal I think that late. Overall it comes down to McFadden or Best getting injured for the year and DWill performing like he did in his previous years. If that happens I think I'm looking pretty good. I would appreciate any opinions. Maybe be nice.... it's my birthday!
 
Puddles said:
I had never done an auction, and I didn't realize you had to fill out your roster. I thought you could just spend all of your money and then pick up waiver guys for $0 at the end. Screwed me over when I got down to the end.

If you spend alot on certain players early it comes back and hurt you later. So for instance you have like 4 players left with only 5 bux left can only go 2 on one player and the rest a dollar. And during that time your waiting ur turn hoping no one has money left to win the bid..


my mega money keeper league i had kept 5 players but only had 100 bux to bid on 10 players..
 
Puddles said:
I own Jacoby Ford in 4 leagues, and it would have been 5 tonight if some asshole with some bankroll left hadn't put in a $2 bid on him when I nominated him during the rounds when most of us were down to our $1 to fill a roster spot bids.

Somehow I also own Lance Moore in 3 leagues, although I've never specifically targeted him.
I own a bunch of the same players in 2 leagues. Would have gladly owned Ray Rice in all of 'em with earlier draft slots (I snapped him up in both leagues I picked 4th).

Mike Wallace and Santonio Holmes have both found their way onto FOUR of my teams.
And somehow Reggie Bush of all people has found his way onto THREE.
I've traditionally hated Reggie when he was in New Orleans so I'm not sure what to make of this development.

I have much fantasy love this year for the Steelers, Jets, Cowboys and Rams. Would embrace the Lions more if Glass Stafford didn't freak me out so much so I've been content to keep my investment low-risk by scooping up Burleson and little else.

My big "all-in" candidate last year was Hakeem Nicks.
Owned him in five leagues and he paid off HUGE.
This year I don't own him at all. Have Manningham on two teams, though.
 
I was hoping Rice would fall to me at 5th last night. That could only happen if someone took Vick in the top 4, or if the guy picking 4th went with a cheatsheat that had Charles at #4, but sadly it didn't happen. I think Rice is in for a huge year.

Also, my 5-spot last night was the highest I've ever picked, and I've been in enough leagues now that statistically I should have been in the top 3 at least once.
 
Puddles said:
I was hoping Rice would fall to me at 5th last night. That could only happen if someone took Vick in the top 4, or if the guy picking 4th went with a cheatsheat that had Charles at #4, but sadly it didn't happen. I think Rice is in for a huge year.
I could have had Rice in a 3rd league (which was auction) except the draft got reset early on (after I'd already bet on and secured Rice) due to a glitch and I was effectively priced out in the second go-around so I ended up settling for 400+ touch Mendenhall. Thankfully that league is an 8-teamer with plenty of wire depth so I can recover quickly if he breaks down (plus I think Redman can excel with more touches).

NO QUITTERS 3 DRAFT ANALYSIS

Incidentally, I prayed to the draft gods right around 9pm for an early draft slot. I asked for 4th or 5th. I looked down to my screen to see Slot 4. Needless to say they were smiling down on me.

Round 1 - Ray Rice

I would have taken Rice ahead of both ADP and Foster, incidentally. I was having an internal argument with myself between CJ and Rice when Ku Klux Klams made my decision for me. My biggest dilemma would have been if Foster's hammy had him sliding down to Pick 4 after ADP, CJ and Rice. I would have had to think long and hard between him and Charles and it would not have been fun.

Round 2 - Mike Wallace

As noted above, Wallace has been my go-to WR1 for most of this draft season but I was actually hoping not to get him here. In the mock drafts I ran from Pick 4 he was getting snapped up routinely before reaching me (usually by you) and I was anticipating problems at RB so was dearly hoping for either Blount or Felix Jones to fall to me. Was counting on you guys falling for Yahoo!'s over-inflated Shonn Greene smokescreen for that and sadly none of you took the bait. With Blount and Felix gone and none of the other available RBs tickling my fancy, I elected to take Wallace. I've only passed on MW once this entire draft season in a 10-teamer where I landed both Megatron AND Fitzgerald in Rounds 2 & 3. He's probably WR4 in my personal rankings.

Round 3 - Ben Roethlisberger

In retrospect, had I known Freeman would still be around 24 picks later I would have probably held off on drafting Rapistberger. But I really didn't have a sense how quick the QB run was going to go and I couldn't afford to take any chances with the position in such a deep league. I think it was Sinistar's Round 2 reach for Matt Ryan that freaked me out here more than anything. Having Wallace on board already made Big Ben very tantalizing and I hoped an acceptable RB2 would manage to slip through the cracks to find me in Round 4 where I could fully devote my focus towards building a solid group of guys. For a long while it seemed like this gamble would pay off and then...

Round 4 - Reggie Bush

I was perfectly content through the remainder of Round 3 but when Round 4 took off after the two Chargers went to Peyton's Creaky Neck I was eyeing TWO guys I wanted to fall to me. Namely Knowshon Moreno and DeAngelo Williams. I was PRAYING for a QB and/or early TE run here to distract people from them.

As with Blount and Felix in Round 1 they ALMOST made their way back to me but I knew my goose was cooked as soon as TD's N' Beer openly mused in chat on whether to take DWill or Beanie. I am NOT a Beanie believer and clearly he wasn't as he picked up DWill and I was left to mull over the known quantities in Beanie and Benson and the unknown in Reggie Bush's quest to reinvent himself as a feature back in Miami. I may own Reggie in two other leagues but he's bench or flex depth there and not an RB2. I made the call but almost immediately regretted it as I completely missed he shared a bye week with Rice which would portend to lineup problems down the road.

Round 5 - Santonio Holmes

Beanie and Benson both go in short order meaning I can't cover my bye week SNAFU and I'm left with a quandary. I had gameplanned to draft 4 RBs in the first 6 rounds thinking I could pick through all of my sleeper receivers later on but I wasn't exactly enamoured with any RB at this spot in the draft and Santonio was sitting there as the best available player. I'd drafted Holmes as my WR2 in Rounds 5 & 6 of two other leagues. Yahoo!'s rankings had him undervalued as the 24th receiver off the board whereas I've had him pencilled in at WR13 in the same tier as DJax and Tampa Mike. Where the overvaluing of Greene didn't fool anyone the undervaluing of his fellow Jet paid dividends and I was happy to shore up my receiver corps with him. My intention was to then ignore receivers for the next few rounds but I probably waited a round too late before they got my focus again as my lack of WR depth turned into the surprise of the draft for me over the next hour.

Round 6 - James Starks

Playoff hero Starks is already lined up for equal touches with Grant this Thursday against the Saints and should hopefully outshine the vet with a strong performance in primetime. This was a nice grab for me as Starks represented the best upside of all the RBs to get snapped up after Beanie (Benson is a turtle and in trouble with the law, Jacobs has to fight for touches with Bradshaw in a passing offense, Addai is breaking down along with the rest of the Colts and FJax just hit the dubious 30-year-old plateau). I actually like the McGahee grab Ku Klux Klams made immediately afterwards as I think he'll be a solid goal-line vulture and in line for a lot of work in John Fox's offense should Knowshon not show up. But he likewise has an age concern. If nothing else, I just needed an RB guaranteed to get touches during Week 5. I still have a hole to plug there but I've got a month to worry about it.

Round 7 - Daniel Thomas

This move made sense to handcuff Reggie and to lock in Miami's run game (they've got a really nice schedule against the run, btw). Yeah, it was another Week 5 guy but the only RBs still on the board I could confidently say would get significant touches that week were Woodhead and Thomas Jones and it was far too early for either of them. Plus, as with Starks, Thomas provides upside potential. Something I always strive for in deep leagues. In a lot of ways, I feel snagging Starks & Thomas at the 6-7 turn was my best stretch of the draft.

Round 8 - Rob Gronkowski

This was another of those criminally undervalued by Yahoo! guys I was waiting to pounce on at the right time. The mid-tier TEs were flying off the board in Rounds 7 & 8 (Lewis, Olsen, Hernandez, Cook) and I needed to make a play now to lock in what I feel is one half of the core of the Patriots offensive attack. I would have waited until Round 9 if Klams had already drafted a TE but he was patiently waiting and I couldn't take the chance.

Round 9 - Colt McCoy

Klams essentially triggered this pick as well with his shrewd play of waiting forever to secure his QB1 and then jumping the gun to back him up almost immediately with his QB2 grab of Fitzpatrick. (That's Drafting 101, btw. mr2xxx had one hell of a draft.) 18 QBs were off the board at this point and I literally LOATHED every other QB on the board as even a backup candidate. Yes, even Cutler. McCoy is the only guy I deemed acceptable pre-draft as backup worthy and I clearly needed to strike here to get him.

The real dilemma with my Round 8-9 picks is that they were predicated on what I perceived as an immediate need thinking the WR depth would continue to hang around. Unfortunately for me, the rest of you also seemed to hate most of the fodder on the board at this point and were content to scoop up promising upside receivers like Nelson, Meachem and Moore.

Round 10 - Detroit Lions D/ST

Normally I like to wait on grabbing a defense but in a deeper league it's not a bad idea to land a unit of quality when possible. That's still no excuse for grabbing the Packers in Round 6 but you shouldn't necessarily wait until the end either. Once again, in retrospect I didn't have a really good sense of when the rest of the D units would go here. 7 were off the board at this point. Had I know the Chargers would still be around two rounds later I'd have likely waited and plugged some more depth holes but there was really no way of knowing... especially with auto-draft teams already scooping up kickers. I would have made a play for Antonio Brown or Emmanuel Sanders here if I didn't already have Wallace.

Round 11 - Arrelious Benn

Unfortunately for me, my best upside receiver candidate ALSO presented a bye week quandary thanks to Benn and Holmes both being off Week 8. Benn was yet another undervalued-by-Yahoo upside guy I had pegged early on seeing how he'll be running opposite a newly respected Mike Williams and would benefit if Freeman takes the next step to elite status this season. With both Brown and Little going, nobody was safe so he was the obvious choice for me to target. Not the greatest WR3 I've ever had but seeing how I won a 20-team league with Anthony Armstrong getting regular work last year I could certainly do worse. The nice part about being thin at receiver is that it's the easiest position to fill holes for off the wire.

Round 12 - Lance Kendricks

I wasn't planning on backing up Tight End during the draft but given the buzz Kendricks has been generating all pre-season and how thin the receiver & running back depth was looking I couldn't pass up the opportunity to sign him. I love that he's facing the Cowboys on the road during New England's bye week.

Round 13 - Bernard Scott

Scott is my lottery ticket. He won't address my Week 5 bye week dilemma (nobody was going to at this point) but he "may" become very useful should Cincy finally get sick of Benson's 3-yards-or-less rushes. That team is built to run the ball 20 to 30 times a game and the Bengals enjoy an awesome schedule for RB matchups on weeks when they're not playing Pittsburgh or Baltimore. I will also take a Benson injury, arrest, suspension... whatever gets the job done and the ball in Scott's hands.

Round 14 - Harry Douglas

I'm still pissed at Frankman over his grab of Brandon Gibson here. I would dearly love to trade for him (I like the Rams this year, remember). On the bright side, I managed to scoop up Harry Douglas. Atlanta is going to go all-out with the passing offense this season and if Julio Jones fails to flourish as a receiver in Year 1 (most rookies don't transition to the pro game right off the bat - especially with a shortened training camp) then Harry Douglas stands to reap the benefits of the Falcons new passing focus.

Round 15 - Billy Cundiff

Cundiff is Mr. Reliable as far as kickers go and ensures I get points whenever Rice gets shut down in the red zone. Oh darn.

To recap...

Long Island Broskis
1. (4) Ray Rice (Bal - RB)
2. (29) Mike Wallace (Pit - WR)
3. (36) Ben Roethlisberger (Pit - QB)
4. (61) Reggie Bush (Mia - RB)
5. (68) Santonio Holmes (NYJ - WR)
6. (93) James Starks (GB - RB)
7. (100) Daniel Thomas (Mia - RB)
8. (125) Rob Gronkowski (NE - TE)
9. (132) Colt McCoy (Cle - QB)
10. (157) Detroit (Det - DEF)
11. (164) Arrelious Benn (TB - WR)
12. (189) Lance Kendricks (StL - TE)
13. (196) Bernard Scott (Cin - RB)
14. (221) Harry Douglas (Atl - WR)
15. (228) Billy Cundiff (Bal - K)
 
16 team is definitely tough because you have to pick your poison. Some team has Floyd and Driver as starting WR's * cough Peytons Creek

Actually Burleson and Garcon are my starters. I'm just torn between playing Tolbert or Floyd at flex. And Garcon is iffy w/o Manning, I think. I'll decide for sure after week 1 lol

So guys, critique my team:

Round Pick Player Position
1. (16) Philip Rivers QB
2. (17) Matt Forte RB
3. (48) Ryan Mathews RB
4. (49) Mike Tolbert RB
5. (80) Pierre Garcon WR
6. (81) Malcom Floyd WR
7. (112) Aaron Hernandez TE
8. (113) Nate Burleson WR
9. (144) Eddie Royal WR
10. (145) Justin Forsett RB
11. (176) Brent Celek TE
12. (177) Tennessee DEF
13. (208) Donald Driver WR
14. (209) Donald Brown RB - (dropped for Rex Grossman QB)
15. (240) Lawrence Tynes K

I had to draft Tolbert early as a handcuff but the way that offense runs, they could both put up big stats. Only concern is too many Chargers and I have other week 6 byes too lol
 
Cloudy said:
So guys, critique my team:
Love the Burleson and Hernandez grabs in Rounds 7 & 8. Also liked your play of nabbing both Tolbert & Mathews back-to-back... you would not have seen Tolbert in the 5th had you waited on him.

You may have too many eggs in the Chargers basket but there are certainly worse teams to have done that with. Be thankful you didn't bank on Indy (well aside from Garcon - Manning's health may hurt you there). I wouldn't trust Pierre in any lineup while Peyton is out. Would probably start Floyd, Royal or even Driver in place of him.
 
Yeah, I feel I lack a WR who I can count on for 8+ points each week and I may be better served having the Bears backup than Forsett but we'll see..
 
Ha! The projection doesn't look too good for me. Sucks that I have to face the best team on paper with so much uncertainty in my lineup. :/
 
So I feel pretty bummed out about my one and only league so far. Its a 14 team Yahoo league and I had the 9th pick so by the time I had my turn all the top elite RBs were gone so I went QB first. The league also awards more points (6) for pass TDs then it does for rush TDs (4).

STARTERS

QB: A. Rodgers
RB: Matt Forte
RB: BenJarvus Green Ellis no other option :(
WR: Vincent Jackson
WR: M. Colston
TE: A. Hernandez
W/T: Braylen Edwards
W/R: Moreno
K: Josh Brown
DEF: Dallas

Bench

QB: McNabb
RB: Spiller
RB: Starks
TE: Celek
WR: Berrian

I feel like it could go either way. Outside of Rodgers at QB I don't have many sure fires but I had Colston and Moreno last year and they performed really well for later round picks. I know Fred Jackson is the main guy in Buffalo but I just picked up Spiller for depth and hoping he improves and sees more time this year.

Berrian I will probably drop after week 1 after seeing who does what.

GB fans is Starks the projected starter or is Grant still starting?
 
Hmm some dude wasn't at the draft and the cpu drafted P. Manning for him and his back up QB is Fitz.

I am thinking of proposing the following deal to him:

He trades to me:

LeSean McCoy
Rashard Mendenhall

FOR

A. Rodgers
BenJarvus Green Ellis.

Good trade?
 
EDIT:

effzee said:
So I feel pretty bummed out about my one and only league so far. Its a 14 team Yahoo league and I had the 9th pick so by the time I had my turn all the top elite RBs were gone so I went QB first. The league also awards more points (6) for pass TDs then it does for rush TDs (4).

That's insane. I would NOT trade Rodgers. Full stop. Stop downing on Law Firm and realize that he basically had 2 TDs in every preseason game he was involved in. He might not get a lot of yards but he is part of their goal line solution. Plus, you already have Forte and Moreno, so Law Firm is a good 3rd back.

effzee said:
is Starks the projected starter or is Grant still starting??

They are getting "equal carries" now, which is basically the smell of Grant's time as RB1 falling and Starks' time rising. Hang on to him.
 
Looking over point totals from last year, almost everybody is "feast or famine" to some extent. The only guy who consistently put up solid, but not overly spectacular numbers was Frank Gore before his injury. Even 1st round WRs and RBs put up plenty of single-digit games.

Cloudy said:
Ha! The projection doesn't look too good for me. Sucks that I have to face the best team on paper with so much uncertainty in my lineup. :/

Is Foster even playing Week 1?
 
minx88 said:
Feel free to critique my 16 team No quitters draft.

Sounds like this is your lineup:

QB: JFresh
WR: Andre, Dez
RB: Blount, DWill
Flex: Crab
TE: Daniels

I like your two RBs, and your WRs are obviously first class. Weaknesses:
a. No backup QB. JFresh needs to continue to evolve.
b. DWill needs to hold up over a season, because you have no backup, just a bunch of lotto tickets, really. Harrison could be RB3 or RB4 in Detroit now, Bush is about as close to startable as you have.
c. Crab as flex scares the heck out of me. But certainly, he's got the upside.

Week 1, that's not bad as a starting lineup. But I figure you'll be shopping waivers well before bye season.
 
minx88 said:
UberTag, I demand that you critique my "No Quitters" team. It's my B Day dammit.

Were you planning to take Blount in the 2nd, or did you pick him because I threw his name out?
 
Puddles said:
Were you planning to take Blount in the 2nd, or did you pick him because I threw his name out?
Kinda was, kinda wasn't. It was either him or Bradshaw. I liked the WR's better that were available but didn't want to go WR WR. Did you actually want him after me?
 
minx88 said:
Kinda was, kinda wasn't. It was either him or Bradshaw. I liked the WR's better that were available but didn't want to go WR WR. Did you actually want him after me?

No, I was targeting a WR in that spot. It was between Jennings and Wallace for me.
 
Hey guys, I need some roster advice for week 1. PPR league, need 2 RB/2 WR/1 Flex:

Arian Foster (IND@HOU)
Jahvid Best (DET@TB)
Cedric Benson (CIN@CLE)
Miles Austin (DAL@NYJ)
Brandon Lloyd (OAK@DEN)
Mario Manningham (NYG@WAS)
Kenny Britt (TEN@JAC)

I'm assuming everyone plays. Right now I'm leaning Foster/Best plus Lloyd/Manningham at WR. Can't decide if I want to go with Benson or Britt at flex (possibly Benson over Best?). Hate to leave Austin on the bench, but the matchup sucks. A little nervous about Britt too since we haven't seen him play with Hasselbeck.
 
lljride said:
Hey guys, I need some roster advice for week 1. PPR league, need 2 RB/2 WR/1 Flex:

Arian Foster (IND@HOU)
Jahvid Best (DET@TB)
Cedric Benson (CIN@CLE)
Miles Austin (DAL@NYJ)
Brandon Lloyd (OAK@DEN)

Mario Manningham (NYG@WAS)
Kenny Britt (TEN@JAC)

I'm assuming everyone plays. Right now I'm leaning Foster/Best plus Lloyd/Manningham at WR. Can't decide if I want to go with Benson or Britt at flex (possibly Benson over Best?). Hate to leave Austin on the bench, but the matchup sucks. A little nervous about Britt too since we haven't seen him play with Hasselbeck.


The ones in bold I would prob start. I like Lloyd's matchup against the raiders. Whos there Corners now?
 
minx88 said:
I'm confused how waivers work in the No Quitters league. I can't seem to find a waiver order?

Priority is given by standings from the bottom up. Right now it has it by draft order but that will change after week 1..I think. Or will I get first dibs on waivers for picking 16th? :D
 
goober said:
Hey guys should I start Dallas Clark or Jimmy Graham?

Maclin or Ochocinco?

Thanks in advance
With Lance Moore officially ruled out for tomorrow night, you have to start Jimmy Graham.

I wouldn't expect much from either Maclin (who may be a zombie) or Ocho (given that he's learning a new offense - the Pats TEs and Welker will eat up most of the passing touches).

Maclin's probably the safer bet but wait until later in the weekend to qualify that his health issues are a thing of the past.
 
UberTag said:
With Lance Moore officially ruled out for tomorrow night, you have to start Jimmy Graham.

I wouldn't expect much from either Maclin (who may be a zombie) or Ocho (given that he's learning a new offense - the Pats TEs and Welker will eat up most of the passing touches).

Maclin's probably the safer bet but wait until later in the weekend to qualify that his health issues are a thing of the past.

Thanks for the advice! This is my first time joining a fantasy football league and it's filled with 14 teams. I seem to be left with a ragtag bunch so I'm hoping on luck + Gaf's advice to do decent.


Here's my team:
QB Joe Flacco, Bal QB
RB Jamaal Charles, KC RB
RB James Starks, GB RB
RB/WR Mario Manningham, NYG WR
WR Larry Fitzgerald, Ari WR
WR Jeremy Maclin, Phi WR
TE Jimmy Graham, NO TE
D/ST Falcons D/ST D/ST
K Stephen Gostkowski, NE K

BENCH
Dallas Clark, Ind TE
Chad Ochocinco, NE WR
Ricky Williams
Lions D
Cam Newton
Billy Cundiff
Bernard Scott

Try not to laugh at those picks -_-
 
Arian Foster (IND@HOU)
Jahvid Best (DET@TB)
Cedric Benson (CIN@CLE)

Miles Austin (DAL@NYJ)
Brandon Lloyd (OAK@DEN)
Mario Manningham (NYG@WAS)
Kenny Britt (TEN@JAC)

Its sucks to bench your best receiver but against Revis you have to do it.
2009 Revis vs. AJ- 45 yds, Colston 33 yds, Roddy 33 yds, Reggie 33 yds. He might give up one 100+ game a season but odds very small of that occuring. Especially with the Cowboys since they have Dez, Witten and Felix that can catch.
 
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