Got one of these in the mail last week. Great price for the watch honestly. I'm curious to see what the new white dial will look like on the new version in the next few weeks. I might have to double dip on a second one if it looks good.
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Got one of these in the mail last week. Great price for the watch honestly. I'm curious to see what the new white dial will look like on the new version in the next few weeks. I might have to double dip on a second one if it looks good.
flamingotripod
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Whats the quality on one of these? Thinking about getting one
Jason's Ultimatum
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Look into Bernhardt watches. Amazing quality and they're cheap. If I had to choose a dive watch under $300, it'd be the Sea Shark. It also has sapphire crystal.
That or the Binnacle Anchor may be my next purchase in the future.
That or the Binnacle Anchor may be my next purchase in the future.
GalacticSushiman
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ok, basically what i am looking for is something that will accurately keep track of the months? do most watches with the dates do that? what happens after the 30th day of a given month?
if thats perpetual movement and thats why they are so expensive, then i dont require that right now. something that looks like this will do. but this one is about 43.5mm in size, i need something smaller...say 38mm - 40mm.
You will have to adjust your watch every other month. Let me propose the 40mm Orient Union:
Another victim of the watch virus...
Movado is a once respected brand that lost a bit of his luster since the 80s and their acquisition.
The design you have (black dial, with a white 'sun' at 12) dates back to 1947, invented by Orwitt from the Bauhaus school, and is considered a classic today.
until the 70s Movado was a well respected brand with lots of meaning, but in the 80s they decided to go mainstream and compete more with the Seikos of this world, than with Rolex as it once did, they also did not bring anything relevant on the table to the horology industry in the past 30 years.
That said they have a clean and recognizable design, which is key in the watch world, they date back to the 19th century, and they are usually priced ok, so, why not?
Thanks for the info! Any recommendations for a more casual watch around 2-$300 range? I'm looking for something with maybe a leather band or even plastic if it has the right look.
GalacticSushiman
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Always hard without much info on the genre (sporty, dressy, everyday...), but I guess I can start on 'casual', how about a IWC Portuguese Hommage from Parnis?
They are a bit big (43mm), but based on a timeless design, one of my favorite tbh, and are unbeatable when it comes to quality/price.
You can find it here. For not even a third of your budget
GalacticSushiman
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All of those are fine choices.
Nomos is special, they are based in Glashutte and share the town with Lange and Glashutte Original, 2 monsters in the horological industry, unlike Tag/Longines in the same price range they have in-house movements since 2005 (big deal, and the reason for the price), and they have a great dial design which has been covered with awards.
Orient and Stowa, and other ETA/Myota movements based brands are fine watches, no question, but Nomos is just another league. And if you ask me, they could ask for a LOT more than they actually do and still be credible.
the stowa is a great cheaper nomos alternative imo
For the price? Very good. Obviously I haven't had it long so I can't say much about how reliable it will be long term but so far I'm loving it. If you're looking for some more opinions, particularly from folks more educated in this stuff, there's a 27 page thread over on Watchuseek.
I'm secretly hoping that the alternate white face they're putting out will be an imitation of a Stowa rather than Nomos like the existing one.
BrettWeir
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lol. I coddle the hell out of it.
GalacticSushiman
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If not for the budget, the Nomos Weltzeit is the perfect choice (and more).
If budget is an absolute constraint, then Citizen Eco Drive World Perpetual?
Here for half your budget.
Nomos is definitely next on my list.
And then hopefully a Dornbluth after that.
I'm not sure why I'm on a German binge.
GalacticSushiman
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I am a Sinn/Glashutte Original/Lange/Nomos/Dornbluth guy too it seems... German watchmaking FTW!
If not for the budget, the Nomos Weltzeit is the perfect choice (and more).
Wow that is perfect... Outside of the price. Not sure I can justify that purchase.
I'm not sure that citizen is exactly what I'm looking for. I'll continue looking, and maybe talking myself into that Nomos.
Lovely. Good to see another Maurice Lacroix user on here too! Mobile shots of my Squelette!
DSLR shot.
Lovely. Good to see another Maurice Lacroix user on here too! Mobile shots of my Squelette!
DSLR shot.
Absolutely glorious. I salute you sir!
Oh I see lol. Well, yet is the important bit. I must say, there are several Maurice Lacroix pieces I think look stunning that are far more affordable than some of the Tag's, Rolex's and Omega's I've seen about. Like with a lot of things, there seems to be a tremendous gulf in pricing depending on the design and movement.
I have a Maurice Lacroix brochure and there's quite a difference between the different movements they do. Also, If you don't mind second hand watches, you can get some killer deals about.
Thank you kind Sir
The only absurd part about Nomos is their US pricing.
Prices in Europe include VAT, which is a 19% tax. Even if you take THAT price and run it through a currency exchange, the USD price is STILL hundreds higher. It's crazy.
Apparently the way to get a Nomos is to look for UK/German sellers, get them to take off VAT, and ship to the US for you. Ends up being a much, much more reasonable price.
Jason's Ultimatum
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ME LIKEY
GalacticSushiman
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GalacticSushiman
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FYI, watchbuy prices include all taxes, except if you live in north carolina. I have 2 friends who ordered from them (NY and SFO), and they were not charged a dollar more than the actual price. It would be different for Canada though.
Now, just for fun, let's take the Weltzeit:
WatchBuy: $5700
NOMOS Store: 4080 euros, which is $5440.
If you consider that taxes are roughly 18.7% in UE for luxury goods and roughly 17% in North America, this gets to 0 (basically, if you could order from UE, you would pay it without the UE taxes, as for Stowas, but then would pay the US tax when receiving the package, 'pretty much' getting to the same price). Now, let's not forget duties, pretty much 5% additional on watches, which means $272, surprise, 5440+272 = $5712.
Are you sure the prices are that crazy?
FYI, watchbuy prices include all taxes, except if you live in north carolina. I have 2 friends who ordered from them (NY and SFO), and they were not charged a dollar more than the actual price. It would be different for Canada though.
Now, just for fun, let's take the Weltzeit:
WatchBuy: $5700
NOMOS Store: 4080 euros, which is $5440.
If you consider that taxes are roughly 18.7% in UE for luxury goods and roughly 17% in North America, this gets to 0 (basically, if you could order from UE, you would pay it without the UE taxes, as for Stowas, but then would pay the US tax when receiving the package, 'pretty much' getting to the same price). Now, let's not forget duties, pretty much 5% additional on watches, which means $272, surprise, 5440+272 = $5712.
Are you sure the prices are that crazy?
Yes.
When I ordered the Stowa, I was able to buy it without VAT. There were customs duties to pay, but no other taxes; the customs duty is the tax. FedEx covered it first, then billed me for it after receiving the package. Because I ordered croco straps, there was an additional customs duty levied for those. But no sales tax. And everything was done as a sale internationally with correct papers. No attempts to avoid paying any fees.
The amount in customs I had to pay for the watch? $13.
19% matters a lot when we're talking about thousands of dollars for the original price. And then for some inexplicable reason there's another $250 surcharge in addition to VAT. That seems like a substantial difference to me, for what is the exact same product.
Jason's Ultimatum
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Davosa Argonaut:
I like it a lot.
Is Davosa a good brand? I like looking into not known brands outside the WIS.
I like it a lot.
Is Davosa a good brand? I like looking into not known brands outside the WIS.
GalacticSushiman
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Ok, but technically you SHOULD have paid duties + taxes for your Stowa. You were lucky
Is that true? I'm not trying to be argumentative, but I've never seen that mentioned anywhere else before when discussing international purchases.
GalacticSushiman
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Oh yes, taxes are required on ALL purchases when you are the end user (VS an investment from a company, which will modify the product to resale it), but are only payable to the country of which you are a citizen. That explains how you can get the VAT back on purchases abroad, and also ask for a non VAT purchase online. That does not mean that you are above taxes at all, you are a normal citizen, and countries are not ok with you not paying any taxes
The only exception is a tax/duty free shop in an international space.
That said, at the end of the day this is just luck and nothing else. You will find people in all situations (never paid anything, paid twice, paid duties and not taxes...), that does not mean it's the rule though
Oh yes, taxes are required on ALL purchases when you are the end user (VS an investment from a company, which will modify the product to resale it), but are only payable to the country of which you are a citizen. That explains how you can get the VAT back on purchases abroad, and also ask for a non VAT purchase online. That does not mean that you are above taxes at all, you are a normal citizen, and countries are not ok with you not paying any taxes
The only exception is a tax/duty free shop in an international space.
I think you are confusing taxes and duties (or perhaps not considering this from the perspective of a non-EU resident). Check out this, which is taken from what looks to be the UK's revenue service, http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/vat/managing/international/exports/goods.htm:
On a different note: here's my new bronze watch. I like it so far, but am not 100% sold. I should decide soon in case I want a return. Although the decision is somewhat odd, since the allure of bronze is how it ages. Regardless -- opinions?
GalacticSushiman
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I am not sure what you mean but I know the difference between both. And taxes are always required for end users... So...
For the Benarus, it's definitely original and has a great standout. Too big and Hublot-esque for me, but that's pure personnal taste.
What it says here is 'you don't need to pay VAT if you are not a EU resident/citizen' which is one of my point, it never says it's ok not to pay the taxes of your country though...
Check out my edit above. Taxes are not always required for purchasers. For example, online sales in the US were traditionally tax free, although that is going away. And now I guess I am supposed to put something on my 1040, aren't I?
Anyways, US import tax, if it applies, has gotta be less than VAT, right?
GalacticSushiman
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The edit ist just stating what we all know: if exported, a good is not subject to the EU VAT. But obviously it does not mean one doesn't pay ANY tax on those, it's just not VAT, it's the local tax.
And I am not sure about your 'tax less online purchase', can you enlighten me?
edit: US taxes + duties are more than 18.7% (although not much, usually around 20%). US taxes alone are a bit less though.
Hate to derail what is clearly the most important thread on GAF into a tax analysis, but nonetheless:
1. As for tax free online shopping -- that's one of the major selling points for online shopping, like Amazon and Newegg, Check out http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/2012/11/24/you-can-still-escape-sales-tax-online/ or http://www.sba.gov/content/collecting-sales-tax-over-internet or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_tax
2. Not sure what you mean by "local tax" or "US Taxes." There is no federal sales tax, and states (for me, Illinois) don't collect sales tax on anything bought outside the state and delivered to me if the seller doesn't have a "nexus" (generally understood to mean a physical presence) with the state itself.
Edit -- not to mention some states have no sales tax on prepared goods.
GalacticSushiman
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Will continue in PM, you are right about this being the most important and sublime thread of Gaf. To try and redeem myself, here is a pic from the new Hermes/JLC desk watch, only $40k.
Hey now, I am also interested in this part of the discussion.
But to pwack: I want to echo the earlier thought that the watch is a standout. It does have a unique look for a diver. What are you undecided about?
iamcool388
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My father recently bought a watch that I think is quite nice. It looks sophisticated and provides tons of information while looking very clean.
I'm currently wearing this, I have it in Black.
I'm currently wearing this, I have it in Black.
MistakenMobius
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GAF, i need you help:
I'm going to Chennai, South India for 6 weeks for work, what timepiece should i bring?
I'd like to limit myself to 2
The Steinhart ocent GMT is on the list because the GMT function of the ETA 2893-2 will be useful even if not as elegant as a true GMT movement you can get on a Rolex GMT or a IWC ZTC and the Zenith is staying home because it's a family watch.
I'm going to Chennai, South India for 6 weeks for work, what timepiece should i bring?
I'd like to limit myself to 2
The Steinhart ocent GMT is on the list because the GMT function of the ETA 2893-2 will be useful even if not as elegant as a true GMT movement you can get on a Rolex GMT or a IWC ZTC and the Zenith is staying home because it's a family watch.
Not sure there is anything I don't like, it just hasn't fully "clicked" with me yet.
Those are OK, I guess. I mean, if you like that sort of super-high end, incredibly fabulous watch thing they have going on.
I think the real answer is you need a new watch.
GalacticSushiman
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Your pseudo is most definitely deserved. Your father's Lange is just an absolute perfection. And your VC is superb too. Congrats.
edit: Possible to post some wrist pics?
edit2: Pwack is right though, a bit of (not so) stealth brag
, but hey, I am into this high end stuff too If that means office work in a suit the day, and crazy drinks at night, I guess something a bit versatile like the Steinhart.
Beginning to end? From order placement to receiving the watch, a bit less than two months.
Placed my order late August 2012. They asked for some wrist measurements, and then informed me that it was ready for shipment in late September. The estimate on the website at that time was still 2-3 months. It took about a week to process the payment, and after shipping, got the watch in early October.
I don't know if that is normal or not though. I've read of some really long waits.
I think the real answer is you need a new watch.
loool
Looks like you could add a flieger.
Take the one that's worth the least and lock the others up.
MistakenMobius
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That was about the plan
I definetely planning to grab a HMT Flieger there
less than 15 EUR
ConradCervantes
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After ChopstickNinja's post at the top of the page I bit the bullet on my very own Seiko. Love it to pieces.
So, after talking with some folks who should know, the answer for US residents comes down to a question of state law. For example, Illinois requires that reisdents self-report a "use tax" for goods as part of their annual return where
- the items bought are taxable in Illinois,
- the items bought are used or consumed in Illinois, and
- when the items are purchased, you either did not pay any sales tax to the seller, or paid sales tax at less than Illinois’ Use Tax rates of 6.25 percent for general merchandise and 1 percent for food and drugs.
So, mileage may vary by state, but for many states, you would be obligated to self-report your purchase on your annual tax return and then pay a state tax rate; in Illinois's example, 6.25%, which is at least far less than VAT.