NeoGAF Fantasy Football Paypal League (Season 3)

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Shit, I was looking at a different league. I'm in three GAF yahoo leagues on the same account. My mistake.

Anyway, I fucking HATE 3 WR leagues, especially with 16 players. When guys like Austin Collie are going in the 5th, there's a problem.
 
Cloudy said:
How about this for a top 5 split?

$325
$225
$125
$75
$50

5 of the 8 playoff teams getting a cut is pretty fair, no?
Can someone explain to me how a pay structure where an odd number of teams get money works? How does the 5th team get determined?
Because I can't wrap my head around that.

Puddles said:
To the owners in the NeoGAF Economy League, would you be interested in having the draft order set in advance instead of 30 minutes before the draft? This would give you time to look at players who might be available at each of your draft slots and formulate a strategy. However, it would partially remove the advantage that owners who have already spent a lot of time researching currently enjoy.
I've done plenty of research but would love to have advance knowledge of my draft slot to make things easier. I've got three drafts to prep for on Sunday so I'll take as much advance knowledge as possible beforehand to make things go more smoothly.

Puddles said:
Did you get any of Hillis, Torain, Blount or Brandon Lloyd?
Hillis, Torain and some idiot owner with an extra QB dumping Josh Freeman were the key ingredients in my unlikely 20-team league win.
 
Freeman, Blount, and Jacob Tamme were a big part of why I made the playoffs after a draft that included Pierre Thomas, Ryan Matthews, Jonathan Stewart, Brent Celek and Jay Cutler. Also, Roddy White was my 3rd round pick, and he was the #1 WR on the year.

Funny thing is I thought I made out like a bandit in that draft. :jakncoke
 
UberTag said:
Can someone explain to me how a pay structure where an odd number of teams get money works? How does the 5th team get determined?
Because I can't wrap my head around that.

Yahoo runs concurrent playoffs for their system. All non-playoff teams play to week 16 in their own "negative playoffs" to determine the final league order. (So just because you're last, doesn't mean you'll finish 16th). There are also relegation playoff matches for teams that made the playoffs but were eliminated. Exact same idea as the bronze medal game in Olympic Hockey. The winner is 3rd, the loser is 4th.

You can get a slight glimpse of the format by clicking the Playoffs tab (in Yahoo, where it says Standings/Schedule/Playoffs/All Time) and then clicking Consolation.
 
UberTag said:
Can someone explain to me how a pay structure where an odd number of teams get money works? How does the 5th team get determined?
Because I can't wrap my head around that.

Do you see a Season dropdown on the top of the 'League' page? If so pick last year and then pick Consolation. Basically, 5th place is the winner of the bracket formed by first round losers.


1st place - never lost
2nd place - only lost championship
3rd place - only lost semi finals, won 3rd place game
4th place - lost semi finals and 3rd place game
5th place - lost first round of main bracket, never lost in losers bracket.

Puddles said:
To the owners in the NeoGAF Economy League, would you be interested in having the draft order set in advance instead of 30 minutes before the draft? This would give you time to look at players who might be available at each of your draft slots and formulate a strategy. However, it would partially remove the advantage that owners who have already spent a lot of time researching currently enjoy.

If you guys want to do this, I'd probably also allow draft pick trades.

Sure, would be cool to get a chance to trade to my preferred spot.
 
On yahoo is W/R a flex? I'm assuming since wide receiver is WR. Seems like a confusing way to to it instead of RB/WR.
 
Crazymoogle said:
You can get a slight glimpse of the format by clicking the Playoffs tab (in Yahoo, where it says Standings/Schedule/Playoffs/All Time) and then clicking Consolation.
Oh yeah, the LOSER'S BRACKET. I always forget about those.

For some reason, I don't like the idea of a $50 prize being tied to the winner of the loser's bracket because it means those loser teams have incentive to steal valuable waiver wire pickups/free agents from people actually competing for the big prize.

I'd rather their rosters get frozen and that they can't interfere.
 
UberTag said:
Oh yeah, the LOSER'S BRACKET. I always forget about those.

For some reason, I don't like the idea of a $50 prize being tied to the winner of the loser's bracket because it means those loser teams have incentive to steal valuable waiver wire pickups/free agents from people actually competing for the big prize.

I'd rather their rosters get frozen and that they can't interfere.

Is that any worse than losers giving up and giving a free win to someone late in the season? The whole point of having a pay-league is so no one quits (thus the name)
 
minx88 said:
On yahoo is W/R a flex? I'm assuming since wide receiver is WR. Seems like a confusing way to to it instead of RB/WR.
Yes, W/R is WR/RB Flex. They call it that to fit within their 3 char limit.
 
minx88 said:
Try not to pick up too many of my players since I am picking the dreadful (IMO) 12th spot.

12th is fine, because you also get to pick 13th. So your first round pick isn't as good as the guy who picks first, but he doesn't get to pick again until pick 24. So maybe he gets Adrian Peterson, but his 2nd round guy is Miles Austin, while you get Mendenhall and Roddy White, or something like that.

So much luck involved though. Last year I took Ryan Matthews two spots ahead of the guy who took Arian Foster. I was looking at like 6-7 different ranking systems, and only 2 of them had Foster above Matthews. So yeah, that sure turned out well.

I've never had a pick in the top 6 though. I've always wondered what that would feel like.
 
Puddles said:
12th is fine, because you also get to pick 13th. So your first round pick isn't as good as the guy who picks first, but he doesn't get to pick again until pick 24. So maybe he gets Adrian Peterson, but his 2nd round guy is Miles Austin, while you get Mendenhall and Roddy White, or something like that.

So much luck involved though. Last year I took Ryan Matthews two spots ahead of the guy who took Arian Foster. I was looking at like 6-7 different ranking systems, and only 2 of them had Foster above Matthews. So yeah, that sure turned out well.

I've never had a pick in the top 6 though. I've always wondered what that would feel like.
Generally I like drafting where the last teir 1 RB ends which this year is 6th pick. Also in the middle so you don't need to reach on players you really like.
 
Okay, the $50 league is full. Unfortunately I had to drop AB because he didn't sign back in even though I'd fixed the issue for 2 days. I couldn't risk having an empty spot on draft night.

We are discussing the payout and what not on the league page. I'm posting my updated proposal for 4 winners (minus $5 to cover paypal fees cos 3 of you couldn't follow simple instructions!)
 
Now that THAT is over, is anyone willing to do a blind swap of a draft pick in any round of the draft?

How it would work is we agree to pick a round to swap picks. Cloudy (as Commissioner) oversees it and makes it official. Now I don't think he activated Draft Day trades, so when that pick comes up you'd have to tell the person who you want to pick and vice versa. After the draft is over the trade commences.

It's a rather interesting way to beat a snake draft. Imagine if you get a Top 4 pick and you make a 2nd round trade with someone picking 14th, in the 2nd round you'd get the 3rd pick... that's huge. Obviously luck is the only factor, you might wind up trading out of the Top 4. Now that's if you wanted to trade in the 1st round, you can pick any round to swap picks in. Hell if you're interested in seeing how it works but don't want to do it this year you can swap picks in the 15th-16th round for all I care. Up to you guys!

Remember, Sunday September 4 9:30pm EST is Draft Time. PM me round offers!
 
Cloudy said:
Is that any worse than losers giving up and giving a free win to someone late in the season? The whole point of having a pay-league is so no one quits (thus the name)
Totally unrelated issue. I'm completely on board with teams playing out the full 13-week season schedule and not giving up until the very end. I'm just a proponent of the fantasy season replicating the NFL.

Once the playoffs start, the teams on the outside looking in shouldn't be able to directly impact folks fighting it out in the winner's bracket. That's my philosophy at any rate.
 
UberTag said:
Totally unrelated issue. I'm completely on board with teams playing out the full 13-week season schedule and not giving up until the very end. I'm just a proponent of the fantasy season replicating the NFL.

Once the playoffs start, the teams on the outside looking in shouldn't be able to directly impact folks fighting it out in the winner's bracket. That's my philosophy at any rate.
Cloudy could implement that rule for the League. Once the season ends and you're not in, no waiver moves for non-playoff teams. It'd be different if this was a Franchise League.
Is the draft order set? If so could someone message me my pick.
Unknown until 30 minutes before the draft.
 
UberTag said:
Once the playoffs start, the teams on the outside looking in shouldn't be able to directly impact folks fighting it out in the winner's bracket. That's my philosophy at any rate.

We've run this league for 2 years and I've never seen ANYTHING like that happen but I could lock the teams if Yahoo doesn't do that already. Non-playoff teams aren't included in the brackets so WTF would be the point?
 
In the NeoGAF Economy League, I changed the waiver type to Free Agent Acquisition Budget. I played in a league with that setup last year, and it was WAY more fun.
 
I thought I should clear up a bit of who is who so far:


*TD's N' Beer - minx88
PrimeTime - Sumidor
*Rooks - Ferny
*Sinistar - Sinistar
Hookers And Blow - Azwethinkweiz
*Puddles of Win - Puddles
*Long Island Broskis - UberTag
*Ku Klux Klams - mr2xxx
*FirstPlaceLoser - kememsi
Good As Gould - rinker
Bail Kings (NeoGAF) - Crazymoogle
Ember Island Players - GCQuinton
Dinner Out - Cloudy's relative (ringer!)
The Big Blue Crew 3 - Me
Romo Wittenhispants - acksman
Peyton's Creaky Neck - Cloudy


* - rookies to Cloudy's league
 
Puddles said:
Shit, I was looking at a different league. I'm in three GAF yahoo leagues on the same account. My mistake.

Anyway, I fucking HATE 3 WR leagues, especially with 16 players. When guys like Austin Collie are going in the 5th, there's a problem.



Agreed. Thats why I limit to leagues with less than 12 so that the last 3 round im not picking up scrubs that are back ups to the back ups.

I got lucky twice doing that(P.thomas and Blount) but its tossing up coin and guessing.


Anyways good luck all in your leagues
 
Puddles said:
In the NeoGAF Economy League, I changed the waiver type to Free Agent Acquisition Budget. I played in a league with that setup last year, and it was WAY more fun.
FAAB is definitely the fairest. Much as I like standard waivers for its simplicity, what always happens is that the top owners can squirrel away top waiver priority because they don't need to use waivers right away. FAAB ensures that everyone has a shot at the next big free agent, but also penalizes anyone who went in too big on the one before.

(FAAB: All players have $100 of bidding money, and can use that to secretly big on players during waivers. Want Ryan Grant after his breakout week? You just have to outbid everyone else. But if you bid $100, you've got no shot at anyone thereafter.)
 
Does the $100 last you the whole season, or each week, or how does that work? Never used that before...


*half ass-edly prepares for draft at noon
 
The Frankman said:
I thought I should clear up a bit of who is who so far:


*TD's N' Beer
PrimeTime - Sumidor
*Rooks
*Sinistar - Sinistar
Hookers And Blow - Azwethinkweiz
*Puddles of Win - Puddles
*Long Island Broskis - UberTag
*Ku Klux Klams
*FirstPlaceLoser
Good As Gould - rinker
Bail Kings (NeoGAF) - Crazymoogle
Ember Island Players - GCQuinton
Dinner Out - Cloudy's relative (ringer!)
The Big Blue Crew 3 - Me
Romo Wittenhispants - acksman
Peyton's Creaky Neck - Cloudy


* - rookies to Cloudy's league
I'm TD's N' Beer
 
Crazymoogle said:
FAAB is definitely the fairest. Much as I like standard waivers for its simplicity, what always happens is that the top owners can squirrel away top waiver priority because they don't need to use waivers right away. FAAB ensures that everyone has a shot at the next big free agent, but also penalizes anyone who went in too big on the one before.

You can do that in non-auction leagues? In the $50 league, I have it set to "Weekly rolling list based on standings". This seems to fairest to me and helps keep the bottom teams competitive if the owners are paying attention
 
Last year, I was in an ESPN league where the commissioner gave out weekly trophies sarcastically praising the highest and lowest scoring teams. Does anyone know if yahoo has that option?
 
Just finished Economy draft. 12 teams. Picked 3rd overall.

We start QB, WR, WR, RB, RB, W/R, TE, DEF

My starting lineup:

B. Roethlisberger
V. Jackson
S. Holmes
A. Foster
M. Forte
B. Wells
O. Daniels
Saints/Falcons
 
QB: Matt Ryan
RB: Darren McFadden
RB: Michael Turner
WR: DeSean Jackson
WR: Dwayne Bowe
TE: Jason Witten
Flex: Santana Moss
D/ST: New York

Bench: Kenny Britt, Lance Moore, C.J. Spiller, Jacoby Ford, Ryan Torain, Matt Cassell

This team putting up their stats from last year makes the playoffs easily. It's lacking that one sexy superstar that most teams have. Thought about taking Megatron or Fitz with the 11th pick or Roddy with the 14th, but I really didn't like the RBs that were projected to be remaining when I picked again at 35 and 38, so I took the best RBs remaining. I think it worked out alright, as I got Jackson and Bowe with my late 3rd/early 4th picks. The best RBs left at those slots were Ingram, DeAngelo Williams, Cedric Benson and Jahvid Best (I'm not buying into Beanie Wells).

Didn't mean to take a defense so early, but I forgot to drag the guy I actually wanted into my queue, and it auto-picked NYG for me. Oh well.

Overall, I think I got good value at every draft spot EXCEPT my 1st, but if McFadden puts up numbers similar to last year, I'll be happy with that.
 
McFadden's projections are ALL OVER the place. Some rankings have him as high as the #6 RB, others have him as low as 14. We'll find out.
 
I changed return yards from 20 yards per point to 25 yards per point. I took a look at the stats and found that guys who return a lot were actually overvalued a bit in a fantasy sense. There were a few return specialists who were projected to outscore starting RBs, which shouldn't happen. Return yards should be a bonus, not a bread and butter stat, and most leagues that count return yardage set it at 25 per point, so I made the change.

If anyone feels strongly about this, send me an email, pm, or reply.
 
Puddles said:
I changed return yards from 20 yards per point to 25 yards per point. I took a look at the stats and found that guys who return a lot were actually overvalued a bit in a fantasy sense. There were a few return specialists who were projected to outscore starting RBs, which shouldn't happen. Return yards should be a bonus, not a bread and butter stat, and most leagues that count return yardage set it at 25 per point, so I made the change.

If anyone feels strongly about this, send me an email, pm, or reply.

You should have taken a look at this before the draft. Changing scoring rules after a draft is a HUGE no-no. People drafted based on what the rules were.
 
Haha, you would feel strongly about it, Mr. Owner of Darren Sproles, Percy Harvin and LaRod Stevens-Howling. :lol

What's done is done, I guess. I set it back to 20.

FYI, I have Spiller and Jacoby Ford, so devaluing return yards would have hurt my team as well.
 
Well the whole point is you never do a rule/scoring change post-draft unless to fix a exploited loophole.

Dammit SOMEONE better make me an offer here. Under 3.5 hours here!
 
rinker said:
lol damn i didnt notice that setting - no wonder hester had such high projections
Yeah I just noticed the return yards as points as well. Not a fan. So Hester is predicted to score more points than any of my running backs? Pretty stupid.
 
You guys didn't look over the scoring settings thoroughly?

The goal was to make the fantasy points more accurately reflect a player's value to the team, but I really should have looked more closely at the projections. 20 yards per point is too few. It should have been 25 or maybe even 30.

I assumed everyone had looked over the settings and was fine with them, since I didn't get any messages about it. If some owners didn't even realize return yards were counted, but Alex Anderson based his whole draft strategy around it, that's a problem.
 
Just over an hour away until the big draft. This will be Number 5 overall for me... and the third draft today.

Very happy with three of my teams. Not so much with my Economy League boom-or-bust squad but at least it will be a fun group to mess around with.
 
Looked at it again. I think it's fine. Yahoo's single-game projections are a bunch of bullshit, IMO. Hester returned 991 yards last year, which would be 49.55 points in our system. I have no idea why they're projecting him to score so many next week. No one is going to win the league with a full-time kick returner as their flex.

They're projecting Hester to put up 2000 return yards this year, which is pretty laughable. They're also projecting a guy named Eric Weems to return 2,350 yards. None of these things have any chance of happening.
 
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