reinking
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17 days and counting....Another day.....another Xbox is dead thread
NeoGAF - is Xbox dead?
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JohnnyTropics
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I got my first Playstation in 1997. I got the PS2 at launch, and the fat PS3 before anyone knew if bluray would win out. I had a PS4 at launch.
Somewhere in there, at some point in time, I bought an XboxOne to play with a buddy of mine who moved far away. I downloaded a bunch of exclusives, then sold it off after a year or 2 of not playing. Fast forward to the pandemic, and I had money to burn and boredom to kill, so I bought an S series, figuring what the hell, it's economical and Gamepass seemed intriguing.
I booted it up, and was greeted with a prompt to redownload all my old games. Hmmm? What's that mean? Surely they must be talking about compatible games? Nope. Every Xboxone game I had owned, I could bring forward. Then I plunked down my cash for gamepass, and signed on figuring it would be some sort of scam. Nope--great full-length games, available to download at my liesure.
I am going to say this as plainly as I can: I am convinced that the xbox hate on this website is not only completely inorganic, but a coordinated astroturf campaign by invested parties to tarnish Microsoft's reputation.
I am a rational, middle-aged consumer. I have owned more consoles than most. I have no system, game franchise, or corporate loyalty. I play PC games from the 90s for nostalgia, Nintendo games with my son, sony exclusives... I've trophy farmed with the best of them. I platinumed Uncharted before you knew what Uncharted was. For the LIFE OF ME, I cannot fathom why any rational, red blooded American video game player would have anything bad to say about Xbox. And no, trying to get me to boo hoo about developers losing money isn't going to cut it in a post-gamergate world. 99% of studio costs are bloat to bring women and men dressing as women onboard for panoramic goodboy social media pictures.
The steady drumbeat on here of Xbox being a failing brand is sickening, and has nothing to do with actually playing video games. They have an amazing sale right now: I just bought so many ps3 era games for like, 4$. Why? Because I don't want to keep a PS3 plugged in in my living room, with a jet-engine volume level disc drive burning a hole through my entertainment center, just to be able to play Bioshock. Now, with a 3$ purchase, I'll have access to that game for the next 20 years, digitally. There is no way, as a consumer and fellow gamer, you could hear that and be like "yeah... but," unless you are an Indian paid by Sony to post "yeah... but".
Somewhere in there, at some point in time, I bought an XboxOne to play with a buddy of mine who moved far away. I downloaded a bunch of exclusives, then sold it off after a year or 2 of not playing. Fast forward to the pandemic, and I had money to burn and boredom to kill, so I bought an S series, figuring what the hell, it's economical and Gamepass seemed intriguing.
I booted it up, and was greeted with a prompt to redownload all my old games. Hmmm? What's that mean? Surely they must be talking about compatible games? Nope. Every Xboxone game I had owned, I could bring forward. Then I plunked down my cash for gamepass, and signed on figuring it would be some sort of scam. Nope--great full-length games, available to download at my liesure.
I am going to say this as plainly as I can: I am convinced that the xbox hate on this website is not only completely inorganic, but a coordinated astroturf campaign by invested parties to tarnish Microsoft's reputation.
I am a rational, middle-aged consumer. I have owned more consoles than most. I have no system, game franchise, or corporate loyalty. I play PC games from the 90s for nostalgia, Nintendo games with my son, sony exclusives... I've trophy farmed with the best of them. I platinumed Uncharted before you knew what Uncharted was. For the LIFE OF ME, I cannot fathom why any rational, red blooded American video game player would have anything bad to say about Xbox. And no, trying to get me to boo hoo about developers losing money isn't going to cut it in a post-gamergate world. 99% of studio costs are bloat to bring women and men dressing as women onboard for panoramic goodboy social media pictures.
The steady drumbeat on here of Xbox being a failing brand is sickening, and has nothing to do with actually playing video games. They have an amazing sale right now: I just bought so many ps3 era games for like, 4$. Why? Because I don't want to keep a PS3 plugged in in my living room, with a jet-engine volume level disc drive burning a hole through my entertainment center, just to be able to play Bioshock. Now, with a 3$ purchase, I'll have access to that game for the next 20 years, digitally. There is no way, as a consumer and fellow gamer, you could hear that and be like "yeah... but," unless you are an Indian paid by Sony to post "yeah... but".
Legit one of the most cringe posts I have ever read on here, bravo
Radical_3d
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Yeah. It's called backwards compatibility. It was in many of those PS systems you claim to have.
DenimDevil
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Reading this thread, it seems everyone has a different opinion on when "Xbox died". But they all have one thing in common.
reinking
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If it was just this site, I might be on board. Even their own social media warriors (that are compensated) are turning on them.
DenimDevil
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Cringe all you want, he's 100% right.
When I read "I had my first PlayStation in 1997," I already knew it was a "look how much better the Xbox is, it converted a PlayStation superfan" post
Don't you guys, I don't know, bots, Astroturfing, organized fanboys on Discord, spew the same filth all over the internet?
If I were an Astroturfer, the first thing I would do is accuse EVERYONE ELSE of being an Astroturfer.
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DeltaPolarBear
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It's what Japan called a "Zombie Division". Although in the case of Japan, it is about financially supporting failed businesses with government money. Xbox was a failed business that was supported by the Microsoft Enterprise money. The reason we are talking about it for so long is because a failed business doesn't usually improve unless they actually change what they are doing. And they usually don't change until they close down.Another day.....another Xbox is dead thread
Xbox, had it been left to stand on its own, would have ceased operations last gen. Xbox had always burned money, and now the warchest is empty and MS is demanding that the empty chest be refilled. Xbox might not be allowed to die yet until they paid back some of the money spent.
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bitbydeath
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Hi Phil.
That Damn Kid
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Damn, did I waste $120 on this XSS I bought at a yard sale yesterday?
ChorizoPicozo
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You know what is actually sickening?
When executives present themselves as "one of us," spouting PR talk and insulting the intelligence of "gamers," then you add influencers, shills, and ignorant/spineless media parroting those talking points, which your average fanboys listen to and believe ; creating the most toxic and retarded gaming discourse.
It's all about gaming; the games. So why the fuck do these morons at Xbox keep talking about "The Strategy," "The Vision," "The Xbox Community and fans," and "The Business Intentions" of their pivots, about how they're "saving gaming," but keep failing at the most fundamental part of this industry... making games? And when they talk about and promise games "at quality," they always keep disappointing their fans and the entire industry.
I'm peacefully enjoying the "death of Xbox" (you can't even imagine it), and I can't wait for another round of layoffs, studio closures, and all the shitshow around Xbox. Because every time it happens, I remember that NO ONE (especially Xbox-centric media and influencers) did their due diligence to inform people of the risks and inevitable negative outcomes of the Zenimax and ABK acquisitions. So, fuck 'em, fuck 'em real good and fuck'em harder every time they try to spin and damage control Phil´s mistakes while advocating for a garbage brand/company and strategy that doesn't even have a future.
"Our acquisition"… and "our layoffs." Am I right? Isn't that sickening? To realize that every motherfucker pushing these acquisitions was also pushing for the layoffs, studio closures, and the complete disarray of the Xbox division?.....makes you think, uh?
roosnam1980
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the video needs its own thread , has good info presented by alanah pearce
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Asking for more layoffs and studio closures is going too far. It's not the workers or studios fault the shareholders sold and the media/influencers bullshitted people. Definitely fuck some of the xbox centric media and influencers though.You know what is actually sickening?
When executives present themselves as "one of us," spouting PR talk and insulting the intelligence of "gamers," then you add influencers, shills, and ignorant/spineless media parroting those talking points, which your average fanboys listen to and believe ; creating the most toxic and retarded gaming discourse.
It's all about gaming; the games. So why the fuck do these morons at Xbox keep talking about "The Strategy," "The Vision," "The Xbox Community and fans," and "The Business Intentions" of their pivots, about how they're "saving gaming," but keep failing at the most fundamental part of this industry... making games? And when they talk about and promise games "at quality," they always keep disappointing their fans and the entire industry.
I'm peacefully enjoying the "death of Xbox" (you can't even imagine it), and I can't wait for another round of layoffs, studio closures, and all the shitshow around Xbox. Because every time it happens, I remember that NO ONE (especially Xbox-centric media and influencers) did their due diligence to inform people of the risks and inevitable negative outcomes of the Zenimax and ABK acquisitions. So, fuck 'em, fuck 'em real good and fuck'em harder every time they try to spin and damage control Phil´s mistakes while advocating for a garbage brand/company and strategy that doesn't even have a future.
"Our acquisition"… and "our layoffs." Am I right? Isn't that sickening? To realize that every motherfucker pushing these acquisitions was also pushing for the layoffs, studio closures, and the complete disarray of the Xbox division?.....makes you think, uh?
At least DF(John) regretted supporting that acquisition
but I'm not sure if that was actually genuine regret or if DF are just feeling the lack of interest in their channel now that xbox is mostly dead. Now that xbox users (majority Series S owners) aren't even buying games to be caring about how it runs in comparison to other systems anyway, majority know it runs worse on S already too.
I bet most of the media can't wait until xbox announce the next console and we get back into them addressing or sometimes supporting FUD campaigns online about "not sustained clocks", "PS5 lacking raytracing hardware vs XSX", "your house will burn down", "RDNA1.5", "No VRS/SFS", and all the other inconsequential bullshit that goes around near console launch. Engagement will soon be off the charts again for them.
RetroGamingUK
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RetroGamingUK
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Stafford
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For a second I thought I entered a DreamcastChump thread. They are very much alive and kicking. Yes what happened was very shitty but this industry is shitty. I just want to game and have a good time in my free time. If they make a new system, I will be there, whatever happens like this game goes to PS5 and that service goes there is all noise to me.
All fine with me.
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SkylineRKR
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Damn, did I waste $120 on this XSS I bought at a yard sale yesterday?
Its a great console that was simply a bit overpriced next to the PS5 DE.
But in any case its an excellent system if you can pick it up for cheap. Its a great way to play classics like Ninja Gaiden 2, Dead Space 2 and Mirrors Edge which are much better than on any Playstation. I still use mine for Killer Instinct, which doesn't even require a sub to play online.
Its also an awesome emulator box if you're into that. Should run Gamecube games.
TrippleA345
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Fess
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Xbox as a traditional console is dead on the market, regarding new purchases. Sales has dropped like a rock everywhere now. If they release another traditional console without any increase in popularity before launch it'll be a historical bomb.
For a second I thought I entered a DreamcastChump thread. They are very much alive and kicking. Yes what happened was very shitty but this industry is shitty. I just want to game and have a good time in my free time. If they make a new system, I will be there, whatever happens like this game goes to PS5 and that service goes there is all noise to me.
All fine with me.
But "Xbox" as a brand and platform outside of traditional consoles obviously isn't dead. You'll see "Xbox" all over the place going forward, they're about to flood the market with branded devices, like the Ally and rumoured OEM devices, and has announced the AMD partnership for silicone and a plan to improve Xbox App and gaming in general on Windows.
RetroGamingUK
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The question is though, is anyone going to buy these things in significant numbers?
Microsoft Gaming can thrive as a third party, but I think the Xbox brand will wither away and become a small niche (if it hasn't already).
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RetroGamingUK
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Yeah remember that discord server where Sony shills plotted a huge FUD campaign across forums and social media?
Oh wait, that was Xbox shills.
Stafford
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Yeah, they are in a very weird position. I've been gaming on Xbox hardware since the very first one and it's always been my main console ever since. At first when they started their multiplatform approach I didn't really like it, because I feel competing is healthy for this market but it clearly didn't work for them for so many reasons.
Nowadays I really don't care if they decide that any first party game goes to PS5 and such, I just want to game. I still prefer their ecosystem, their controller, I got my whole backlog on there, all my buddies are on there too. So it's good to know that a new system is being made, could potentially be their last, but we'll cross that bridge when we get there.
In the scenario that it doesn't work out, no new system after all, Xbox completely and solely a publisher, meaning I need to get a PS as main.....I'd rather not, but there are way worse things in life. We'll see what happens.
I'm not sure what's so funny?
demigod
My comment is perfectly fine and reasonable, but ok.
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Fess
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Individual devices don't have to sell in significant numbers for the brand to stay alive if the brand and multiple devices is seen everywhere. At this point they want to push mass exposure.
They've pulled these brand visibility strings for a long time, especially on PC with a naming strategy of apps and features, but they're ramping it up now with more devices.
And if you pay attention to how the social media shills talk you'll notice an exaggerated use of the word "Xbox", often said when they should've said Microsoft. - Xbox is doing this, Xbox is doing that, at Xbox, etc. They want to hammer in the Xbox label into everybody's head. You don't see anyone doing that with Office. - Office is acquiring LibreOffice! Office is sacking 10 thousand people!"
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RetroGamingUK
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I think one of the reasons Xbox One did initially was a lag of goodwill from the early 360 days.
I'd say Xbox as a whole peaked in 2007 with the likes of Halo 2, Bioshock, Mass Effect…
You think? If someone made the same post about PlayStation there'd be people on here wanting them tried in The Hague.
Fess
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I was here when PC ports of Xbox games were appearing. The talk among the most devoted fans was all reversed.Yeah, they are in a very weird position. I've been gaming on Xbox hardware since the very first one and it's always been my main console ever since. At first when they started their multiplatform approach I didn't really like it, because I feel competing is healthy for this market but it clearly didn't work for them for so many reasons.
Nowadays I really don't care if they decide that any first party game goes to PS5 and such, I just want to game. I still prefer their ecosystem, their controller, I got my whole backlog on there, all my buddies are on there too. So it's good to know that a new system is being made, could potentially be their last, but we'll cross that bridge when we get there.
In the scenario that it doesn't work out, no new system after all, Xbox completely and solely a publisher, meaning I need to get a PS as main.....I'd rather not, but there are way worse things in life. We'll see what happens.
- Then there were PlayStation fans telling people they should just ignore Xbox and buy a PC and Xbox fans cried over PC ports.
- Now there are Xbox fans telling people they should just ignore PlayStation and buy a PC and PlayStation fans cry over PC ports.
In the end people just need to chill. Changes can be stressful but it's not the end of the world. If your body can physically do it you'll still play games 30 years from now. That's what's important.
Personally I don't care if it says Xbox or Steam or ASUS or MSI or Nvidia or Netflix or Apple or whatever on the box or app launching the games. As long as I can play the games I'm fine.
If the platform completely vanish I just hope there is some preservation community around that still let me play the games in some way or form. Worst case scenario I'll just keep the consoles. I still have a bunch of Commodore computers from the days when Commodore was a giant.
Edgelord79
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No.
But it may change with next week's Xbox thread.
But it may change with next week's Xbox thread.
HeisenbergFX4
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Does it work?Damn, did I waste $120 on this XSS I bought at a yard sale yesterday?
Even if Xbox stops making future hardware are they going to shut off current hardware?
You are fine
djjinx2
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The hate does seem very forced and coordinated I agree.
It's like Xbox astroturfers and the latest "marching orders" gets banded about. There's no one left here cheering Xbox to be an Astroturfer. Meanwhile there's a good 20 odd posters with upto like 30 posts per Xbox thread constantly shit posting.
You will just get laughed at for saying this however. As will this post.
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Microsoft has themselves demonstrates there was room in PC market for 'premium branding' when they launched the Surface line, and frankly that was one of the best things to have happened to PC market in general in last decade.
Now sure - they then killed it off a few years later themselves and fired the only person that knew how to make a product in MS (thanks for nothing Satya), but that's an aside. The concept worked - and it could still work carrying another brand - eg. XBox.
Will they pull it off? Probably not - again see above, MS doesn't have the people competencies nor the tenacity to see anything through without half-assing it 5 minutes in, but that doesn't mean the strategy is flawed in of itself.
Also Satya is probably eyeing the opportunities to sell the entire thing off if he can reinvest that $ into AI tomorrow instead - it's just that - selling an even bigger publishing arm after the ordeal they already had - probably isn't on the cards anytime soon.
That'll be entirely down to the branding though no? Right now there 'is' no more MS Gaming brand to speak of - it's all XBox publishing etc etc.
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DeltaPolarBear
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We are talking about MICROSOFT. Of course that is possible. It might not even be intentional, they could just pull the plug on the online check-in and kill the hardware that way.
JimmyF
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should have bought that Wii UDamn, did I waste $120 on this XSS I bought at a yard sale yesterday?
HeisenbergFX4
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I would bet massive amounts of money they will not kill all their existing hardware anytime in any remotely close future
Xbox 360 slim
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PS5's lack of PS3 backwards compatibility is why i could never main the platform. I love trophies though. But that's killer. Imagine playing dead space 1 but yky can't play 2 or 3. Or fallout 4. You gotta lug around aging PS3 hardware. And the PS3 ports of new vegas and fallout 3 are literally unplayable.
Xbox 360 slim
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Remember when sony fans cried so hard about PC ports, insominacs head went on twitter and said "what the hell is wrong with you people". Both sides are hilariously goofy. Xbox fanboys and their "all part of the plan". And sony fanboys bloodthirsty defense of exclusivity, and desire for everyone to only play on sony hardware. I mean, half the banned neogaf posters, end up in iconera, ffs.
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