I have it, but haven't cracked it open yet. I need to figure out this whole deluxe edition thing for "The Hunters" 3rd printing to see if Silent Victory is going to get the same treatment or already has the improvements (I think it does).
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I have it, but haven't cracked it open yet. I need to figure out this whole deluxe edition thing for "The Hunters" 3rd printing to see if Silent Victory is going to get the same treatment or already has the improvements (I think it does).
ClayKavalier
Banned
I need some purchasing advice. I want to get The Resistance and I'm having trouble picking between the different versions. From what I can gather Avalon is the best deal, it costs roughly the same as the base game and comes with stuff from the base game's expansions. But I prefer the sci-fi theme to fantasy/ medieval and already own Coup so it'd be sort of neat to own the other game from the universe.
Basically my question is whether Avalon is that great a deal, or should I buy whichever one I like the theme of more? If I go with regular Resistance, how necessary are the expansions? At least one seems like it's just some modules that may or may not get used, probably not in my case since the group I'll be playing with aren't heavy gamers and simpler is better.
Also, is there anything else I should be considering? Coup is the only other betrayal/ bluffing game I've played. I'm looking at Resistance mainly because my friends really like Coup, but are the Werewolf games or anything else worth picking up instead?
Basically my question is whether Avalon is that great a deal, or should I buy whichever one I like the theme of more? If I go with regular Resistance, how necessary are the expansions? At least one seems like it's just some modules that may or may not get used, probably not in my case since the group I'll be playing with aren't heavy gamers and simpler is better.
Also, is there anything else I should be considering? Coup is the only other betrayal/ bluffing game I've played. I'm looking at Resistance mainly because my friends really like Coup, but are the Werewolf games or anything else worth picking up instead?
Affeinvasion
Member
The theme basically doesn't matter in either version of resistance. I own Avalon and the advantage there is that people already have a grasp of arthurian characters and their motivations which can help when teaching new people.
the resistance plays fine without any expansions but indeed does have a little less content than base avalon. With expansions resistance has everything avalon has and more. so it mostly would come down to cost vs theme and what not.
as for warewolf like games, I can't think any that i feel are better than resistance. Regular warewolf requires a lot of people to be good and even then has a lot of down time if you get out early. One night Warewolf I don't feel is a good game at all, it removes the downtime from regular warewolf but doesn't allow for enough time to really figure out people so you end up with a vague idea of like half the people and random guesses for the rest. It can be fun in short bursts here and there but only if you somewhat role play it and just goof around before accepting the end is basically a random guess. Bang was decent the one time I played it but I do't recall enough to make informed thoughts about that... the samurai spin off based off the bang system wasn't very good at all though.
toddhunter
Member
Nice. I'm pretty keen to get the game but would like that edition. Watch me get it for my birthday now :|
That was our reaction with Andean Abyss! It looks ridiculously complicated, but the turns flow quickly and the actions are (relatively) straightforward, and the systems all work together so well. Anyone capable of playing Twilight Struggle should be capable of playing COIN
Yeah absolutely. The only thing that I feel is a bit convoluted is the battle system in Liberty or Death, thankfully there is a great player aid for that aswell.
EYEL1NER
Member
I can't wait to play a COIN title. I've wanted to start off with A Distant Plain but it is usually pretty pricey anytime I see a copy pop up for sale anywhere. So I just keep an eye out for any of them to appear in GeekAuctions and if I can't get one anytime soon, I'll buy Iron Butterfly as soon as it releases. I started reading about People Power and the Marcos regime recently anyway since my wife's family keeps posting a bunch of stuff on FB about the upcoming Phils elections.
I don't imagine I really need a COIN title at this time though; I still have an unplayed copy of GMT's Labyrinth and want to find someone who has Twilight Struggle and wants to play it soon.
In other "EYEL1NER talking about buying new games but not mentioning that he has played any" news: That CSI Pitchcar sale... I mentioned a while back that I wanted to get the game. Everything but the Long Straights is on sale and would cost ~$200. It's tempting me pretty hard. I am pretty sure that I will bite the bullet before the day is over (and I will get the "It's All Your Fault" Smash Up expansion, despite my Smash Up partner being a couple thousand miles away at the job I just quit. I actually did play a lot of Smash Up, every new expansion, but I don't know when I will play it now that I have no one to play it with).
EDIT: Also, good to see that there is finally some info about a Robinson Crusoe GotY Edition.
I don't imagine I really need a COIN title at this time though; I still have an unplayed copy of GMT's Labyrinth and want to find someone who has Twilight Struggle and wants to play it soon.
In other "EYEL1NER talking about buying new games but not mentioning that he has played any" news: That CSI Pitchcar sale... I mentioned a while back that I wanted to get the game. Everything but the Long Straights is on sale and would cost ~$200. It's tempting me pretty hard. I am pretty sure that I will bite the bullet before the day is over (and I will get the "It's All Your Fault" Smash Up expansion, despite my Smash Up partner being a couple thousand miles away at the job I just quit. I actually did play a lot of Smash Up, every new expansion, but I don't know when I will play it now that I have no one to play it with).
EDIT: Also, good to see that there is finally some info about a Robinson Crusoe GotY Edition.
Ignacy is the nicest person, say hello to him when you see him at cons.
Anyone planning on getting Portal's new kid game My Happy Farm? looks fun
The ADP reprint is coming this year from GMT (along with Cuba Libre reprint and expansion)
AbsolutBro
Member
FYI, Miniature Market is having a March Markdown sale. Not a great selection of board games, but there are a few games in there I really like.
Edit: Sky Traders is a beautiful, fairly light game about trade and commerce with sky ships. Even my mother loved this one, and her attention span for games is fairly short.
World of Smog is pretty great.
Edit: Sky Traders is a beautiful, fairly light game about trade and commerce with sky ships. Even my mother loved this one, and her attention span for games is fairly short.
World of Smog is pretty great.
bonesmccoy
Banned
Finally found a new copy of the LotR LCG base set.
ADP's reprint I think is supposed to occur this month. Cuba Libre was supposed to be printed too, but apparently GMT didn't confirm that with the printer, and it waspushed back to actually slated for April.
I'd ordered ADP and was ready for it to be my first COIN game, but further reading suggested that Cuba Libre is the best entry point into the series, so I've got that ordered.
Any thoughts on Baseball 2045?
ADP's reprint I think is supposed to occur this month. Cuba Libre was supposed to be printed too, but apparently GMT didn't confirm that with the printer, and it was
I'd ordered ADP and was ready for it to be my first COIN game, but further reading suggested that Cuba Libre is the best entry point into the series, so I've got that ordered.
Any thoughts on Baseball 2045?
It was, until Falling Sky comes out next month. Having played it a couple times now, Falling Sky is going to be the new de facto new player title for the system, IMO.
bonesmccoy
Banned
Hmmm. I'd been waiting on that one after reading a quote - I think it was Ruhnke's - that suggested it was on the 'deep end' of the COIN series. I reckoned he meant it was going to be one of the more complex entries.
Purchased "Forbidden Island" and "Codenames" earlier. We had a short break with a friend recently and we took "Pandemic", "King Of Tokyo" & "Exploding Kittens" along. It was pretty successful and the board games provided great fun.
I've had my eye on FI for a while after hearing it's similar to Pandemic and I keep reading how much fun Codenames is so looking forward to both.
I've had my eye on FI for a while after hearing it's similar to Pandemic and I keep reading how much fun Codenames is so looking forward to both.
joeyjoejoeshabadoo
Member
The 2P one is Colonial Twilight about the French/Algerian war. Falling Sky is about the Gallic War. The recently released Liberty or Death seems like it would make a good two player experience, with one player taking the British and the Indians and the other plays the Patriots and French.
He was referring to Pendragon, which is the fall of Roman Britain game. Falling Sky is probably the most simple of them all, and has a map comparable to Cuba Libre's (about half the size). He and his son have also made some really smart streamlining to some of the commands and special activity procedures.
Fucking love that game, so smart.
You can adjust the game time, in fact I find the game works best if you extend the timer or turn it off completely.
I have seen a few people talk about this game as if it involves a lot of luck and guessing, but that hasn't been my experience at all. Perhaps it is the simple fact that I have played this game a million times with the right group, but I find that the metagame evolves to a point where it becomes extremely skill-based.
I also find that new players who start off as villagers are often far too quick to play honestly and claim their roles. If there is a troublemaker in the game then maybe they want to hold out a bit to ensure they are still a villager. If their loyalty can be verified by another player then perhaps they should lie and claim a different role so as to bait a werewolf into making an obvious false claim. There are endless tactics like this.
Ultimately, the game is about two teams constructing competing narratives about what happened during the night time. With both teams thinking on their feet and playing tactically, there are very few scenarios that turn into guesswork.
The one situation that I have found that devolves into a guessing game is the tanner. As fun as that role can be at first, too often the game ends with the team catching someone in an inconsistency. When the inconsistency is spotted, it just becomes a coin flip as to whether it was intentional or not. For this reason we no longer play with the tanner.
I really think that ONUW involves more logical deduction than even a game like Avalon, which relies more on picking up on social cues and acting.
I can confirm that Liberty or Death works really well with two.
On another note the new look of Through the Ages really has me intrigued. I allready own (and quiet enjoy) Nations. Tell me why I should go for TTA: A New story of civilization instead?
EYEL1NER
Member
Finally played some games rather than buying some. I played Click Clack Lumberjack (Toc Toc Woodman) and
Ubongo.
Click Clack Lumberjack didn't go over so well. My wife and daughter were striking the tower with the axes like they were really trying to chop down a tree and were knocking off multiple layers all at once, so the game ended quick. I had the most points with +6. I don't feel like they understood how delicate they were supposed to be.
Ubongo went over a lot better. My daughter and wife liked it a lot and I did as well. I won the game with 22 points. I liked the way it looked when I saw it posted in the BGG Hot Deals a couple weeks back and am glad I picked it up; I felt my daughter's problem-solving skills would benefit from it but some of the easy ones even stumped my wife and I. One round even had no winner after the second-chance round because no one could figure their cards out. I look forward to playing a four-player game or playing with the hard tiles. I have read a lot of complaints about the scoring system in older versions but the fixes the 2015 version made seem like they were a hit. We certainly didn't have any problems with the scoring system.
Ubongo.
Click Clack Lumberjack didn't go over so well. My wife and daughter were striking the tower with the axes like they were really trying to chop down a tree and were knocking off multiple layers all at once, so the game ended quick. I had the most points with +6. I don't feel like they understood how delicate they were supposed to be.
Ubongo went over a lot better. My daughter and wife liked it a lot and I did as well. I won the game with 22 points. I liked the way it looked when I saw it posted in the BGG Hot Deals a couple weeks back and am glad I picked it up; I felt my daughter's problem-solving skills would benefit from it but some of the easy ones even stumped my wife and I. One round even had no winner after the second-chance round because no one could figure their cards out. I look forward to playing a four-player game or playing with the hard tiles. I have read a lot of complaints about the scoring system in older versions but the fixes the 2015 version made seem like they were a hit. We certainly didn't have any problems with the scoring system.
I've not played Nations or the new TTA but the original TTA is a sublime CIV game where (most) everything has a beautiful elegance. It is tense without having so much direct conflict that folks can get angry with each other (one great asset of euro games IMHO). The new edition I hear simplifies the combat\military aspect, which was the most troublesome part of TTA so that is probably a good thing.
BomberMouse
Member
I love that game. Give it another try we usually play multiple times in a row to calibrate.
Question about Time Stories: I was pondering trying it with my wife and also with my normal gaming group. As much as I see people warn about spoilers, I'm wondering if that's possible. Do I need to avoid spoilers because the story is fun, or do I need to avoid them because playing the game a second time with a new group will mess up the experience as far as the challenge is concerned?
Honestly don't think story spoilers would really matter all that much (though it's kind of cheating since you'd know stuff you'd otherwise only learn through spending Time Units, but anything game-related would definitely compromise the experience. I don't think T.I.M.E Stories is a game that is remotely replaybale myself, but reasonable mind may differ. I think Pandemic Legacy is way more replayable myself as it's much less gimmicky and much less reliant on story (for better or worse).
EYEL1NER
Member
I'll maybe give it another shot tomorrow night at the earliest, def sometime within the next week. It seems like even if they had been playing more cautiously, it still would be a quick enough good some that we could play multiple times in a short amount of time.
That CSI spring sale ends on the 13th so I placed an order earlier. I bought every Pitchcar item sans the Long Straights (because those weren't on sale), the Smash Up: It's All Your Fault expansions, and an X-Wing Minis Starviper because I need some Autothrusters. Then I turned around and placed another order with the Warhammer Quest Adventure Card Game, Pitchcar Long Straights, and the thing I want most that comes out in just over two months: Potion Explosion.
I know someone else ITT was wanting Potion Explosion and had been checking for preorders; apparently they have been live on CSI for a few days now. It is a bit more than I expected (for some reason, not sure why I expected a lower price) but the components seem top-notch so I said "Sure" to it. Can't wait to play it...
The only replayablity to time stories is if you want to go for a speed run.
It's a game where spoilers will ruin everything (though if you just want a quick run down of the story that won't mess up much, but actual gameplay stuff would especially with what certain things do) and you can't play it again with another group as an active player (you could totally run it for a second group and laugh at them struggling at things though)
it's far more of an experience than a game.
Played two rounds of Cthulu Wars yesterday. First one with 6 Players (somehow we never seem to get seven people together) and the second one with for players on the primeval earth map. Managed to get second place with Crawling Chaos on the first round but lost spectacular with Opener of the Way in round two after I started out really good. But me and the guy who was also in the lead got brought down by an alliance of the other two players.
Primeval map is really fun though as it actually shifts the way the game is played, without overcomplicating things. A few weeks back we played the yuggoth map and we agreed that with the pyramid, the laboratory and the swamps there is just a little too much to keep track of, especially when you are playing with new people that are still trying to figure out all the possibilities the different fractions present.
I have yet to try the Dreamlands map and we also stayed away from the neutral Great Old One's again mostly due to the fact that every time we played we had some first time players and while the basic rules of the game are rather straight forward the asymetric nature makes it a lot more complex.
Still it is really fun and it looks just incredible
Primeval map is really fun though as it actually shifts the way the game is played, without overcomplicating things. A few weeks back we played the yuggoth map and we agreed that with the pyramid, the laboratory and the swamps there is just a little too much to keep track of, especially when you are playing with new people that are still trying to figure out all the possibilities the different fractions present.
I have yet to try the Dreamlands map and we also stayed away from the neutral Great Old One's again mostly due to the fact that every time we played we had some first time players and while the basic rules of the game are rather straight forward the asymetric nature makes it a lot more complex.
Still it is really fun and it looks just incredible
Played two rounds of Cthulu Wars yesterday. First one with 6 Players (somehow we never seem to get seven people together) and the second one with for players on the primeval earth map. Managed to get second place with Crawling Chaos on the first round but lost spectacular with Opener of the Way in round two after I started out really good. But me and the guy who was also in the lead got brought down by an alliance of the other two players.
Primeval map is really fun though as it actually shifts the way the game is played, without overcomplicating things. A few weeks back we played the yuggoth map and we agreed that with the pyramid, the laboratory and the swamps there is just a little too much to keep track of, especially when you are playing with new people that are still trying to figure out all the possibilities the different fractions present.
I have yet to try the Dreamlands map and we also stayed away from the neutral Great Old One's again mostly due to the fact that every time we played we had some first time players and while the basic rules of the game are rather straight forward the asymetric nature makes it a lot more complex.
Still it is really fun and it looks just incredible
I saw it in Essen last year and thought it was actually fun. Personally the price makes it a total no go for me. You could easily do a cheaper version of this game. Don#t care about cool looking figures if the result is such a price hike.
The price is a huge turn off for sure. I'm lucky to have a friend who is crazy enough to actually have bought and every single expansion there is. So I get to play it without going broke. I think the base game itself might actually be in the slightly affordable area by now, but yeah, for someone who doesn't really care for "miniatures" it is probably still too much. Maybe there'll be a reduced version of it some day with less expensive materials. Because the game certainly is more than just impressive looks.
joeyjoejoeshabadoo
Member
Just get Chaos in the Old World, they are practically the same game.
Blood Rage is worth a look in that genre too - it's definitely different to Chaos in that all players start off with an identical set of powers & grow over the game, as opposed to Chaos' assymetrical start.
It's also scarce as fuck, at least here in Canada.
I can get it here in Amazon.de, but 72.99 is too rich for my blood.
Buy 2 Get 1 Free Board Games at Target: http://www.target.com/c/board-games...031316_Toys_GamesB2G1_med_2&intc=3265564|null
Some prices are comparable to Amazon while others are not so much. Gonna sift through it all and see what I can get for in-store pick-up.
Some prices are comparable to Amazon while others are not so much. Gonna sift through it all and see what I can get for in-store pick-up.
Turns out playing the new TTA has made me never want to play nations again.
On a different note Liberty or Death is a thing of beauty. Such a complex game yet very elegant and straight forward to play. What makes it difficult will be learning how to pilot the different factions properly.
On a different note Liberty or Death is a thing of beauty. Such a complex game yet very elegant and straight forward to play. What makes it difficult will be learning how to pilot the different factions properly.
BattleMonkey
Member
So finally got to play Megacon's Recon. What a piece of crap in quality in general, and the rules are a repeat of the awful mess that was Myth. Seriously never give these people any of your kickstarter money, they haven't learned anything.
EuricaeriS
Member
Got a group of four together to play through the base T.I.M.E Stories game, and we had a blast with it So much so that after we finished Asylum
, we immediately went to the local game store to pick up The Marcy Case
As soon as I can get hold of A Prophecy of Dragons and Under the Mask, I think we'll get another play session going :3
As an aside, any recommendations for short 4-player filler games that we can use to 'cool down' between runs? We played a few rounds of Zombie Dice but I wouldn't mind something with more meat to it
So much so that after we finished Asylum
on our third run
Didn't do so well on that one, finished that one on our fourth attempt.
As soon as I can get hold of A Prophecy of Dragons and Under the Mask, I think we'll get another play session going :3
As an aside, any recommendations for short 4-player filler games that we can use to 'cool down' between runs? We played a few rounds of Zombie Dice but I wouldn't mind something with more meat to it
As an aside, any recommendations for short 4-player filler games that we can use to 'cool down' between runs? We played a few rounds of Zombie Dice but I wouldn't mind something with more meat to it
Love letter is cheap and is short and great for 4 players.
our group uses it as a cool down game all the time.
There's also a fun Batman version if anyone in the group likes Batman.
I know this isn't particularly the place for this but I'm cluttered up to the gills and need to get rid of some boxes. If anyone is interested in any of these I'll try to give you a decent price, shipped from VA. Everything is in pretty great shape.
Arkham Horror + Dunwich + Lurker at the Threshold + Plano storage.
LOTR LCG Core set x1
Zombie '15
Suburbia
CO2
Lords of Waterdeep
Trieste
Empires of the Void
Imperial Assault
Pathfinder ACG: Rise of the Runelords Core
Elysium
Machi Koro
Artificium
Ventura
PM me if interested.
Arkham Horror + Dunwich + Lurker at the Threshold + Plano storage.
LOTR LCG Core set x1
Zombie '15
Suburbia
CO2
Lords of Waterdeep
Trieste
Empires of the Void
Imperial Assault
Pathfinder ACG: Rise of the Runelords Core
Elysium
Machi Koro
Artificium
Ventura
PM me if interested.
Codenames requires/shines with at least six players. Kingdoms, Truro, and Carcassonne are tile-laying fillers that play well worth four. There are numerous classic card games (Bridge, Eucre, etc.) that also work great, as does Tichu or Slide 5/6 Nimt! or Money! or No Thanks! or For Sale or Hanabi.
I did not know such a game existed and thus just placed an order for the currently released Lost Legacy games (as well as some marvel legendary and sentinals mini expansions to get free shipping)
hopefully it is still fun as it seems to be a bit more complex than love letter which might not be a good thing. I'll know in a week or so
I did not know such a game existed and thus just placed an order for the currently released Lost Legacy games (as well as some marvel legendary and sentinals mini expansions to get free shipping)
hopefully it is still fun as it seems to be a bit more complex than love letter which might not be a good thing. I'll know in a week or so
It's not that complex, really. You could almost explain the entire game exactly the same way as Love Letter. The one extra layer of gameplay is welcome in a game as thin as the original.