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New gaming monitors at CES2017 (VA, IPS, TN, 240 Hz, etc.)
- Thread starter Durante
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TVs have had 120Hz panels for years now (sure you can't actually set them at that refresh rate but stil...)
Better processing, PQ...
I get that you get gsync, actual 144Hz, lower input lag and all but it's not worth the asking price to me, it's still a freaking 27" IPS monitor
Edit: to be fair, I find most gamer monitors horribly overpriced
To think that some people pay upwards of $600 for a 1440p 27" TN (!!) GSync monitor
I'd rather get a 32" VA 1440p 60Hz AOC q3277pqu or Philips BDM3270qp
I guess that just proves I'm not the target
Better processing, PQ...
I get that you get gsync, actual 144Hz, lower input lag and all but it's not worth the asking price to me, it's still a freaking 27" IPS monitor
Edit: to be fair, I find most gamer monitors horribly overpriced
To think that some people pay upwards of $600 for a 1440p 27" TN (!!) GSync monitor
I'd rather get a 32" VA 1440p 60Hz AOC q3277pqu or Philips BDM3270qp
I guess that just proves I'm not the target
Yeah, monitor prices have gotten out of hand.
The problem with these ultra high end monitors is that only ultra high-end gear can actually drive them. Even SLI 1080 won't manage to properly drive that at 4K 144Hz for the vast majority of games. So people that can afford to drop that much on gear can probably drop that much on monitors as well.
Canadian prices are absolutely ludicrous. Even the old PG279Q is $1K here. I can't in good conscience buy a monitor at that price point when I can get a 60" 4K HDR TV for the same price.
I'm sticking with my VG248QE w/ G-Sync module for a while longer I guess.
The problem with these ultra high end monitors is that only ultra high-end gear can actually drive them. Even SLI 1080 won't manage to properly drive that at 4K 144Hz for the vast majority of games. So people that can afford to drop that much on gear can probably drop that much on monitors as well.
Canadian prices are absolutely ludicrous. Even the old PG279Q is $1K here. I can't in good conscience buy a monitor at that price point when I can get a 60" 4K HDR TV for the same price.
I'm sticking with my VG248QE w/ G-Sync module for a while longer I guess.
For the monitor use case, more processing is worse, not better. If there's some processing to be done, the PC can do that better, in a more controlled and customizable fashion, and with lower latency.
I'd wait for reviews on that, there's nothing stopping this monitor from competing really well in terms of IQ with most (non-OLED) TVs.
We just talked about that on the previous page. It's not like you need to drive every game at 144 FPS to greatly benefit from G-sync with up to 144 Hz.
You don't, but I'd set my personal minimum at 90fps. Having played at high framerates for about 4-5 years now, I just can't go back to anywhere near 60fps. My 1070 can't even come close to driving that display at a performance I'd be happy with.
I really wish NVidia came up with proper upscaling/downscaling techniques. It's really sad when the PS4 Pro can output significantly better IQ to my 1080P TV with 1800p checkerboarding than my PC can with 4K downsampling. With decent upscaling, we could at least drive the 4K monitor with lower resolutions to compromise on performance. But upscaling has never really been a viable option on PC.
Lostconfused
Member
Yep.
I also can't imagine the prices on these monitors coming down that much as features and standards keep improving.
I'm sorry, that's bullshit. DSR offers high-quality downsampling.
It's worth noting that Acer will also have a G-SYNC HDR monitor using the same panel, which we created with AUO: http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/articles/nvidia-g-sync-hdr-announced-at-ces-2017
Maybe I'm doing it wrong. Maybe my smoothness factor is off...but I always manage to end up with pretty noticeable artifacting or blurriness when downsampling 1440p to 1080p.
Your post said 4k downsampling. That is just wrong, any way you slice it.
With 1440p there's at least some room for discussion.
I wonder why the Asus has these super ugly fat bezels and the Acer has far slimmer ones. They are worse than the ones on my current XB270hu even. Both are very competitive in the "fugly gam0r stand" area tho
Thats cheaper than I was expecting. On value proposition, does any tv have that many local zones? The vizio P has the best blacks available for LCD right now and it has 128 zones over 50"+ inches. This is triple that at half the size, that density is pretty crazy.
I just hope the panel tech itself doesnt screw this thing over because it has the makings to be something amazing.
Im definitely interested if it can make good on those promises.
I just hope the panel tech itself doesnt screw this thing over because it has the makings to be something amazing.
Im definitely interested if it can make good on those promises.
Dave_6
Member
The specs on that monitor are amazing but it's ugly as sin. My PC doesn't have the juice to run anything on it anyways. Maybe one day!
I have been looking at this one though: http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell...6dg/apd/210-agjr/monitors-monitor-accessories
Is it a decent one? I like the simple look of it too.
I have been looking at this one though: http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell...6dg/apd/210-agjr/monitors-monitor-accessories
Is it a decent one? I like the simple look of it too.
nootropical
Neo Member
Bought the Dell a week or so ago after obsessive deliberation. As far as I know, you can't get better at that pricepoint. Takes only a few seconds of fiddling with the settings. It's not at all kitschy.
Spartancarver
Member
This is the one I have. Incredible monitor, worth every penny. The average uninformed poster likes to poo poo about it being a TN panel. After a quick color calibration, the color rivals that of an IPS, with a fast response time and none of that IPS-lottery backlight bleed BS.
Wow, no more big red feet on it!
Pop that Predator logo off, and that looks like something I could sit on my desk.
Similar MSRP to the ASUS?
I have one of those and it's great. Slightly worse color that an IPS but better than most TNs
Speed/response when gaming is stellar, though. No IPS can compete in that regard, even these 2017 models.
Dreams-Visions
Member
Interesting. I assume not the same Quantum Dot tech Samsung uses? That looks really great on their TVs.
I'm an informed poster and I'll still poo poo about it being a TN panel
Even if your colors are perfect in the center they won't be towards the sides or top/bottom. That's just the nature of the technology.
Tenacious-D
Member
Any chance we will see 1080p or even 1440p resolutions with HDR? I have no interest in 4K yet, but HDR is legit when used correctly.
A 1080p 144hz Ultra-Wide with Freesync & HDR is the dream.
A 1080p 144hz Ultra-Wide with Freesync & HDR is the dream.
Dreams-Visions
Member
Q3 = wait for holiday deals.
I have this. It's fantastic, as most Dell premium monitors are.
This is a good monitor and the Gsync performance is excellent.
BUT the colors are exactly what you get in any TN panel; washed out when compared to an IPS display. This is no exception. I sent it back in favor of the 60Hz 34" ultrawide screen.
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
$1200 isn't bad at all. I might get one just cuz... though I'm still not quite sold on the idea of a 4k monitor at this point in time.
HarryDemeanor
Member
Those 4k monitors.
Looks like daddy is saving paychecks now.
Looks like daddy is saving paychecks now.
Spartancarver
Member
I'm an informed poster and I'll still poo poo about it being a TN panel
Even if your colors are perfect in the center they won't be towards the sides or top/bottom. That's just the nature of the technology.
Haha, fair. I haven't encountered any issues with gamma shift in game or during desktop usage outside of some slight shift on the white layout for GAF.
Well worth the response time and 0 backlight bleed IMO
Any chance of these panels coming in 1440p flavors some time down the line? Seems to be the sweet spot for my 1070. I do love my Dell GSync but these look delicious.
Dreams-Visions
Member
That's a pretty big "only" if you're used to or want a bigger screen tho. Giving up several inches of real estate is not a trivial matter.
My biggest issue is that none of the UW have HDR right? :3
Feels kinda waste to not purchase HDR and spend a lot of money on a monitor but I reeaaaaallly want ultra wide :3
Welp 4K had a good run, Dell's 8K monitor laughs at your dual GTX 1080s: http://www.theverge.com/2017/1/5/14098224/dell-up3218k-8k-computer-monitor-price-features-ces-2017. Only $5000.
Dreams-Visions
Member
my lord.
I can't wait for the 8K future. 4K to me is like 720p; it's cool but it's ultimately a pitstop on the way to 8K.
A couple more years...
Without the right screen tech, HDR doesn't mean anything anyway. Considering HDR is a new and unproven thing in the PC space with little to no game support, it should hardly be anyone's "biggest issue".
Yep, my monitor replacement finally arrived, what a pity i will have to wait for GPUs to catch up ;/ Bring it up Volta, i need you ;p
Dave_6
Member
Thanks all! My current PC specs can't do 1440p/144hz but I'm about to upgrade to a 1080/1080ti and Kaby Lake so it will be able to then. I just like the design of it and the specs are more like what I want. I've still thought about getting one of the 21:9 1440p monitors too though.
TN doesn't bother me, but I've been using a VG248QE for over two years now so I'm used to it.
Durante, why no Asus ProArt PA32U goodness in the OP?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzazvYy9eD0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzazvYy9eD0
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Deleted member 245925
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That's not really a gaming monitor. Can't find specific info on it, but I don't think it has more than 60 Hz. Also no Gsync/Freesync.
ethomaz
Banned
HDMI 2.1 didn't do nothing... it only travel the data between GPU and monitor... in case it can travel variable refresh rate.
Both GPU and monitor needs to support the feature like G-Sync or Freesync.
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Deleted member 245925
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It's $1199.