And who has been fucking up the most?
New clip presents the superhero registration debate in Captain America: Civil War
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And who has been fucking up the most?
QuantumZebra
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Scarlet Witch > Tony's whole squad
We are all playing along because it's fun, but yeah, it's kind of the point.
LegendofLex
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The team collectively.
That's fair, but the registration is essentially the entire premise of the selling point, pretty much the first thing you will hear (and the first thing the first trailer mentions) when looking up the movie, it's the reason why Tony and Steve fight, that and the Bucky issues. I get the point, my point is that this is not a spoiler and thus the thread title is fine.
exmachina64
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Personal responsibility, man. Do you really need more government in your life?
Captin Quacker
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speaking of the world security council aren't they just another version of the U.N. to some degree?
Primethius
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Not really. The entire second Avengers movie was Tony being Tony. Aka a dick.
Atleast Cap exposed Hydra.
Stark, easily.
I'd like to think that Tony has realized how close he came to ending all human life by fucking around in the last movie, and that's why he has frightened himself into being on the pro-registration side.
Bobby Roberts
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The film being about superhero registration isn't a spoiler.
They were more of a military branch running a spy network all over the world. I don't think they had quite the same goals.
exmachina64
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It's basically a movie version of the U.N. Security Council they created so they wouldn't have to say the U.N. was corrupted by Hydra. Avoid the whole "this is why we don't need government" reactions by conservatives.
PaulExcellent
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#teampaulrudd
They've always been criminals breh. Why should that change now? 'Cause a city floated and was destroyed? (With no one on it). Or when they repelled AN INVASION FROM OUTER SPACE?Exactly, that politicians have agendas does not invalidate that all of these guys operate above the law.
I don't doubt Cap's motivations to be sincere, but "the ends justify the means" is not good enough. You still would have the right to choose bro, what you are doing is choosing to break the law. If in the end you did it "for the greater good" it will be taken into consideration when your actions are judged, but that still means you accepted the responsibility beforehand to handwaive the laws of the land to do it.
Right now you are not.
#TeamIronMan fuckers
Nah breh. #Team Captain America forever.
Thugs with FREEDOM to choose.
Correct.
Not even close, as a matter of fact TOny has been the artichtet of fucking up since jump. Iron Monger(pick up your trash), The convention robots(once again pick up your trash), Ironman 3 could have been avoided if TOny had decided to nice for 10 seconds and listen to dude.
Captin Quacker
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BenjaminBirdie
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THIS FOREVER
Sephiroth503
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He did have Wanda push him to finalising Ultron to be fair. We also have Cap not willing to make the call about bringing Sokovia to the ground in the climax until Fury and Co arrived. Both Stark and Thor put their lives on the line in the final moments.
#TeamIronMan
LegendofLex
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You're looking at it from the perspective of "which isolated incidents were worst?"
It's still true that the way the entire team operate is ripe with collateral damage by design, and that Tony isn't the only one causing those kinds of problems.
The WSC? Governments from around the world most likely. I'm not sure we were ever told.
Government does serve as a deterrent for abuse. Can you imagine how much things would be if there was zero governmental oversight? People could do whatever without repercussion. Government for all it's ineffectiveness in certain areas, does serve as a means to maintain order.
Well next time they should tell Thanos to rip a hole in time and space over a less populated area.
Essentially. People are bringing their silly comic bias to the movie.
Linkstrikesback
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Thanks to dumb luck, the previous oversight committee (i.e. shield) actually still existing, and the intervention of a god from another world twice (Thor, when he stopped steve being wrong about creating the vision, and then again later when he actually provided the power to stop sokovia crashing in to the planet killing everyone).
Multiple times now steve has been either completely wrong (Vision) or entirely useless in stopping a rampaging super (needed tony and his hulkbuster when the Hulk was driven mad by Witches magic, he couldn't stop Loki on his own in the avengers, for a start).
Captain America doesn't provide all the answers, and his decisions can even be wrong, putting people in danger, but he himself doesn't really seem to see or acknowledge that possibility, at least, not with a way to deal with it. At least tony eventually turned around as of this film. Steve, at least from we've been shown, is currently defending a man who murdered a lot of people, because he was a bro back around the war.. Very few would get the same treatment from him.
Neither side is completely wrong here, but sure as heck neither is right either.
Captin Quacker
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that's what I'm thinking so the U.N. being so different from the WSC is kinda crazy
itwasTuesday
He wasn't alone.
And what happens when the wrong person gets a controlling seat in that government?
Obviously it will be explained in the movie but I thought it was registration process to remove anonymity? That can be mishandled and twisted for nefarious purposes of course, but the way Cap is talking about it, he makes it seem like it was an inhibitor chip or some other kill switch safeguard.
BronsonLee
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you do realize that Shield is the government and also Hydra at the same time right?
That's what makes the premise interesting.
The book went out of its way to paint Tony as the villain. I don't see that here, and actually see some character development in Tony the way he thinks they need to be held accountable.
These clips are making me excite.
Well if the last CA movie was shittalking the US' system of national security (NSA and such), then I can't imagine this one will do that, either.
Ultimatum is garbage compared to those things. It's mean-spirited and reads like the fan fiction of an angst-ridden teenager filtered through the purview of Michael Bay.
Sales of the Ultimate line of comics plummeted after it came out and didn't recover. This is why Marvel decided to absorb the better parts of the Ultimate universe into the 616 universe with Secret Wars. So Ultimatum basically killed the Ultimate universe.
It deserves all of the excoriation it's gotten since its release.
peanutbutterlatte
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Version 3.0
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I didn't know registration was a thing in the film. Can we maybe not have threads with spoilers in the title? I haven't watched any trailers and want to know as little as possible, since I already know I want to see the movie.
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The funny thing about the whole Ultron thing is that it makes a lot of sense for Stark to have tried to create Ultron before (he previously ditched the idea, but then gets "incepted" by Scarlet into doing it again) He has previously created AIs that are helpful to him and haven't gone haywire (Jarvis)
The moment Ultron is shown to have been a complete mistake (literally the first time they all see him at the party) he tries to stop him. The huge mistake and lack of judgement that Tony makes comes from when he tries to create Vision. After the whole Ultron deal he should have known it was just a bad idea, and everyone was in the right trying to stop him on that scene. The funny thing is that despite him being wrong, and everyone else being in the right, by a twist of fate it turns out that creating Vision was the right thing to do after all, but there's no way any of them could have known that if it weren't for Thor. It's funny in a way.
I hope the conflict on Civil War about the registration is similar to this in a "there's more than one way to look at the whole picture" kind of thing.
The moment Ultron is shown to have been a complete mistake (literally the first time they all see him at the party) he tries to stop him. The huge mistake and lack of judgement that Tony makes comes from when he tries to create Vision. After the whole Ultron deal he should have known it was just a bad idea, and everyone was in the right trying to stop him on that scene. The funny thing is that despite him being wrong, and everyone else being in the right, by a twist of fate it turns out that creating Vision was the right thing to do after all, but there's no way any of them could have known that if it weren't for Thor. It's funny in a way.
I hope the conflict on Civil War about the registration is similar to this in a "there's more than one way to look at the whole picture" kind of thing.
Inferno313
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Yeah I do realize that which is why my suggestion was not just one nation have that power. A coalition of nations. I'm just saying no one should have absolute freedom and power to do whatever with little of no repercussions. The hope is that the elected officials in a coalition are still answerable to the people even though I know that is never perfect, in my eyes it's better than the alternative.
Good point. The Russo bros haven't let me down yet, that's for sure.
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LOL - haven't seen that one before!
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