HappyHunting
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Ah thanks will take a look at those. Forgot I had SmallWorld.
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Ah thanks will take a look at those. Forgot I had SmallWorld.
just a reminder the new game from the red dragon inn people will be ending soon, and it's closing in on the final stretch goal (that adds a new character to red dragon inn so hopefully it makes it)
Currently backing Santorini. Lavishly produced two player abstract game.
Ain't gonna lie the production values triggered me. Although in fairness there's a pretty decent game in there.
It's blowing through stretch goals like no ones business.
Geeknson contacted me today to announce the delivery estimate of a gaming table. Turns out its around International table top day. Whoot.
A bit extravagant if I'm honest with myself but a significant windfall has helped gain Wife approval.
Ain't gonna lie the production values triggered me. Although in fairness there's a pretty decent game in there.
It's blowing through stretch goals like no ones business.
Geeknson contacted me today to announce the delivery estimate of a gaming table. Turns out its around International table top day. Whoot.
A bit extravagant if I'm honest with myself but a significant windfall has helped gain Wife approval.
toddhunter
Member
I'm very tempted, it looks amazing.
Would be $100 to get it here though and I just don't think I can get that past the senate :| will have to wait and see if it goes further.
i've backed a few but not crazy. it's one of the only things I will crowd fund though as it's typically a complete product that just needs funding to print and thus easy to gauge if it will be worth my money and is low risk.
I feel the exact same way. Most board games on kickstarter seem to just need printing costs, much safer than video games and many other products on there.
No. I just buy it a few weeks later for 30% off through normal channels.
I do that for a number of games as well.
kickstarter exclusive things are the big things for me.
for some of the projects I back the kickstarter exclusive stuff nearly doubles the size of a game >.<;
BattleMonkey
Member
I haven't found much value in kickstarter exclusives. And most "exclusives" aren't exclusive anymore, most campaigns seem to have gone towards extras, but less to keeping them exclusive. Since you can't pick and choose what you want with these campaigns, you get alot of extra junk that really is not needed or worth it.
Reprints are good to Kickstart (even if you wind up overpaying at least the game will be good in most cases, and you can find honest reviews of the original, like for Carson City). Most Kickstarter-native stuff really feels second-rate to me in pretty much every aspect. The tough thing is it's hard to get critical analysis because feedback really does get clouded by hype and backers.
that is not how percents work >.>
a 100% discount would mean that the item was free.
over 100% discount means they paid you to back it
I am guessing you meant that you are trying to say that to buy it now it would cost over 100% more than you originally paid, which is more like a 50% discount.
but yes that was a good one to back if you did.
I majored in math, I couldn't resist correcting percents >.<;
If nothing else i find it a good way to find new games.
My favourite kickstarter backs have been
-Oddball Aeronauts
-Draco Magi
-Bright Future
-Regnum Angelica
They were all games i probably wouldn't have known about or picked up without Kickstarter and ended up enjoying a lot.
My favourite kickstarter backs have been
-Oddball Aeronauts
-Draco Magi
-Bright Future
-Regnum Angelica
They were all games i probably wouldn't have known about or picked up without Kickstarter and ended up enjoying a lot.
that is not how percents work >.>
a 100% discount would mean that the item was free.
over 100% discount means they paid you to back it
I am guessing you meant that you are trying to say that to buy it now it would cost over 100% more than you originally paid, which is more like a 50% discount.
but yes that was a good one to back if you did.
I majored in math, I couldn't resist correcting percents >.<;
Sorry, yes. I majored in liberal arts, so it's showing
It doesn't help that so many of the handful of prominent board game reviewers out there seem happy to do paid previews/pitches for the KS games.
Yeah, so much of the hype is manufactured you just can't really trust it. Whereas honestly if a game is getting a lot of hype out of a Con or something, I'll put much more credibility in that.
BattleMonkey
Member
I learn about kickstarter games, but wont buy em usually anymore. Rather wait and see if the game is good already. Wasted hundreds on games that were shit, and frankly seeing alot of kickstarters that are just sloppy. Focus for alot of games seems to be to get the components done, but actually testing the game and writing good rules? Nah, skip that.
I rather wait for the games to get released, see the reviews and impressions, and see if rules end up getting revised right away now, and end up usually saving a ton of money.
And only a handful of KS game exclusive components, ever become worth anything. After its hit retail and if its not a hit game, the value tanks on everything and you can pick up whole things on the cheap
Barsinister
Banned
Any thoughts on Kaosball by Cool Mini or Not? Has anyone here played it?
antiquegamer
Member
I agree with Monkey and AstroLad, past experience have shown me that majority of KS games are poorly tested, they are often late and even with CMON exclusive padded for KS version most are not worth getting. This year unless it's a well known designer or a remade of already proven games the game really going to have to offer something unique for me to back it.
It's quite infuriating that CMON is selling Zombicide Black plaque to retailers and KS backers have to wait until July.
It's quite infuriating that CMON is selling Zombicide Black plaque to retailers and KS backers have to wait until July.
Took a couple of hours yesterday but was well worth it, have put together now all the paper money in Millennium Blades and I must say, this is a really great idea.
Instead of the usual small paper slip money, you have these wads of cash that you bind together in bunches of 10 using a sticker. They feel absolutely lovely to hold and put down, making a satisfying little slapping sound when thrown on the table. Since they are thicker stacks of paper they have none of that flimsiness of usual paper money like in Monopoly.
I hope this inspires other companies for their games.
Instead of the usual small paper slip money, you have these wads of cash that you bind together in bunches of 10 using a sticker. They feel absolutely lovely to hold and put down, making a satisfying little slapping sound when thrown on the table. Since they are thicker stacks of paper they have none of that flimsiness of usual paper money like in Monopoly.
I hope this inspires other companies for their games.
toddhunter
Member
Finally got to play Quadropolis (classic version) with my partner. The consensus after? "hmm".
It was very short, taking only about 20 minutes for our first playthrough (which involved the usual rule checking). Most of the time seemed to be setting up the tiles for the next round before a minute or so to pick them.
The main issue seems to be lack of choices. While on your first piece you have a lot of choice, after that you really only have one or two tiles that make sense. With the final couple of choices you are generally left with a "whatever" pick up.
On the plus side, it obviously moves quickly, is easy to explain and the only thing we really looked up was why we had extra tiles left when we first tried to set up the board (it comes with an expansion that you might miss) and checking we were scoring right at the end.
I think we both enjoyed it, but were left with a "is that it?" kind of feeling. The hope at the moment is that it is one of those games that improves the more you play it, because you develop more in-depth strategies. But I'm not confident about this, because even if you have a good strategy, picking between a park and another park isn't exactly going to help.
So it is by no means bad, but the jury is still out. I might be tempted to say "better as an ios app", since that would at least speed up the tile placement.
It was very short, taking only about 20 minutes for our first playthrough (which involved the usual rule checking). Most of the time seemed to be setting up the tiles for the next round before a minute or so to pick them.
The main issue seems to be lack of choices. While on your first piece you have a lot of choice, after that you really only have one or two tiles that make sense. With the final couple of choices you are generally left with a "whatever" pick up.
On the plus side, it obviously moves quickly, is easy to explain and the only thing we really looked up was why we had extra tiles left when we first tried to set up the board (it comes with an expansion that you might miss) and checking we were scoring right at the end.
I think we both enjoyed it, but were left with a "is that it?" kind of feeling. The hope at the moment is that it is one of those games that improves the more you play it, because you develop more in-depth strategies. But I'm not confident about this, because even if you have a good strategy, picking between a park and another park isn't exactly going to help.
So it is by no means bad, but the jury is still out. I might be tempted to say "better as an ios app", since that would at least speed up the tile placement.
Valkyria
Banned
Hi everyone, I was wondering which games are the ones in OP pictures, just the "Join forces to save the world" "explore the world one tile at a time", the rest more or less are known to me.
Also more recommendations like those would be cool. We enjoy our time with Arkham Horror that it's similar to the join forces category.
Also more recommendations like those would be cool. We enjoy our time with Arkham Horror that it's similar to the join forces category.
joeyjoejoeshabadoo
Member
"Join forces" is Pandemic and "Explore the world" is Expedition: Northwest Passage.
Valkyria
Banned
Thanks!
I only played Nippon once but I enjoyed it. It felt faster paced than it looked. And with the ability to set your own scoring multipliers it was pretty cool that you could dictate your own path to victory.
Finally played a full solo game of Zombicide:BP last night and had a blast! It was so easy to keep track of everything with the new trackers and the box that holds the trays for the miniatures. I don't think I have ever had less downtime for a game with that much stuff going on. Really looking forward to playing the rest of the scenarios and then getting the expansion when it hits retail.
EYEL1NER
Member
I backed the full English version of Zombie Tower 3D recently and was just notified that I won a free copy of the Japanese/English release! I never win anything (except games of Smash Up, but what I mean is I never win raffles or prizes)! I look forward to giving it a try.
The AMA price increase went into effect today and I have to say, seeing that increased price of X-Wing minis on CSI makes them a lot harder to add as an impulse purchase to bump me up to free shipping. I only looked at small ships too, I shudder to think what the price of the large or epic ships is now. And Privateer Press just announced that they are looking to do the same thing because they are tired of OLGS (Miniature Market and ChaosOrc, pretty much, since CSI doesn't deal in WarmaHordes) selling their stuff below MSRP. smh...
The AMA price increase went into effect today and I have to say, seeing that increased price of X-Wing minis on CSI makes them a lot harder to add as an impulse purchase to bump me up to free shipping. I only looked at small ships too, I shudder to think what the price of the large or epic ships is now. And Privateer Press just announced that they are looking to do the same thing because they are tired of OLGS (Miniature Market and ChaosOrc, pretty much, since CSI doesn't deal in WarmaHordes) selling their stuff below MSRP. smh...
Yeah, it's affecting a few online retailers for warmahordes already. I tended to buy 90% of my stuff at my store anyway, but it will make it hard for new players.
Dang, I hadn't followed the saga recently and didn't realize FFG had actually gone through with it. I remember all the apologists shitting up the threads saying it wouldn't affect CSI and big online retailers. As usual they were wrong I guess.
I'm actually kind of down on FFG a bit this year -- kind of done with Netrunner and most of their catalog is just to fantasy/sci-fi hardcore for me at this point so it doesn't hit me too hard. I'll still buy games of theirs that really appeal to me, but don't see too much on the horizon. Will be unfortunate if it spreads to others though and the price for games in general gets a big bump. For all their whinging, I really don't think publishers realize just how much they owe to OLGS in terms of re-energizing the hobby.
I'm actually kind of down on FFG a bit this year -- kind of done with Netrunner and most of their catalog is just to fantasy/sci-fi hardcore for me at this point so it doesn't hit me too hard. I'll still buy games of theirs that really appeal to me, but don't see too much on the horizon. Will be unfortunate if it spreads to others though and the price for games in general gets a big bump. For all their whinging, I really don't think publishers realize just how much they owe to OLGS in terms of re-energizing the hobby.
Affeinvasion
Member
Has this ever worked in any other industry? I know this is probably an unpopular opinion, but most FLGS are kinda gross and don't really deserve to be propped up by the big board game companies.
I completely understand this decision from a tournament game perspective given that they take place in store, but for the board gaming crowd, it's a shitty deal. I don't want to play my board games at the store; I want to play them at home.
Wizkids did this already with Heroclix and Dicemasters and frankly I haven't bought any since. The price is just too high and I don't make it out my local game store very often because the people there suck and the service is terrible.
I completely understand this decision from a tournament game perspective given that they take place in store, but for the board gaming crowd, it's a shitty deal. I don't want to play my board games at the store; I want to play them at home.
Wizkids did this already with Heroclix and Dicemasters and frankly I haven't bought any since. The price is just too high and I don't make it out my local game store very often because the people there suck and the service is terrible.
EYEL1NER
Member
I've bought a couple Warmachine figures at stores before because the prices aren't at GW-levels of rediculouness in a FLGS. The bulk of it has been bought from MM, ChaosOrc, and eBay though. It looks like my favorite of my four WarmaHordes faction, Retribution, all seem to be about the same price on ChaosOrc but I think what I read on BGG and BoLS said that the new policies would go into effect on the 4th of the month.
I wonder how it will really impact some sites though. I mean, GW product isn't supposed to be listed and advertised on a lot of sites and my favorite site still sells a ton (or I hope he is actually selling a ton of it) of 40K stuff at OLGS prices. Obviously MM might take a hit or have to cut some kind of deal, but as long as Chaos Orc can keep doing his thing, I'll be happy.
It honestly feels like total pretext to me. Jack up prices for board games for OLGS to "save" FLGS...how gullible do you have to be to believe that's even in the top 10 for motivations? Nice FLGS are extremely rare -- we actually do have a couple down here in the South Bay (Game Kastle) but even with a nice one that's me taking out hours of time to go buy a game in a store rather than spending it with my family. So I'm never going to do that, and the only reason I went to FLGS before was to play in Netrunner tournaments.
No doubt Asmodee is trying to put the screws to people to extract more profits. Honestly if they had just been somewhat honest about it and jacked up all their prices I probably wouldn't have noticed, but this whole pretense of saving gaming really shows disdain for the intelligence and savviness of their consumers, so I've found it distasteful from the start.
Yeah, I doubt Privateer Press will ever be as bad as GW, but it is still worse than it was a few days ago. My fear is it raises the barrier to entry so we'll get less new players.
C'mon, Astrolad. The initial announcement/coverage made it sound like CSI/MM were part of their excluded 'online retailers'; it was the in-depth interviews & the additional releases that made it clear they were gunning for CSI/MM.
It's not just FFG - Asmodee games are up in price too, being part of the group.
Honestly, it's been a while since I've bought a FFG game, CMON's covering much the area they used to.
toddhunter
Member
The prices seem pretty nuts to me. They'll try it with a few titles, it'll fail miserably and we'll be back to business as usual before very long.
As above, board games are actually quite narrow in what you can and can't do. You'll be able to get pretty much the same experience from a lot of other companies. If they can charge more and people still line up? Well they kind of should I suppose.
As above, board games are actually quite narrow in what you can and can't do. You'll be able to get pretty much the same experience from a lot of other companies. If they can charge more and people still line up? Well they kind of should I suppose.
Yeah sorry to be clear, I meant those that after it was clear what was happening. No surprise that the 'overreaction much?' crowd has morphed into 'lol u mad.' Never was any substance to their positions.
antiquegamer
Member
Well I think the entire reason for this is really because of people like you that play LCG. They take the same route as Hasbro, Game workshop etc to protect the tournament style game. FFG bread and butter is now the organized play games like Xwing and their gamut of LCG. The only way to keep these type of game viable is the constant in store tournament and game night and to get the actual store to do this type of events they have to have incentive to host game. If a player coming in just to win prizes and buy everything online what is the benefits for these local game store to host these games. I find it funny that you complain about them supporting FLGS and in same sentence you admit to be using the FLGS as a venue to play their game.
Now that said, don't get me wrong I think the whole thing is pretty much price fixing and board games where there is really not much tournament scene get lump into this prisce protection and price fixing scheme is really terrible. However it is the games like Netrunner and Xwing miniatures that FFG is trying to protect. If Hasbro and Wiz kids been doing it for years and and are still viable, I can see why FFG feel this is the course they have to take.
The other thing is FFG's LCG and fix box miniatures booster pack is not the same as Wiz kids and Hasbro Magic with rarity that encourage addict to buy cases of them. This consumer friendly approach to collectible game is now hurting them because the store have less ability to make profit by open cases of these products and sell individual piece at mark up prices.
FFG/Asmodee want to drive people into using their webstore as well, there was no reason to use it before hand. Otoh I don't think they mind stuff selling for less than retail at big box stores like B&N (and you get get stuff really cheap there with a membership)/Target as the visibility's worth it, but the only people who are going to use csi, mm are already gaming enthusiasts.
antiquegamer
Member
I doubt that is the reason, they are game publisher and they stand to sell more games at other outlets than trying to shut out competitor to promote their tiny online store. I think they are really trying to protect the tournament games more so then their board games.
There is no real one reason imho, just a lot of small reasons that add up. They're also not trying to shut out other vendors from having their webstores, but they need to justify its existence as well.
Correct.
Also don't forget that it's not a price cut for FLGS, just an increase for OLGS. So yeah by Asmodee logic people having to pay a few bucks more on games at CSI is going to save FLGS. The whole traditional FLGS model is totally broken -- they need to have a totally new angle to thrive in the long term. Just being used as a convenient excuse to divert attention from trying to capture even more profits back from OLGS.
But w/e I really don't care that much, just find the intellectual dishonesty a bit silly.
edit: meant FLGS model is broken, not OLGS
So many acronyms, I feel like I'm working for the government.
Just in case archeologists from the future come along and dig up the internet:
FLGS = Friendly Local Game Store
OLGS = (Possibly Friendly) Local Game Stores that are also Online Game Stores
CSI = CoolStuffInc, board game company
From the previous page:
LCG = Living Card Game (more stuff gets added after initial release)
FFG = Fantasy Flight Games, a game company
MM = Miniature Market, a game website
CMON = Cool Mini Or Not, game publisher / distributor
I just watched the Dice Tower interview with Anton Torres.
SPIN LEVEL: MASTER
What a crock of shit.
Edit: I just can't wrap my fucking mind around this. Its no secret I buy as cheap as possible. I have one shitty local store that focuses mainly on Magic and MIGHT have the most recent or two Netrunner packs, and that's fucking it as far as FFG stuff goes. Even after this change, the fucking packs are still going to be MSRP there. So I'm still not going to buy them there. Who do they think they're fooling?
SPIN LEVEL: MASTER
What a crock of shit.
Edit: I just can't wrap my fucking mind around this. Its no secret I buy as cheap as possible. I have one shitty local store that focuses mainly on Magic and MIGHT have the most recent or two Netrunner packs, and that's fucking it as far as FFG stuff goes. Even after this change, the fucking packs are still going to be MSRP there. So I'm still not going to buy them there. Who do they think they're fooling?